Dont Siege Keeps During Prime Time On Azuras

sabresandiego_ESO

Today I noticed there was a lot less lag on Azuras for a period of time during primetime. I took a look at the map and noticed that no keeps on the entire map were under siege. About 30 minutes later, azuras was unplayable lag as usual, and I looked on the map again and 2 keeps were marked as being sieged.

If you want playable pvp during prime time hours, be respectful and do not siege any keeps.

Raizin

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

Today I noticed there was a lot less lag on Azuras for a period of time during primetime. I took a look at the map and noticed that no keeps on the entire map were under siege. About 30 minutes later, azuras was unplayable lag as usual, and I looked on the map again and 2 keeps were marked as being sieged.

If you want playable pvp during prime time hours, be respectful and do not siege any keeps.

Nice idea, but it wont ever happen... and the siege is not to blame, not directly... as u did and looked at the map - so did other 150 ppl and they all moved to one place = thats the reason of lag.

sabresandiego_ESO

The lag has something to do with keeps and siege weapons. Zergs contribute immensely, but when these same zergs fight away from keeps and without using siege weapons the lag is noticeably improved.

Levo18

And how are you supposed to take keeps? With a battering ram while getting oiled from above?

WRX

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

The lag has something to do with keeps and siege weapons. Zergs contribute immensely, but when these same zergs fight away from keeps and without using siege weapons the lag is noticeably improved.

It might just be me, but I have noticed a lot more lag around anything that has a tick.

Mentioned this 8 or so months ago.

Teargrants

WRX wrote: »

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

The lag has something to do with keeps and siege weapons. Zergs contribute immensely, but when these same zergs fight away from keeps and without using siege weapons the lag is noticeably improved.

It might just be me, but I have noticed a lot more lag around anything that has a tick.

Mentioned this 8 or so months ago.

Bridge farm FTW.

Karamis_Vimardon

Teargrants wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

The lag has something to do with keeps and siege weapons. Zergs contribute immensely, but when these same zergs fight away from keeps and without using siege weapons the lag is noticeably improved.

It might just be me, but I have noticed a lot more lag around anything that has a tick.

Mentioned this 8 or so months ago.

Bridge farm FTW.

Can I come play?

Lava_Croft

If you really wanna be respectful, don't log in during prime time.

frozywozy

This thread is ridiculous. Keeps themselves and tick ranges have nothing to do with the latency itself. It is just pure logical that people work toward objectives *cough keeps* which will obviously bring more latency issues if more people merge into the same area because there are more chances to see players exchanging damage / heal to each other.

WRX

frozywozy wrote: »

This thread is ridiculous. Keeps themselves and tick ranges have nothing to do with the latency itself. It is just pure logical that people work toward objectives *cough keeps* which will obviously bring more latency issues if more people merge into the same area because there are more chances to see players exchanging damage / heal to each other.

I am going to have to disagree with you here.

Not saying it is the cause or it isn't, but there are a lot more things going on server side around a keep.

The same fights I used to have at keeps that caused massive lag would be playable away from the keep.

Not to mention, say a random guild whom we will call KPN, has 100 dudes in nikel. Everything is all fine and dandy, but the moment you come within the tick range of nikel you get hit by a large fps drop and obvious latency issues before you ever see the other players. Same idea with keep sieges, you can telling roughly how many people are there just by your latency even though they aren't fighting and no one is in sight. Just an observation.

Winnamine

WRX wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

This thread is ridiculous. Keeps themselves and tick ranges have nothing to do with the latency itself. It is just pure logical that people work toward objectives *cough keeps* which will obviously bring more latency issues if more people merge into the same area because there are more chances to see players exchanging damage / heal to each other.

I am going to have to disagree with you here.

Not saying it is the cause or it isn't, but there are a lot more things going on server side around a keep.

The same fights I used to have at keeps that caused massive lag would be playable away from the keep.

Not to mention, say a random guild whom we will call KPN, has 100 dudes in nikel. Everything is all fine and dandy, but the moment you come within the tick range of nikel you get hit by a large fps drop and obvious latency issues before you ever see the other players. Same idea with keep sieges, you can telling roughly how many people are there just by your latency even though they aren't fighting and no one is in sight. Just an observation.

"100 dudes"
wtb Deci raids

sabresandiego_ESO

WRX is absolutely correct here and I have to disagree with frozywozy. The same "zerg sized battles" when fought away from keeps are for some reason less laggy (assuming no other keep battles are going on at the same time). There was almost never "unplayable lag" in Imperial City even when zergs were there like there is in Cyrodil. It did get bad sometimes, but nothing like Cyro lag.

frozywozy

Of course the D/O tick system brings more calculations into the server and it makes sense that it would tend to create more lag issues. What is ridiculous is the OP of this thread asking people to not fight near keeps during primetime. I loled

Robbmrp

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

Today I noticed there was a lot less lag on Azuras for a period of time during primetime. I took a look at the map and noticed that no keeps on the entire map were under siege. About 30 minutes later, azuras was unplayable lag as usual, and I looked on the map again and 2 keeps were marked as being sieged.

If you want playable pvp during prime time hours, be respectful and do not siege any keeps.

@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, @ZOS_RichLambert, @ZOS_BrianWheeler

This is seriously how bad the lag is affecting PVP lately. People are now suggesting NO SIEGE WEAPONS....

Originally it was "Make smaller groups" in the game DESIGNED for large scale battles....

What's next to stop the lag? Don't queue up???? If no one queue's up, there will be no lag.... With the way things keep going and nothing helping the lag, it really won't be long before that's a reality.....

Fruitdog

So to clarify keeps and outposts are ERP only zones during primetime hours.

_Chaos

Fruitdog wrote: »

So to clarify keeps and outposts are ERP only zones during primetime hours.

Correct. Outposts are for ERP, keeps are for lore RP.
See you at sejANUS tn

Yolokin_Swagonborn

You know those large siege battles featuring hundreds of players on screen at the same time complete with destructible terrain and siege warfare.

Those cause lag. Avoid them.


As always, the best way to play the game is not to play.

Manoekin

Wrong. You're not experiencing the same fights in the open field that you are in keeps. Anyone that was there can attest to this. A few days ago I grabbed a scroll from a DC home keep and started running it south. Just before that Daniel had grabbed a scroll from an AD home keep. We ended up running into each other, and what happened was the game completely *** itself. It was actually worse than pretty much any keep fight I've experienced since the changes to LoS checks.

WRX

Manoekin wrote: »

Wrong. You're not experiencing the same fights in the open field that you are in keeps. Anyone that was there can attest to this. A few days ago I grabbed a scroll from a DC home keep and started running it south. Just before that Daniel had grabbed a scroll from an AD home keep. We ended up running into each other, and what happened was the game completely *** itself. It was actually worse than pretty much any keep fight I've experienced since the changes to LoS checks.

Of course that will still cause a lot of lag. I was with you, and no exaggeration there was maybe 120 people at that fight, with all 3 factions. Its going to lag.

What I am suggesting is the fights that are ~30 vs ~30 are more playable away from keeps and it appears that tick range plays at least a part in latency. Not saying to avoid keeps or its the only issue, but it does play a role in my opinion.

_Chaos

Manoekin wrote: »

Wrong. You're not experiencing the same fights in the open field that you are in keeps. Anyone that was there can attest to this. A few days ago I grabbed a scroll from a DC home keep and started running it south. Just before that Daniel had grabbed a scroll from an AD home keep. We ended up running into each other, and what happened was the game completely *** itself. It was actually worse than pretty much any keep fight I've experienced since the changes to LoS checks.

Yeah it's too bad, that was actually going to be a really really good fight too. Some of us got footage of that fight, but there's just way too much latency spiking to be enjoyable. There was also 2 AD guilds, an EP group, Daniels group, and 3/4 a raid of VE all in the same area. Which should be fine, but ZOS.

Manoekin

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Wrong. You're not experiencing the same fights in the open field that you are in keeps. Anyone that was there can attest to this. A few days ago I grabbed a scroll from a DC home keep and started running it south. Just before that Daniel had grabbed a scroll from an AD home keep. We ended up running into each other, and what happened was the game completely *** itself. It was actually worse than pretty much any keep fight I've experienced since the changes to LoS checks.

Yeah it's too bad, that was actually going to be a really really good fight too. Some of us got footage of that fight, but there's just way too much latency spiking to be enjoyable. There was also 2 AD guilds, an EP group, Daniels group, and 3/4 a raid of VE all in the same area. Which should be fine, but ZOS.

Yeah. I was pretty much like "Alright lets bomb these dudes" and then no skills went off and some cursing happened.

WRX wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Wrong. You're not experiencing the same fights in the open field that you are in keeps. Anyone that was there can attest to this. A few days ago I grabbed a scroll from a DC home keep and started running it south. Just before that Daniel had grabbed a scroll from an AD home keep. We ended up running into each other, and what happened was the game completely *** itself. It was actually worse than pretty much any keep fight I've experienced since the changes to LoS checks.

Of course that will still cause a lot of lag. I was with you, and no exaggeration there was maybe 120 people at that fight, with all 3 factions. Its going to lag.

What I am suggesting is the fights that are ~30 vs ~30 are more playable away from keeps and it appears that tick range plays at least a part in latency. Not saying to avoid keeps or its the only issue, but it does play a role in my opinion.

I won't deny that. You can tell the difference in ping spike once you get close to certain keeps/outposts.

SHADOW2KK

Ok then maybe we should kick the doors in...

Jules

It's cool guys, we'll just leap in.

OdinForge

Jules wrote: »

It's cool guys, we'll just leap in.

Dragon in name only, fly in reality.

#ClippedWings

Alucardo

Jules wrote: »

It's cool guys, we'll just leap in.

You haven't lived until you've pulled yourself in on a CC immune player on the edge of a tower with chains. I felt like spiderman.

Jules

Alucardo wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

It's cool guys, we'll just leap in.

You haven't lived until you've pulled yourself in on a CC immune player on the edge of a tower with chains. I felt like spiderman.

LOL. Analogy game = 100

Ezareth

WRX wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

This thread is ridiculous. Keeps themselves and tick ranges have nothing to do with the latency itself. It is just pure logical that people work toward objectives *cough keeps* which will obviously bring more latency issues if more people merge into the same area because there are more chances to see players exchanging damage / heal to each other.

I am going to have to disagree with you here.

Not saying it is the cause or it isn't, but there are a lot more things going on server side around a keep.

The same fights I used to have at keeps that caused massive lag would be playable away from the keep.

Not to mention, say a random guild whom we will call KPN, has 100 dudes in nikel. Everything is all fine and dandy, but the moment you come within the tick range of nikel you get hit by a large fps drop and obvious latency issues before you ever see the other players. Same idea with keep sieges, you can telling roughly how many people are there just by your latency even though they aren't fighting and no one is in sight. Just an observation.

Doesn't explain my experience in the Districts with a 30 man zerg lagging it out just as bad as cyrodiil.

I think there are *some* latency issues with ticks as I've experienced that myself when I was the only player at a stronghold and my FPS went to crap when I got a random tick for about 10 seconds.

WRX

Ezareth wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

This thread is ridiculous. Keeps themselves and tick ranges have nothing to do with the latency itself. It is just pure logical that people work toward objectives *cough keeps* which will obviously bring more latency issues if more people merge into the same area because there are more chances to see players exchanging damage / heal to each other.

I am going to have to disagree with you here.

Not saying it is the cause or it isn't, but there are a lot more things going on server side around a keep.

The same fights I used to have at keeps that caused massive lag would be playable away from the keep.

Not to mention, say a random guild whom we will call KPN, has 100 dudes in nikel. Everything is all fine and dandy, but the moment you come within the tick range of nikel you get hit by a large fps drop and obvious latency issues before you ever see the other players. Same idea with keep sieges, you can telling roughly how many people are there just by your latency even though they aren't fighting and no one is in sight. Just an observation.

Doesn't explain my experience in the Districts with a 30 man zerg lagging it out just as bad as cyrodiil.

I think there are *some* latency issues with ticks as I've experienced that myself when I was the only player at a stronghold and my FPS went to crap when I got a random tick for about 10 seconds.

Like I said, I'm not saying its the only issue or the main source of lag.

But I have found it is more severe in tick range, it can obviously happen anywhere else.

Hektik_V

Breaking News: Nothing going on on the map results in no lag.

Ghost-Shot

Hektik_V wrote: »

Breaking News: Nothing going on on the map results in no lag.

Are you sure? I don't believe you.

Teargrants

Here's a tip to improve FPS in laggy situations: take a bunch of screens and make them into PowerPoint slides, then play the ppt. You'll have better FPS.

You're welcome.