This Is How Bad The Lag Is!

Molag_Crow

I've seen people say ESO on console is smoother than PC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL2isSAq0G8

Here's some video proof of that! in a comparison video I made, I show you a load of clips of lag, and then there's a happy ending, even though the happy ending is really the past, when the lag weren't this bad now I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm no tech expert or anything like that so I can't offer any constructive criticism on this subject, but after watching the "WE ARE ESO podcast" I know for a fact it has nothing to do with our ISP's because the guys on the podcast who are on PC, also describe the same effects we're getting on console too, and everyone I talk to is experiencing the same and Disconnecting/freezing/complaining about the same stuff! Fengrush also suggests that it may be related to the patch that changed the lighting effects in Cyrodiil or something server related, I can't remember exactly what he said.

MrBeatDown

At least it just plain out freezes on Consule. But on PC, we get stutter screen too.

That lighting patch Fengrush is talking about is in the Craglorn Update patch notes. When they added the lighting improvements to the game, they hailed it a big success in the ESO live show that they did showcasing craglorn. They even hosted the clown that did it to talk about it on ESO live. They probably gave him a pay raise and promotion along with a pat on his back for the job he did.

Game has been wreckt ever since.

Molag_Crow

MrBeatDown wrote: »

At least it just plain out freezes on Consule. But on PC, we get stutter screen too.

That lighting patch Fengrush is talking about is in the Craglorn Update patch notes. When they added the lighting improvements to the game, they hailed it a big success in the ESO live show that they did showcasing craglorn. They even hosted the clown that did it to talk about it on ESO live. They probably gave him a pay raise and promotion along with a pat on his back for the job he did.

Game has been wreckt ever since.

Oh yeah I thought so, a bit like when I used to play WoW on a potato pc back in the day before getting a gaming PC and It would be like playing a slideshow in raids/PvP... but that lighting issue really sucks make you think, as beautiful as it may look, it's messed it up on a performance level

Molag_Crow

I would just like to state that it isn't always this bad, because yesterday kinda made things smoother after the maintenance.

Octavarious

In the evening the lag gets so bad at times that I literally cannot cast some of my spells. When this occurs, I tend to just visit IC or solo some Craglorn delves. I wish that this wasn't the case because I love pvp and that is prime-time, but I really have no other option until it is improved, if it ever is.

Tors

The lighting patch introduced more than just lighting. It introduced code to stop exploiters, cheats and bots.

This code will not be removed any time soon. The community needs to take some responsibility here.

Every time you turn a blind eye to the kids cheating, or in any way big them up you give them more impetus to make use of whatever cheats they can.

THis isnt an ESO issue, this is across the board, every online game is hamstrung by this kind of thing.

Sad really.

I would love to know what the game could be like If they turned off this code, and I was sat in the data center in Germany.



That said, not all lag can be attributed to this code, the stuff showen in the clip for example is either client side or server based. Normally I blame the client, but in the case of ESO we really cant.

I am suprised that its so pronounced on the consoles though, as all the client kit is equal, they should have no problems (or a much easier time) in sorting this

Alcast

Welcome to the party:

https://youtu.be/va2-NEEx3Mw

MangoSsk

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I've seen people say ESO on console is smoother than PC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL2isSAq0G8

Here's some video proof of that! in a comparison video I made, I show you a load of clips of lag, and then there's a happy ending, even though the happy ending is really the past, when the lag weren't this bad now I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm no tech expert or anything like that so I can't offer any constructive criticism on this subject, but after watching the "WE ARE ESO podcast" I know for a fact it has nothing to do with our ISP's because the guys on the podcast who are on PC, also describe the same effects we're getting on console too, and everyone I talk to is experiencing the same and Disconnecting/freezing/complaining about the same stuff! Fengrush also suggests that it may be related to the patch that changed the lighting effects in Cyrodiil or something server related, I can't remember exactly what he said.

Nope we were experiencing Microphone Latency & Drop Issues as well as this video you submitted as well as example (Nightblade Teleport, Teleport again not working, Teleport again not working, Teleports 3x ok now it works a little too well.)

SneaK

Zack Morris time outs.

Molag_Crow

MangoSsk wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I've seen people say ESO on console is smoother than PC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL2isSAq0G8

Here's some video proof of that! in a comparison video I made, I show you a load of clips of lag, and then there's a happy ending, even though the happy ending is really the past, when the lag weren't this bad now I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm no tech expert or anything like that so I can't offer any constructive criticism on this subject, but after watching the "WE ARE ESO podcast" I know for a fact it has nothing to do with our ISP's because the guys on the podcast who are on PC, also describe the same effects we're getting on console too, and everyone I talk to is experiencing the same and Disconnecting/freezing/complaining about the same stuff! Fengrush also suggests that it may be related to the patch that changed the lighting effects in Cyrodiil or something server related, I can't remember exactly what he said.

Nope we were experiencing Microphone Latency & Drop Issues as well as this video you submitted as well as example (Nightblade Teleport, Teleport again not working, Teleport again not working, Teleports 3x ok now it works a little too well.)

What do you mean?

MrBeatDown

Just think about all those poor new saps that buy this game thinking that they will be able to play in a lag free smooth combat experience game in cyrodiil, only to go through the process of buying the game, installing it, accepting the tos, creating a character, then make it turn level 10, before they can find out the truth, since they are not told in advance that the feature they bought the game for is defective and does not work properly.

Molag_Crow

MrBeatDown wrote: »

Just think about all those poor new saps that buy this game thinking that they will be able to play in a lag free smooth combat experience game in cyrodiil, only to go through the process of buying the game, installing it, accepting the toss, creating a character, then make it turn level 10, before they can find out the truth, since they are not told in advance that the feature they bought the game for is defective and does not work properly.

Man I hate to admit it but that's what I was thinking too....

danno8

Tors wrote: »

The lighting patch introduced more than just lighting. It introduced code to stop exploiters, cheats and bots.

This code will not be removed any time soon. The community needs to take some responsibility here.

Every time you turn a blind eye to the kids cheating, or in any way big them up you give them more impetus to make use of whatever cheats they can.

THis isnt an ESO issue, this is across the board, every online game is hamstrung by this kind of thing.

Sad really.

I would love to know what the game could be like If they turned off this code, and I was sat in the data center in Germany.



That said, not all lag can be attributed to this code, the stuff showen in the clip for example is either client side or server based. Normally I blame the client, but in the case of ESO we really cant.

I am suprised that its so pronounced on the consoles though, as all the client kit is equal, they should have no problems (or a much easier time) in sorting this

I am glad you posted this fact. Saves me the trouble of explaining the "lighting" patch yet again.

SeptimusDova

the code hasn't worked to stop bots 100 percent some re still running in cold harbor and near the druegh city outside of wayrest. And for exploiters? This past year has had some of the best exploits anywhere. AFTER the "Lighting" Patch. Nirn bug,Sharpened bug,the fighters guild expert hunter sploit and its morphs Camo/evil/***,the traps sploit in IC, the teleport stike sploit, the snipe sploit, the focused aim sploit, the MOTG sploit Just to name a few. Did CODE catch this or prevent it? NO NO NO NO. Players did and they reported it. Kudos to the Player base!!!!!

The bot code was given to them before release I reckon they blew it off.

One that could of been really bad was hotfixed this week the "we don't need no stinkin healz refreshing path for chezzburgerz" skill!! Caught by Playaz!!!

We don't need no stinkin code we have awesome players who catch and report.

phairdon

The forum is laggy for me today (taking a while to load). Not in game, so no idea what its like. I am playing another game online, unusually laggy too.

Hiero_Glyph

SeptimusDova wrote: »

the code hasn't worked to stop bots 100 percent some re still running in cold harbor and near the druegh city outside of wayrest. And for exploiters? This past year has had some of the best exploits anywhere. AFTER the "Lighting" Patch. Nirn bug,Sharpened bug,the fighters guild expert hunter sploit and its morphs Camo/evil/***,the traps sploit in IC, the teleport stike sploit, the snipe sploit, the focused aim sploit, the MOTG sploit Just to name a few. Did CODE catch this or prevent it? NO NO NO NO. Players did and they reported it. Kudos to the Player base!!!!!

The bot code was given to them before release I reckon they blew it off.

One that could of been really bad was hotfixed this week the "we don't need no stinkin healz refreshing path for chezzburgerz" skill!! Caught by Playaz!!!

We don't need no stinkin code we have awesome players who catch and report.

Sadly all the things you mentioned are just bad coding by ZOS, not players causing the game to do something it isn't supposed to do. The anti-cheat code is looking for players using scripts to operate bots or automate aspects of the game for one reason or another.

For example, using stealth and holding block was an exploit that was due to bad cod inserted into the game by ZOS. Yes, this was exploited by players but it was not something that would have been detected by anti-cheat code since those commands are used regularly by all players. Perhaps if the frequency of thoe inputs was significantly higher than normal the code would detect that information but without specific information the commands are quite mundane.

Typically anti-cheat code looks for the exact timing of inputs moreso than the combination of inputs as this is the sign of a script running, not a human inputting those commands. Still, if the game is suffering overall then the current solution needs to be removed and an alternative one attempted.

SeptimusDova

@Hiero_Glyph

Thanks for the well crafted reply. Your last sentences brings to question: Are they working on an alternative?

Molag_Crow

OMG it's so terrible at the moment that I can't even toppling charge anybody. ......

Molag_Crow

Is there a server fix planned at any time? honestly, I don't want to keep recorded clips of how bad this lag is.

Edit: Also resetting my router etc to refresh the connection and also asking friends in the same campaign and server if they're experiencing the same symptoms.

FENGRUSH

What has you become ESO

PBpsy

Lgga In SeEEO such thiing no never seen.

Monsoon

Wait I just came back from a year away and you are saying the lag is worst now than one year ago? Seriously?
If that s the case I miss the beta

Molag_Crow

Yeah, I restarted my router and it was smooth (in cyrodiil) for about 10 mins then it went back to typical skippy lag and delays. Asked a few friends, 1 said they're not lagging, 3 said they're lagging bad too.

Molag_Crow

Alcast wrote: »

Welcome to the party:

https://youtu.be/va2-NEEx3Mw

It's sad!

Belidos

Wouldn't it be just epic if that long freeze was actually the whole server had got together and stood still for a few minutes just to freak you out LOL!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwMj3PJDxuo

beerninja

It's not really going to help anybody to state that lag exists. People need to post what country they are in, what their connection speed is, which server they are connecting to, which campaign they are participating in, what time of day, what their NAT type is, what model of router they have, and whether or not they have updated the firmware on their router.

sadownik

beerninja wrote: »

It's not really going to help anybody to state that lag exists. People need to post what country they are in, what their connection speed is, which server they are connecting to, which campaign they are participating in, what time of day, what their NAT type is, what model of router they have, and whether or not they have updated the firmware on their router.

Haha nice one mate.

Molag_Crow

sadownik wrote: »

beerninja wrote: »

It's not really going to help anybody to state that lag exists. People need to post what country they are in, what their connection speed is, which server they are connecting to, which campaign they are participating in, what time of day, what their NAT type is, what model of router they have, and whether or not they have updated the firmware on their router.

Haha nice one mate.

True

nimander99

The good news is you are wielding a spear of pure light!

Wollust

Ok, it's mean.. really.. I'm sorry..
But I'm soooo happy console is having the same crap now we've had for over a year.


Maybe that's more of an incentive to finally fix it?

SHADOW2KK

Wollust wrote: »

Ok, it's mean.. really.. I'm sorry..
But I'm soooo happy console is having the same crap now we've had for over a year.


Maybe that's more of an incentive to finally fix it?

Completely agree, as evil as it sounds;P

Aye maybe finally they will fix shizzle.