Refreshing Path Broken - Even in Cyro

rokrdt05

Jumper45 wrote: »

NB Healers need more healing. Id welcome the change to the skill so they can compete with templar heals. But this seems a little high. Id hope for something like 4-5k a second. Templars can layer up around +150% healing or more. NBs dont even get close to that so if this was intended it falls in line imho. More importantly if u cut it in half in pvp. Templars can overpower the nerf. NBs and others dont stand a chance on that front. When my templar is popping out 15k heals from any direction this change seems very small considering you have to stand or get in it first.

What you may not realize though, is that I know NB's right now who can spec to get 20k crit heals IN Cryo. Refreshing Path is a 11 sec ability. So imagine having a HoT that can out do Templar heals per HoT tick only every 11 secs. Templars would have to spam BoL to compete with this and eventually run out of magicka... NB's? Nope, they can cast it and go on the offensive with this type of HoT without consequence.

I would like to see Refreshing Path get a lager heal for sure to be more competitive, but not in this way and certainly not to this extent.

rokrdt05

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We're working on getting this fixed as soon as possible. Thanks, guys!

Awesome! Great News!

Are we looking at a hotfix or is this something will have to wait to be patched?

SleepyTroll

Hurry NB's run the hard mode aRena on easy mode.

Scyantific

Damn you guys must really hate NBs to be screaming for a fix to this.

rokrdt05

Scyantific wrote: »

Damn you guys must really hate NBs to be screaming for a fix to this.

It's not coming a place of hate, this is just extremely broken. Almost as bad as the infinite stamina bug if not worse in some respects.

eliisra

Jumper45 wrote: »

NB Healers need more healing. Id welcome the change to the skill so they can compete with templar heals. But this seems a little high. Id hope for something like 4-5k a second. Templars can layer up around +150% healing or more. NBs dont even get close to that so if this was intended it falls in line imho. More importantly if u cut it in half in pvp. Templars can overpower the nerf. NBs and others dont stand a chance on that front. When my templar is popping out 15k heals from any direction this change seems very small considering you have to stand or get in it first.

Are you for real ha ha.

Realise that a templar would have to hardcore spam Rushed Ceremony 9-12 times in a row to get close to the healing you get from laying down only one(much cheaper) and bugged Refreshing Path. That''s not only 9-12 global cooldowns wasted not attacking and only healing, it also drains your magicka pool to nothing.

I to think Refreshing Path should heal for a bit more, but this bug is game breaking. Hopefully hotfixed instead of fix next week.

Daveheart

Well, I'm glad there's already some response on this. I rolled into a couple rounds of the arena with this before going to bed, and it was way too easy. For the Lamia boss on round 3 I normally need to be careful to keep up heals and a shield. However, with this, I'd fill right back up after her attacks. To be fair to refreshing path, it could have used a buff - just not a Breath of Life AoE HoT.

Hiero_Glyph

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We're working on getting this fixed as soon as possible. Thanks, guys!

FYI, it's not just Refreshing Path that you broke but almost every skill in your DoT performance fix. You also failed to adjust for passive procs effects despite intending to halve the frequency of damage ticks. Any chance you will actually fix these issues instead of simply slapping a bandaid on Refreshing Path and calling it done?

FENGRUSH

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Might as well get the other major PvP'ers to chime in to.

@Ezareth @FENGRUSH @Sypher

Ezareth is suspended, my suspension just faded this morning from the forums. Looks like this heal is super strong - but theres a lot of things broken in this patch that nobody is acknowledging or getting quick fixes.

Crit rates are broken beyond 50%, known issue for weeks on the PTS - apparently still not fixed. You know how badly this hurts PVE stam builds revolving around crit, especially one like mine that is built off of crit surge??


As I've said on podcast and stream very often - we need constant tweaks week to week on things, attempts to fix things and acknowledging issues that are being worked on. I dont think there is anyone at ZOS that actively works on balance. These issues are tossed in right alongside fixes such as a quest that is broken or too many sheep walking around a zone that will get you an achievement. Balance isnt considered important - is the message being. Its not a good thing at all.

The unfortunate thing is the things that help players are the first to be fixed. Things that will impact you negatively take way way way longer to be fixed, because its not an issue that gives the player a competitive advantage. There are gamebreaking issues - but all issues are bad. Priority should be based on how extreme the impact is, not whether it is positive or negative to the one using it.

rokrdt05

FENGRUSH wrote: »

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rokrdt05 wrote: »

Might as well get the other major PvP'ers to chime in to.

@Ezareth @FENGRUSH @Sypher

Ezareth is suspended, my suspension just faded this morning from the forums. Looks like this heal is super strong - but theres a lot of things broken in this patch that nobody is acknowledging or getting quick fixes.

Crit rates are broken beyond 50%, known issue for weeks on the PTS - apparently still not fixed. You know how badly this hurts PVE stam builds revolving around crit, especially one like mine that is built off of crit surge??


As I've said on podcast and stream very often - we need constant tweaks week to week on things, attempts to fix things and acknowledging issues that are being worked on. I dont think there is anyone at ZOS that actively works on balance. These issues are tossed in right alongside fixes such as a quest that is broken or too many sheep walking around a zone that will get you an achievement. Balance isnt considered important - is the message being. Its not a good thing at all.

This is true. There are many things Zos could be doing, but I feel like minor things keep getting tweaked as opposed to some of the major issues going on right now.

Daveheart

FENGRUSH wrote: »

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rokrdt05 wrote: »

Might as well get the other major PvP'ers to chime in to.

@Ezareth @FENGRUSH @Sypher

Ezareth is suspended, my suspension just faded this morning from the forums. Looks like this heal is super strong - but theres a lot of things broken in this patch that nobody is acknowledging or getting quick fixes.

Crit rates are broken beyond 50%, known issue for weeks on the PTS - apparently still not fixed. You know how badly this hurts PVE stam builds revolving around crit, especially one like mine that is built off of crit surge??


As I've said on podcast and stream very often - we need constant tweaks week to week on things, attempts to fix things and acknowledging issues that are being worked on. I dont think there is anyone at ZOS that actively works on balance. These issues are tossed in right alongside fixes such as a quest that is broken or too many sheep walking around a zone that will get you an achievement. Balance isnt considered important - is the message being. Its not a good thing at all.

rokrdt05 wrote: »

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FENGRUSH wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Might as well get the other major PvP'ers to chime in to.

@Ezareth @FENGRUSH @Sypher

Ezareth is suspended, my suspension just faded this morning from the forums. Looks like this heal is super strong - but theres a lot of things broken in this patch that nobody is acknowledging or getting quick fixes.

Crit rates are broken beyond 50%, known issue for weeks on the PTS - apparently still not fixed. You know how badly this hurts PVE stam builds revolving around crit, especially one like mine that is built off of crit surge??


As I've said on podcast and stream very often - we need constant tweaks week to week on things, attempts to fix things and acknowledging issues that are being worked on. I dont think there is anyone at ZOS that actively works on balance. These issues are tossed in right alongside fixes such as a quest that is broken or too many sheep walking around a zone that will get you an achievement. Balance isnt considered important - is the message being. Its not a good thing at all.

This is true. There are many things Zos could be doing, but I feel like minor things keep getting tweaked as opposed to some of the major issues going on right now.

I keep coming back to the Argonian swim speed fix that was implemented a few patches ago. That had to be a bug that only ever affected one person, but they fixed it.

jebuspowers

I'm just going to throw this out there, but I honestly believe the path abilities should be changed to auras. No crazy huge range or buffing it up. Just change its ae to an aura on the caster.

Furor

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We're working on getting this fixed as soon as possible. Thanks, guys!

Don't work too quickly! I have to go run vMA first! (Just kidding )

rokrdt05

Furor wrote: »

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ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We're working on getting this fixed as soon as possible. Thanks, guys!

Don't work too quickly! I have to go run vMA first! (Just kidding )

lol for the completion sure maybe... but the boards are getting reset so no point in trying for a top time. Even with this you still have to learn the mechanics.

Basically don't get use to a crutch lol

Waffennacht

Run to the dungeons! Get mad drops and flood the economy! HURRY!

Too bad I am console, if I was comp my undaunted skill line would be maxed out in a few hours with this bug...

AkeGamer

Zilch wrote: »

My refreshing path seems to be normal values. I'm on EU.
39K Magicka, 2520 Spell Damage unbuffed.

I wouldn't be so sure it's fixed on EU because this is only Rank 1 of the skill and the tool tip seems appropriate on NA for Rank 1 as well. Post Rank 2 or higher from EU please.

Jumper45

rokrdt05 wrote: »

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Jumper45 wrote: »

NB Healers need more healing. Id welcome the change to the skill so they can compete with templar heals. But this seems a little high. Id hope for something like 4-5k a second. Templars can layer up around +150% healing or more. NBs dont even get close to that so if this was intended it falls in line imho. More importantly if u cut it in half in pvp. Templars can overpower the nerf. NBs and others dont stand a chance on that front. When my templar is popping out 15k heals from any direction this change seems very small considering you have to stand or get in it first.

What you may not realize though, is that I know NB's right now who can spec to get 20k crit heals IN Cryo. Refreshing Path is a 11 sec ability. So imagine having a HoT that can out do Templar heals per HoT tick only every 11 secs. Templars would have to spam BoL to compete with this and eventually run out of magicka... NB's? Nope, they can cast it and go on the offensive with this type of HoT without consequence.

I would like to see Refreshing Path get a lager heal for sure to be more competitive, but not in this way and certainly not to this extent.

Agreed. Would love to see something around 4k to keep up with templars. Right now its too low imho. If not path then something else gets a boost in HPS like strife. Had to shelve my NB healer because it just doesnt cut it vs templar after Vet 9 or so. After Stacking all that %Healing buff my BOLs can fully heal people vs NB where you have to move a mountain to get it to work correctly. While NB can crit that high fully buffed i was speaking in normal terms for my templar. Templar crit heals are pretty crazy. Not to mention i can use the 10% crit buff on my templar. NB healer just doesnt have room on their healer bar to fit inner light for the crit buff. While they do get extra healing for every siphon ability slotted you can really only slot 2 siphons and be viable in the world of healing because not all siphon abilities are for healing like the 2 CCs.

AkeGamer

AkeGamer wrote: »

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Zilch wrote: »

My refreshing path seems to be normal values. I'm on EU.
39K Magicka, 2520 Spell Damage unbuffed.

I wouldn't be so sure it's fixed on EU because this is only Rank 1 of the skill and the tool tip seems appropriate on NA for Rank 1 as well. Post Rank 2 or higher from EU please.

And here is why... Note the jump from 616 to 4159 hps.

Jumper45

eliisra wrote: »

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Jumper45 wrote: »

NB Healers need more healing. Id welcome the change to the skill so they can compete with templar heals. But this seems a little high. Id hope for something like 4-5k a second. Templars can layer up around +150% healing or more. NBs dont even get close to that so if this was intended it falls in line imho. More importantly if u cut it in half in pvp. Templars can overpower the nerf. NBs and others dont stand a chance on that front. When my templar is popping out 15k heals from any direction this change seems very small considering you have to stand or get in it first.

Are you for real ha ha.

Realise that a templar would have to hardcore spam Rushed Ceremony 9-12 times in a row to get close to the healing you get from laying down only one(much cheaper) and bugged Refreshing Path. That''s not only 9-12 global cooldowns wasted not attacking and only healing, it also drains your magicka pool to nothing.

I to think Refreshing Path should heal for a bit more, but this bug is game breaking. Hopefully hotfixed instead of fix next week.

Pretty real lol, you should read the whole post though. While i said there in the post not looking for the sort of game breaking amounts the bug offers but it does need a boost. Keep in mind there is a huge difference between NB and Templar in the way they heal. Templar you cast a few times and you simply go into heavy for magicka. NB rarely even has time to heavy attack for magicka. Almost all of their time is spent refreshing hots or spamming strife ( you have to spam strife to get the first tick and not wait on the hot tick to keep up in terms of HPS) This in turn Lowers the amount of ulti points NB gets vs Templar. So you can spam Templar aoe heal or barrier etc while NB doesnt really get that chance.

It all trickles down. Playing both healers its very easy to see where the problems pop up between the healer roles. While i understand balance can be an issue. You or anyone shouldnt expect there to only be a single healer role viable in a triple A title MMO. You should have several options for healer/tank/dps not this 1 sided in favor of templars fight atm. As it stands you can tank pretty well with all 4 classes, DPS with all 4 classes and heal really with just templar. Dont get me wrong NB/Sorc can heal but they shouldnt have to move mountains to get it to work right vs templar which gets to lean back in the lazyboy chair and munch on cheetos.

The biggest problem is Low healing values and their skill bars not allowing much vs templar which only needs to slot 2 heals and the rest can be support/buffs etc.

Granted i can heal much longer on my NB then my templar in terms of magicka spent but at the same time on NB my entire time is spent healing on Templar i just cast a few BOLs and go into heavy for magicka returns or plan my next move if I have enough magicka and only have to up keep Purify ritual for the 30% healing boost. I wont even go into Purify Light being slightly OP because you can put it on 6+ targets and have 6+ Hots going off at once while casting BOL. Can anyone else do that? Dont think so.

Van_0S

Scyantific wrote: »

Damn you guys must really hate NBs to be screaming for a fix to this.

Well, You should see how the AD makes use of NB in Asura EU

lathbury

Scyantific wrote: »

Damn you guys must really hate NBs to be screaming for a fix to this.

I only play nightblades and i have sent zos videos and screenshots of this bug. I love my nb's but stuff like this can ruin a game.

Shader_Shibes

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We're working on getting this fixed as soon as possible. Thanks, guys!

Lemme run new Arena first please before fix

rokrdt05

So someone asked when this was going to be fixed and this was the response:

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

Tomorrow.

Waffennacht

Do it! Come on! Do it NOW! YAARG (Arnold Schwarzenegger voice)

Seriously though, I totally wouldn't blame everyone to complete as many dungeons as possible. I mean I would, I have a really hard time gettin a good group (I just have a hard time not trying to help my guild though more often than not its a facepalm)

Im gonna try and live vicariously through the pcers

rokrdt05

Did they say if they were doing a Hotfix or maintenance for this fix?

@ZOS_RichLambert

Daveheart

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Did they say if they were doing a Hotfix or maintenance for this fix?

@ZOS_RichLambert

They hadn't said yet, but this seems like they'll just need to edit the values which is exactly the type of change they've previously indicated is good with a hotfix.

ZOS_RichLambert

It was a hotfix, and should be live now.

Mujuro

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

It was a hotfix, and should be live now.

The tooltip still isn't fixed, it still reads the pre-hotfix number.

rokrdt05

Mujuro wrote: »

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ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

It was a hotfix, and should be live now.

The tooltip still isn't fixed, it still reads the pre-hotfix number.

I just checked myself. Refreshing Path WAS fixed, however it does show the wrong tooltip... so it's just UI at this point and not that big of a deal.

Scyantific

Anyone check to see if any other skill got broken, since that's likely the case?