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Do you truthfully enjoy pvp in its current state?
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vamp_emily✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, I do not enjoy pvp in its current state but play it anyway because I have nothing better to do.I play PvP 99% of the time ( mostly Non-Vet ) been playing like that for at least 6 months.
Since the most recent update, I have been getting hammered by allot of lvl 11-15 players when my character was at lvl 48-49. I know how I play, and I don't mind dying and hopping back on my horse; but when a level 11 beats me down in about 4 seconds, with my skills I know something is wrong.
I like the fact that armor does matter now, but i am not sure if I like this damage reduction and CP in non-vet PvP.
As far as Vet PvP goes, I am not currently enjoying that because of the lag.
Just recently I stopped playing PvP full time, I just go there for a few minutes a day. My main goal now is to get my CP. Once i get 501 CP, I am going to go back and hunt down all lvl 11-15 players and kill them all. ( sorry )
Edited by vamp_emily on November 10, 2015 2:06PM
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kevlarto_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭It is ok, it needs a lot of work but I still enjoy it sometimes.I have still have fun mostly because, I run with a small group of three to four friends, but trying to find action and seeing great action in a campaign for a couple of weeks then boom everyone evacuates the campaign for reasons I just don't understand. really makes me wonder what people are looking for these days, I see a lot of people saying they want one thing but actions show me something else, this is one of those times your left scratching your head and your butt at the same time in confusion. LOL
Edited by kevlarto_ESO on November 10, 2015 2:06PM0 -
Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I have given up on pvp completely until they fix it.Useless poll is useless since people happy with PvP feel way less inclined to participate here. However, people unhappy with the current state of PvP will most likely participate, skewing the results.0 -
CtrlAltDlt✭✭✭I have given up on pvp completely until they fix it.It's not fun for me(solo) anymore, ride my cat 30minutes to find action, only to see it's a big zerg and end up on the ground. IC is dead too so yeah..PC NA - jeazzy
stamblade outnumbered pvp vol 1. youtu.be/h1ONYfpAJJ8
Stamblade outbumbered pvp vol 2. No cheese youtu.be/rN4_aRVMvWw0 -
LegendaryChef✭✭✭✭✭No, I do not enjoy pvp in its current state but play it anyway because I have nothing better to do.Lava_Croft wrote: »Useless poll is useless since people happy with PvP feel way less inclined to participate here. However, people unhappy with the current state of PvP will most likely participate, skewing the results.
Why take part then? Are you not curious to know if people are actually enjoying the game or not? This is a LONGSHOT but maybe, just maybe, zos will see this. You never know.Zzoro/Elliot Brown/Baldy ~Kitesquad/Noricum~
PC EU.
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usmcjdking✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No.
I don't, and have never minded zerg v. zerg. But I am quite bored with the current blob v. blob everyone-stack-on-crown-ulti-dump lagmess. Tanks used to be your front line of defense and offense, and you used to have less lag issues in zerg v zerg because ulti dumps wouldn't happen all at the same time. We didn't have much in regards to offense, but we could tank 10-15 dudes for 15-20 seconds allowing the rest of the team to do the damage.
Now tanks can't do their job and are just about useless now you have ulti-dumping groups everywhere.
Proposed fixes (given that the stamina regen nerf will not be reverted)
- Greater values of resistance in Heavy Armor or resistance to armor/spell penetration innate to Heavy Armor.
- Bracing reduces block cost by 50%.
- Allow health to modify ALL recovery, shield strength and other defensive buffs by more than a factor of 1/3r (which is reduced to 1/6th in cyrodiil ty shield nerf).
Any of the 2 above would not dramatically break PVP or PVE.0331
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Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I have given up on pvp completely until they fix it.
I just explained that to you. I am an unhappy customer.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »Useless poll is useless since people happy with PvP feel way less inclined to participate here. However, people unhappy with the current state of PvP will most likely participate, skewing the results.
Why take part then? Are you not curious to know if people are actually enjoying the game or not? This is a LONGSHOT but maybe, just maybe, zos will see this. You never know.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias.
Edited by Lava_Croft on November 10, 2015 6:34PM0 -
RoamingRiverElk✭✭✭✭✭No, I do not enjoy pvp in its current state but play it anyway because I have nothing better to do.Lava_Croft wrote: »
I just explained that to you. I am an unhappy customer.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »Useless poll is useless since people happy with PvP feel way less inclined to participate here. However, people unhappy with the current state of PvP will most likely participate, skewing the results.
Why take part then? Are you not curious to know if people are actually enjoying the game or not? This is a LONGSHOT but maybe, just maybe, zos will see this. You never know.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias.
One would think that many of the most passionate players came to the forum in the first place because they wanted to talk about the game with others even when not in game (because they loved it and cared about it so much). So what does it say about the current state of PvP when the results of a poll like this are what they are?
[Edit: As for the topic itself... We Are ESO Podcast #3 nailed it. I'm glad there are now threads on the forums about the state of the game that reflect my own views and those of the people in my PvP guild (including the ones who have already quit...) - I keep hoping that ZOS will make some changes, but I'm definitely not counting on that.
I keep playing because of the people I've met here.
Can't wait for CU Beta to start.]Edited by RoamingRiverElk on November 10, 2015 7:03PMDalris Aalr - Magicka (Stamina) DK | Dalfish - Magicka Sorc | Dal Aalr - Magicka Warden | Dalrish - Mag/Stam NB | Irana Aalr - PvE Templar1 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »
There are a few key things we need everyone to know. When a large number of players clumps together and spams PFX-heavy abilities, it will cause slow-down. We've put in a number of fixes and tools to help reduce this, but the reality is there will always be some slow-down when this happens.
Reason for lag = zerg and ball groups. As a community its time to switch to smaller scale combat.
Any future advocating of zerg/24 man teams will be met with severe scrutiny.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I have given up on pvp completely until they fix it.
Polls like this are inherently flawed because it's not a true random selection of participants. It's basically preaching to the choir. The sample size of 130 participants is also laughably small. Naturally this says nothing about the validity of PvP complaints. It's *** broken.RoamingRiverElk wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
I just explained that to you. I am an unhappy customer.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »Useless poll is useless since people happy with PvP feel way less inclined to participate here. However, people unhappy with the current state of PvP will most likely participate, skewing the results.
Why take part then? Are you not curious to know if people are actually enjoying the game or not? This is a LONGSHOT but maybe, just maybe, zos will see this. You never know.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias.
One would think that many of the most passionate players came to the forum in the first place because they wanted to talk about the game with others even when not in game (because they loved it and cared about it so much). So what does it say about the current state of PvP when the results of a poll like this are what they are?
[Edit: As for the topic itself... We Are ESO Podcast #3 nailed it. I'm glad there are now threads on the forums about the state of the game that reflect my own views and those of the people in my PvP guild (including the ones who have already quit...) - I keep hoping that ZOS will make some changes, but I'm definitely not counting on that.
I keep playing because of the people I've met here.
Can't wait for CU Beta to start.]
Edited by Lava_Croft on November 10, 2015 7:27PM0 -
LegendaryChef✭✭✭✭✭No, I do not enjoy pvp in its current state but play it anyway because I have nothing better to do.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Polls like this are inherently flawed because it's not a true random selection of participants. It's basically preaching to the choir. The sample size of 130 participants is also laughably small. Naturally this says nothing about the validity of PvP complaints. It's *** broken.RoamingRiverElk wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
I just explained that to you. I am an unhappy customer.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »Useless poll is useless since people happy with PvP feel way less inclined to participate here. However, people unhappy with the current state of PvP will most likely participate, skewing the results.
Why take part then? Are you not curious to know if people are actually enjoying the game or not? This is a LONGSHOT but maybe, just maybe, zos will see this. You never know.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias.
One would think that many of the most passionate players came to the forum in the first place because they wanted to talk about the game with others even when not in game (because they loved it and cared about it so much). So what does it say about the current state of PvP when the results of a poll like this are what they are?
[Edit: As for the topic itself... We Are ESO Podcast #3 nailed it. I'm glad there are now threads on the forums about the state of the game that reflect my own views and those of the people in my PvP guild (including the ones who have already quit...) - I keep hoping that ZOS will make some changes, but I'm definitely not counting on that.
I keep playing because of the people I've met here.
Can't wait for CU Beta to start.]
It is open to everyone that has a forum account? How is it flawed? People come to the forums all the time and not purely just to moan. Once again you have came to spread your negativity and useless feedback. If there was one person's opinion on these forums that I literally couldn't care less about it would be yours! So please before you start another "game" as you seem to always make it, remove yourself from my post and return your tail back to bed because I'm tired of listening to you.
Also the poll opened last night so yes there aren't that many participants yet.Zzoro/Elliot Brown/Baldy ~Kitesquad/Noricum~
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Iyas✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, when my ping is not 364782.Official answer from Gina about cyrodil lag issues
This is something we're continually looking into. The first step toward improving the performance in Cyrodiil was taken in patch 2.2.5 with some of the ability changes.
They really think blazing spear etc doing the lag ?!
Edited by Iyas on November 10, 2015 9:28PM2 -
Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I have given up on pvp completely until they fix it.
You really don't seem to know how polls like this work, do you?LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Polls like this are inherently flawed because it's not a true random selection of participants. It's basically preaching to the choir. The sample size of 130 participants is also laughably small. Naturally this says nothing about the validity of PvP complaints. It's *** broken.RoamingRiverElk wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
I just explained that to you. I am an unhappy customer.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »Useless poll is useless since people happy with PvP feel way less inclined to participate here. However, people unhappy with the current state of PvP will most likely participate, skewing the results.
Why take part then? Are you not curious to know if people are actually enjoying the game or not? This is a LONGSHOT but maybe, just maybe, zos will see this. You never know.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias.
One would think that many of the most passionate players came to the forum in the first place because they wanted to talk about the game with others even when not in game (because they loved it and cared about it so much). So what does it say about the current state of PvP when the results of a poll like this are what they are?
[Edit: As for the topic itself... We Are ESO Podcast #3 nailed it. I'm glad there are now threads on the forums about the state of the game that reflect my own views and those of the people in my PvP guild (including the ones who have already quit...) - I keep hoping that ZOS will make some changes, but I'm definitely not counting on that.
I keep playing because of the people I've met here.
Can't wait for CU Beta to start.]
It is open to everyone that has a forum account? How is it flawed? People come to the forums all the time and not purely just to moan. Once again you have came to spread your negativity and useless feedback. If there was one person's opinion on these forums that I literally couldn't care less about it would be yours! So please before you start another "game" as you seem to always make it, remove yourself from my post and return your tail back to bed because I'm tired of listening to you.
Also the poll opened last night so yes there aren't that many participants yet.
People who are happy generally visit forums like this much less.
People who are happy generally do not partake in polls, let alone polls with suggestive(negative) titles.
This means the participants for the poll are selected from a group that has the unhappy customers over-represented. This means the poll is inherently flawed and all people do in threads like this is nod to each other about how broken X or Y is.
Personal attacks won't change anything about that, even though you seem to think it might.
[EDIT] An even simpler way to explain it: If you are unhappy about cats and see a poll asking if you are happy with cats, you are much more inclined to participate than someone who is happy or indifferent about cats.Edited by Lava_Croft on November 10, 2015 9:32PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭Cyro lagging even MORE. For me rule each patch - lower perfomance is 100% true now0 -
Raizin✭✭✭✭I have given up on pvp completely until they fix it.its funny how the first option has 0% ....
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LegendaryChef✭✭✭✭✭No, I do not enjoy pvp in its current state but play it anyway because I have nothing better to do.Lava_Croft wrote: »
You really don't seem to know how polls like this work, do you?LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Polls like this are inherently flawed because it's not a true random selection of participants. It's basically preaching to the choir. The sample size of 130 participants is also laughably small. Naturally this says nothing about the validity of PvP complaints. It's *** broken.RoamingRiverElk wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
I just explained that to you. I am an unhappy customer.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »Useless poll is useless since people happy with PvP feel way less inclined to participate here. However, people unhappy with the current state of PvP will most likely participate, skewing the results.
Why take part then? Are you not curious to know if people are actually enjoying the game or not? This is a LONGSHOT but maybe, just maybe, zos will see this. You never know.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias.
One would think that many of the most passionate players came to the forum in the first place because they wanted to talk about the game with others even when not in game (because they loved it and cared about it so much). So what does it say about the current state of PvP when the results of a poll like this are what they are?
[Edit: As for the topic itself... We Are ESO Podcast #3 nailed it. I'm glad there are now threads on the forums about the state of the game that reflect my own views and those of the people in my PvP guild (including the ones who have already quit...) - I keep hoping that ZOS will make some changes, but I'm definitely not counting on that.
I keep playing because of the people I've met here.
Can't wait for CU Beta to start.]
It is open to everyone that has a forum account? How is it flawed? People come to the forums all the time and not purely just to moan. Once again you have came to spread your negativity and useless feedback. If there was one person's opinion on these forums that I literally couldn't care less about it would be yours! So please before you start another "game" as you seem to always make it, remove yourself from my post and return your tail back to bed because I'm tired of listening to you.
Also the poll opened last night so yes there aren't that many participants yet.
People who are happy generally visit forums like this much less.
People who are happy generally do not partake in polls, let alone polls with suggestive(negative) titles.
This means the participants for the poll are selected from a group that has the unhappy customers over-represented. This means the poll is inherently flawed and all people do in threads like this is nod to each other about how broken X or Y is.
Personal attacks won't change anything about that, even though you seem to think it might.
[EDIT] An even simpler way to explain it: If you are unhappy about cats and see a poll asking if you are happy with cats, you are much more inclined to participate than someone who is happy or indifferent about cats.
I won't waste another second of my time replying to your moronic posts Kris. Either leave the poll or continue babbling on rubbish, I don't care.Zzoro/Elliot Brown/Baldy ~Kitesquad/Noricum~
PC EU.
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Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I have given up on pvp completely until they fix it.
Stay moist, angry school boy.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
You really don't seem to know how polls like this work, do you?LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Polls like this are inherently flawed because it's not a true random selection of participants. It's basically preaching to the choir. The sample size of 130 participants is also laughably small. Naturally this says nothing about the validity of PvP complaints. It's *** broken.RoamingRiverElk wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
I just explained that to you. I am an unhappy customer.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »Useless poll is useless since people happy with PvP feel way less inclined to participate here. However, people unhappy with the current state of PvP will most likely participate, skewing the results.
Why take part then? Are you not curious to know if people are actually enjoying the game or not? This is a LONGSHOT but maybe, just maybe, zos will see this. You never know.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias.
One would think that many of the most passionate players came to the forum in the first place because they wanted to talk about the game with others even when not in game (because they loved it and cared about it so much). So what does it say about the current state of PvP when the results of a poll like this are what they are?
[Edit: As for the topic itself... We Are ESO Podcast #3 nailed it. I'm glad there are now threads on the forums about the state of the game that reflect my own views and those of the people in my PvP guild (including the ones who have already quit...) - I keep hoping that ZOS will make some changes, but I'm definitely not counting on that.
I keep playing because of the people I've met here.
Can't wait for CU Beta to start.]
It is open to everyone that has a forum account? How is it flawed? People come to the forums all the time and not purely just to moan. Once again you have came to spread your negativity and useless feedback. If there was one person's opinion on these forums that I literally couldn't care less about it would be yours! So please before you start another "game" as you seem to always make it, remove yourself from my post and return your tail back to bed because I'm tired of listening to you.
Also the poll opened last night so yes there aren't that many participants yet.
People who are happy generally visit forums like this much less.
People who are happy generally do not partake in polls, let alone polls with suggestive(negative) titles.
This means the participants for the poll are selected from a group that has the unhappy customers over-represented. This means the poll is inherently flawed and all people do in threads like this is nod to each other about how broken X or Y is.
Personal attacks won't change anything about that, even though you seem to think it might.
[EDIT] An even simpler way to explain it: If you are unhappy about cats and see a poll asking if you are happy with cats, you are much more inclined to participate than someone who is happy or indifferent about cats.
I won't waste another second of my time replying to your moronic posts Kris. Either leave the poll or continue babbling on rubbish, I don't care.
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LegendaryChef✭✭✭✭✭No, I do not enjoy pvp in its current state but play it anyway because I have nothing better to do.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Stay moist, angry school boy.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
You really don't seem to know how polls like this work, do you?LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Polls like this are inherently flawed because it's not a true random selection of participants. It's basically preaching to the choir. The sample size of 130 participants is also laughably small. Naturally this says nothing about the validity of PvP complaints. It's *** broken.RoamingRiverElk wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
I just explained that to you. I am an unhappy customer.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »Useless poll is useless since people happy with PvP feel way less inclined to participate here. However, people unhappy with the current state of PvP will most likely participate, skewing the results.
Why take part then? Are you not curious to know if people are actually enjoying the game or not? This is a LONGSHOT but maybe, just maybe, zos will see this. You never know.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias.
One would think that many of the most passionate players came to the forum in the first place because they wanted to talk about the game with others even when not in game (because they loved it and cared about it so much). So what does it say about the current state of PvP when the results of a poll like this are what they are?
[Edit: As for the topic itself... We Are ESO Podcast #3 nailed it. I'm glad there are now threads on the forums about the state of the game that reflect my own views and those of the people in my PvP guild (including the ones who have already quit...) - I keep hoping that ZOS will make some changes, but I'm definitely not counting on that.
I keep playing because of the people I've met here.
Can't wait for CU Beta to start.]
It is open to everyone that has a forum account? How is it flawed? People come to the forums all the time and not purely just to moan. Once again you have came to spread your negativity and useless feedback. If there was one person's opinion on these forums that I literally couldn't care less about it would be yours! So please before you start another "game" as you seem to always make it, remove yourself from my post and return your tail back to bed because I'm tired of listening to you.
Also the poll opened last night so yes there aren't that many participants yet.
People who are happy generally visit forums like this much less.
People who are happy generally do not partake in polls, let alone polls with suggestive(negative) titles.
This means the participants for the poll are selected from a group that has the unhappy customers over-represented. This means the poll is inherently flawed and all people do in threads like this is nod to each other about how broken X or Y is.
Personal attacks won't change anything about that, even though you seem to think it might.
[EDIT] An even simpler way to explain it: If you are unhappy about cats and see a poll asking if you are happy with cats, you are much more inclined to participate than someone who is happy or indifferent about cats.
I won't waste another second of my time replying to your moronic posts Kris. Either leave the poll or continue babbling on rubbish, I don't care.
Zzoro/Elliot Brown/Baldy ~Kitesquad/Noricum~
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Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, when my ping is not 364782.Lava_Croft wrote: »
You really don't seem to know how polls like this work, do you?LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Polls like this are inherently flawed because it's not a true random selection of participants. It's basically preaching to the choir. The sample size of 130 participants is also laughably small. Naturally this says nothing about the validity of PvP complaints. It's *** broken.RoamingRiverElk wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
I just explained that to you. I am an unhappy customer.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »Useless poll is useless since people happy with PvP feel way less inclined to participate here. However, people unhappy with the current state of PvP will most likely participate, skewing the results.
Why take part then? Are you not curious to know if people are actually enjoying the game or not? This is a LONGSHOT but maybe, just maybe, zos will see this. You never know.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias.
One would think that many of the most passionate players came to the forum in the first place because they wanted to talk about the game with others even when not in game (because they loved it and cared about it so much). So what does it say about the current state of PvP when the results of a poll like this are what they are?
[Edit: As for the topic itself... We Are ESO Podcast #3 nailed it. I'm glad there are now threads on the forums about the state of the game that reflect my own views and those of the people in my PvP guild (including the ones who have already quit...) - I keep hoping that ZOS will make some changes, but I'm definitely not counting on that.
I keep playing because of the people I've met here.
Can't wait for CU Beta to start.]
It is open to everyone that has a forum account? How is it flawed? People come to the forums all the time and not purely just to moan. Once again you have came to spread your negativity and useless feedback. If there was one person's opinion on these forums that I literally couldn't care less about it would be yours! So please before you start another "game" as you seem to always make it, remove yourself from my post and return your tail back to bed because I'm tired of listening to you.
Also the poll opened last night so yes there aren't that many participants yet.
People who are happy generally visit forums like this much less.
People who are happy generally do not partake in polls, let alone polls with suggestive(negative) titles.
This means the participants for the poll are selected from a group that has the unhappy customers over-represented. This means the poll is inherently flawed and all people do in threads like this is nod to each other about how broken X or Y is.
Personal attacks won't change anything about that, even though you seem to think it might.
[EDIT] An even simpler way to explain it: If you are unhappy about cats and see a poll asking if you are happy with cats, you are much more inclined to participate than someone who is happy or indifferent about cats.
Even with the samplesize being way to small the poll is not in a way fundamentally screwed that it has zero relevance. Not a single yes is still a highly unlikely event.<Noricum>
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Farorin✭✭✭✭✭It is ok, it needs a lot of work but I still enjoy it sometimes.I still enjoy it sometimes, although increasingly rarely. I have made a resolution not to pay them any more sub fee's, until they show some dedication to the PVP community and side of the game.0 -
FENGRUSH✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I have given up on pvp completely until they fix it.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Stay moist, angry school boy.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
You really don't seem to know how polls like this work, do you?LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Polls like this are inherently flawed because it's not a true random selection of participants. It's basically preaching to the choir. The sample size of 130 participants is also laughably small. Naturally this says nothing about the validity of PvP complaints. It's *** broken.RoamingRiverElk wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
I just explained that to you. I am an unhappy customer.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »Useless poll is useless since people happy with PvP feel way less inclined to participate here. However, people unhappy with the current state of PvP will most likely participate, skewing the results.
Why take part then? Are you not curious to know if people are actually enjoying the game or not? This is a LONGSHOT but maybe, just maybe, zos will see this. You never know.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias.
One would think that many of the most passionate players came to the forum in the first place because they wanted to talk about the game with others even when not in game (because they loved it and cared about it so much). So what does it say about the current state of PvP when the results of a poll like this are what they are?
[Edit: As for the topic itself... We Are ESO Podcast #3 nailed it. I'm glad there are now threads on the forums about the state of the game that reflect my own views and those of the people in my PvP guild (including the ones who have already quit...) - I keep hoping that ZOS will make some changes, but I'm definitely not counting on that.
I keep playing because of the people I've met here.
Can't wait for CU Beta to start.]
It is open to everyone that has a forum account? How is it flawed? People come to the forums all the time and not purely just to moan. Once again you have came to spread your negativity and useless feedback. If there was one person's opinion on these forums that I literally couldn't care less about it would be yours! So please before you start another "game" as you seem to always make it, remove yourself from my post and return your tail back to bed because I'm tired of listening to you.
Also the poll opened last night so yes there aren't that many participants yet.
People who are happy generally visit forums like this much less.
People who are happy generally do not partake in polls, let alone polls with suggestive(negative) titles.
This means the participants for the poll are selected from a group that has the unhappy customers over-represented. This means the poll is inherently flawed and all people do in threads like this is nod to each other about how broken X or Y is.
Personal attacks won't change anything about that, even though you seem to think it might.
[EDIT] An even simpler way to explain it: If you are unhappy about cats and see a poll asking if you are happy with cats, you are much more inclined to participate than someone who is happy or indifferent about cats.
I won't waste another second of my time replying to your moronic posts Kris. Either leave the poll or continue babbling on rubbish, I don't care.
I was suspended a few days ago for posting something just like this - just an FYI
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Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I have given up on pvp completely until they fix it.
I don't hold ZOS in very high regard, but I doubt they are too thick to notice the current level of unhappiness with PvP and are in need of yet another self-fulfilling poll and a thread that is nothing but people confirming each other's negative emotions regarding PvP.Lava_Croft wrote: »
You really don't seem to know how polls like this work, do you?LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Polls like this are inherently flawed because it's not a true random selection of participants. It's basically preaching to the choir. The sample size of 130 participants is also laughably small. Naturally this says nothing about the validity of PvP complaints. It's *** broken.RoamingRiverElk wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
I just explained that to you. I am an unhappy customer.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »Useless poll is useless since people happy with PvP feel way less inclined to participate here. However, people unhappy with the current state of PvP will most likely participate, skewing the results.
Why take part then? Are you not curious to know if people are actually enjoying the game or not? This is a LONGSHOT but maybe, just maybe, zos will see this. You never know.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias.
One would think that many of the most passionate players came to the forum in the first place because they wanted to talk about the game with others even when not in game (because they loved it and cared about it so much). So what does it say about the current state of PvP when the results of a poll like this are what they are?
[Edit: As for the topic itself... We Are ESO Podcast #3 nailed it. I'm glad there are now threads on the forums about the state of the game that reflect my own views and those of the people in my PvP guild (including the ones who have already quit...) - I keep hoping that ZOS will make some changes, but I'm definitely not counting on that.
I keep playing because of the people I've met here.
Can't wait for CU Beta to start.]
It is open to everyone that has a forum account? How is it flawed? People come to the forums all the time and not purely just to moan. Once again you have came to spread your negativity and useless feedback. If there was one person's opinion on these forums that I literally couldn't care less about it would be yours! So please before you start another "game" as you seem to always make it, remove yourself from my post and return your tail back to bed because I'm tired of listening to you.
Also the poll opened last night so yes there aren't that many participants yet.
People who are happy generally visit forums like this much less.
People who are happy generally do not partake in polls, let alone polls with suggestive(negative) titles.
This means the participants for the poll are selected from a group that has the unhappy customers over-represented. This means the poll is inherently flawed and all people do in threads like this is nod to each other about how broken X or Y is.
Personal attacks won't change anything about that, even though you seem to think it might.
[EDIT] An even simpler way to explain it: If you are unhappy about cats and see a poll asking if you are happy with cats, you are much more inclined to participate than someone who is happy or indifferent about cats.
Even with the samplesize being way to small the poll is not in a way fundamentally screwed that it has zero relevance. Not a single yes is still a highly unlikely event.
Constructive threads and streams such as the 'We are ESO' one are much more useful. Threads like this are nothing but a bunch of people standing in the rain, complaining about how wet it is.Edited by Lava_Croft on November 10, 2015 9:58PM0 -
Rust_in_Peace✭✭✭✭✭It is ok, it needs a lot of work but I still enjoy it sometimes.The game needs a lot of work and it's frustrating when things just don't work because of lag and other issues.
A lot of people I originally started playing this game with quit along with people I met while playing this game. It's really tough to keep going when people just drop like flies and the ones who do stick around tend to stick with their cliques and not play with anyone else. I can see why a lot of people chose to ball up because this community can be pretty toxic to each other at times; especially when people think they are better than everyone else. I'm not saying that everyone is a bad person but I think that a lot of frustration with the game itself just gets misdirected from one player to the next.
Hopefully ESO will get better and people will come back and we all have better things to do than blame each other for our mutual frustrations.1 -
RoamingRiverElk✭✭✭✭✭No, I do not enjoy pvp in its current state but play it anyway because I have nothing better to do.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Polls like this are inherently flawed because it's not a true random selection of participants. It's basically preaching to the choir. The sample size of 130 participants is also laughably small. Naturally this says nothing about the validity of PvP complaints. It's *** broken.RoamingRiverElk wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
I just explained that to you. I am an unhappy customer.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »Useless poll is useless since people happy with PvP feel way less inclined to participate here. However, people unhappy with the current state of PvP will most likely participate, skewing the results.
Why take part then? Are you not curious to know if people are actually enjoying the game or not? This is a LONGSHOT but maybe, just maybe, zos will see this. You never know.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias.
One would think that many of the most passionate players came to the forum in the first place because they wanted to talk about the game with others even when not in game (because they loved it and cared about it so much). So what does it say about the current state of PvP when the results of a poll like this are what they are?
[Edit: As for the topic itself... We Are ESO Podcast #3 nailed it. I'm glad there are now threads on the forums about the state of the game that reflect my own views and those of the people in my PvP guild (including the ones who have already quit...) - I keep hoping that ZOS will make some changes, but I'm definitely not counting on that.
I keep playing because of the people I've met here.
Can't wait for CU Beta to start.]Lava_Croft wrote: »
I don't hold ZOS in very high regard, but I doubt they are too thick to notice the current level of unhappiness with PvP and are in need of yet another self-fulfilling poll and a thread that is nothing but people confirming each other's negative emotions regarding PvP.Lava_Croft wrote: »
You really don't seem to know how polls like this work, do you?LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Polls like this are inherently flawed because it's not a true random selection of participants. It's basically preaching to the choir. The sample size of 130 participants is also laughably small. Naturally this says nothing about the validity of PvP complaints. It's *** broken.RoamingRiverElk wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
I just explained that to you. I am an unhappy customer.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »Useless poll is useless since people happy with PvP feel way less inclined to participate here. However, people unhappy with the current state of PvP will most likely participate, skewing the results.
Why take part then? Are you not curious to know if people are actually enjoying the game or not? This is a LONGSHOT but maybe, just maybe, zos will see this. You never know.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias.
One would think that many of the most passionate players came to the forum in the first place because they wanted to talk about the game with others even when not in game (because they loved it and cared about it so much). So what does it say about the current state of PvP when the results of a poll like this are what they are?
[Edit: As for the topic itself... We Are ESO Podcast #3 nailed it. I'm glad there are now threads on the forums about the state of the game that reflect my own views and those of the people in my PvP guild (including the ones who have already quit...) - I keep hoping that ZOS will make some changes, but I'm definitely not counting on that.
I keep playing because of the people I've met here.
Can't wait for CU Beta to start.]
It is open to everyone that has a forum account? How is it flawed? People come to the forums all the time and not purely just to moan. Once again you have came to spread your negativity and useless feedback. If there was one person's opinion on these forums that I literally couldn't care less about it would be yours! So please before you start another "game" as you seem to always make it, remove yourself from my post and return your tail back to bed because I'm tired of listening to you.
Also the poll opened last night so yes there aren't that many participants yet.
People who are happy generally visit forums like this much less.
People who are happy generally do not partake in polls, let alone polls with suggestive(negative) titles.
This means the participants for the poll are selected from a group that has the unhappy customers over-represented. This means the poll is inherently flawed and all people do in threads like this is nod to each other about how broken X or Y is.
Personal attacks won't change anything about that, even though you seem to think it might.
[EDIT] An even simpler way to explain it: If you are unhappy about cats and see a poll asking if you are happy with cats, you are much more inclined to participate than someone who is happy or indifferent about cats.
Even with the samplesize being way to small the poll is not in a way fundamentally screwed that it has zero relevance. Not a single yes is still a highly unlikely event.
Constructive threads and streams such as the 'We are ESO' one are much more useful. Threads like this are nothing but a bunch of people standing in the rain, complaining about how wet it is.
How else would people try to get their message across to ZOS by now? Yes, We Are ESO should certainly help, If Only ZOS Actually Listened To Them And Did What They Suggest...
But ZOS also needs to see that many *are* unhappy about the current state of PvP in ESO. But perhaps it's just mostly the people who have been playing the game for long and are sad to see it's become pretty much just about zergs... Maybe the zergers are obliviously happy - even despite the lag - and ZOS is fine letting PvP stay the way it is.
Remains to be seen what happens to guilds when those who have been playing for long and are good at the game leave - since it's likely they are officers and guild leaders of said guilds. Who will then help the new players with their builds, with crafting, leading, organizing events, answering questions etc.?Dalris Aalr - Magicka (Stamina) DK | Dalfish - Magicka Sorc | Dal Aalr - Magicka Warden | Dalrish - Mag/Stam NB | Irana Aalr - PvE Templar1 -
Nafirian✭✭✭✭✭It is ok, it needs a lot of work but I still enjoy it sometimes.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Stay moist, angry school boy.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
You really don't seem to know how polls like this work, do you?LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Polls like this are inherently flawed because it's not a true random selection of participants. It's basically preaching to the choir. The sample size of 130 participants is also laughably small. Naturally this says nothing about the validity of PvP complaints. It's *** broken.RoamingRiverElk wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
I just explained that to you. I am an unhappy customer.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »Useless poll is useless since people happy with PvP feel way less inclined to participate here. However, people unhappy with the current state of PvP will most likely participate, skewing the results.
Why take part then? Are you not curious to know if people are actually enjoying the game or not? This is a LONGSHOT but maybe, just maybe, zos will see this. You never know.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias.
One would think that many of the most passionate players came to the forum in the first place because they wanted to talk about the game with others even when not in game (because they loved it and cared about it so much). So what does it say about the current state of PvP when the results of a poll like this are what they are?
[Edit: As for the topic itself... We Are ESO Podcast #3 nailed it. I'm glad there are now threads on the forums about the state of the game that reflect my own views and those of the people in my PvP guild (including the ones who have already quit...) - I keep hoping that ZOS will make some changes, but I'm definitely not counting on that.
I keep playing because of the people I've met here.
Can't wait for CU Beta to start.]
It is open to everyone that has a forum account? How is it flawed? People come to the forums all the time and not purely just to moan. Once again you have came to spread your negativity and useless feedback. If there was one person's opinion on these forums that I literally couldn't care less about it would be yours! So please before you start another "game" as you seem to always make it, remove yourself from my post and return your tail back to bed because I'm tired of listening to you.
Also the poll opened last night so yes there aren't that many participants yet.
People who are happy generally visit forums like this much less.
People who are happy generally do not partake in polls, let alone polls with suggestive(negative) titles.
This means the participants for the poll are selected from a group that has the unhappy customers over-represented. This means the poll is inherently flawed and all people do in threads like this is nod to each other about how broken X or Y is.
Personal attacks won't change anything about that, even though you seem to think it might.
[EDIT] An even simpler way to explain it: If you are unhappy about cats and see a poll asking if you are happy with cats, you are much more inclined to participate than someone who is happy or indifferent about cats.
I won't waste another second of my time replying to your moronic posts Kris. Either leave the poll or continue babbling on rubbish, I don't care.
Zzorr secret wepon against Q_Q Master KrisEdited by Nafirian on November 10, 2015 10:25PM1 -
Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I have given up on pvp completely until they fix it.
This poll suggests nothing but the same message that has been conveyed to ZOS for quite a while already: People are unhappy with PvP. There's no discussions that we haven't had already, there no suggestions that haven't been made already. Threads like this are much like ESO's grind: Endless repetition.RoamingRiverElk wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Polls like this are inherently flawed because it's not a true random selection of participants. It's basically preaching to the choir. The sample size of 130 participants is also laughably small. Naturally this says nothing about the validity of PvP complaints. It's *** broken.RoamingRiverElk wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
I just explained that to you. I am an unhappy customer.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »Useless poll is useless since people happy with PvP feel way less inclined to participate here. However, people unhappy with the current state of PvP will most likely participate, skewing the results.
Why take part then? Are you not curious to know if people are actually enjoying the game or not? This is a LONGSHOT but maybe, just maybe, zos will see this. You never know.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias.
One would think that many of the most passionate players came to the forum in the first place because they wanted to talk about the game with others even when not in game (because they loved it and cared about it so much). So what does it say about the current state of PvP when the results of a poll like this are what they are?
[Edit: As for the topic itself... We Are ESO Podcast #3 nailed it. I'm glad there are now threads on the forums about the state of the game that reflect my own views and those of the people in my PvP guild (including the ones who have already quit...) - I keep hoping that ZOS will make some changes, but I'm definitely not counting on that.
I keep playing because of the people I've met here.
Can't wait for CU Beta to start.]Lava_Croft wrote: »
I don't hold ZOS in very high regard, but I doubt they are too thick to notice the current level of unhappiness with PvP and are in need of yet another self-fulfilling poll and a thread that is nothing but people confirming each other's negative emotions regarding PvP.Lava_Croft wrote: »
You really don't seem to know how polls like this work, do you?LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Polls like this are inherently flawed because it's not a true random selection of participants. It's basically preaching to the choir. The sample size of 130 participants is also laughably small. Naturally this says nothing about the validity of PvP complaints. It's *** broken.RoamingRiverElk wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
I just explained that to you. I am an unhappy customer.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »Useless poll is useless since people happy with PvP feel way less inclined to participate here. However, people unhappy with the current state of PvP will most likely participate, skewing the results.
Why take part then? Are you not curious to know if people are actually enjoying the game or not? This is a LONGSHOT but maybe, just maybe, zos will see this. You never know.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias.
One would think that many of the most passionate players came to the forum in the first place because they wanted to talk about the game with others even when not in game (because they loved it and cared about it so much). So what does it say about the current state of PvP when the results of a poll like this are what they are?
[Edit: As for the topic itself... We Are ESO Podcast #3 nailed it. I'm glad there are now threads on the forums about the state of the game that reflect my own views and those of the people in my PvP guild (including the ones who have already quit...) - I keep hoping that ZOS will make some changes, but I'm definitely not counting on that.
I keep playing because of the people I've met here.
Can't wait for CU Beta to start.]
It is open to everyone that has a forum account? How is it flawed? People come to the forums all the time and not purely just to moan. Once again you have came to spread your negativity and useless feedback. If there was one person's opinion on these forums that I literally couldn't care less about it would be yours! So please before you start another "game" as you seem to always make it, remove yourself from my post and return your tail back to bed because I'm tired of listening to you.
Also the poll opened last night so yes there aren't that many participants yet.
People who are happy generally visit forums like this much less.
People who are happy generally do not partake in polls, let alone polls with suggestive(negative) titles.
This means the participants for the poll are selected from a group that has the unhappy customers over-represented. This means the poll is inherently flawed and all people do in threads like this is nod to each other about how broken X or Y is.
Personal attacks won't change anything about that, even though you seem to think it might.
[EDIT] An even simpler way to explain it: If you are unhappy about cats and see a poll asking if you are happy with cats, you are much more inclined to participate than someone who is happy or indifferent about cats.
Even with the samplesize being way to small the poll is not in a way fundamentally screwed that it has zero relevance. Not a single yes is still a highly unlikely event.
Constructive threads and streams such as the 'We are ESO' one are much more useful. Threads like this are nothing but a bunch of people standing in the rain, complaining about how wet it is.
How else would people try to get their message across to ZOS by now? Yes, We Are ESO should certainly help, If Only ZOS Actually Listened To Them And Did What They Suggest...
But ZOS also needs to see that many *are* unhappy about the current state of PvP in ESO. But perhaps it's just mostly the people who have been playing the game for long and are sad to see it's become pretty much just about zergs... Maybe the zergers are obliviously happy - even despite the lag - and ZOS is fine letting PvP stay the way it is.
Remains to be seen what happens to guilds when those who have been playing for long and are good at the game leave - since it's likely they are officers and guild leaders of said guilds. Who will then help the new players with their builds, with crafting, leading, organizing events, answering questions etc.?
I don't think ZOS is fine at all with the current state of PvP. I really think they are willing, but incompetent. Wether the incompetence stems from not knowing how or not having the resources to, is for us to guess.
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BigTone✭✭✭✭It is ok, it needs a lot of work but I still enjoy it sometimes.Make it possible for small groups to wipe larger ones. Punish players for stacking in one spot.Big'Tone-V16 DC Sorc AR31
Sneaky'Tone-V16 DC NB AR22
Holy'Tone-V12 DC Temp
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LegendaryChef✭✭✭✭✭No, I do not enjoy pvp in its current state but play it anyway because I have nothing better to do.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Stay moist, angry school boy.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
You really don't seem to know how polls like this work, do you?LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Polls like this are inherently flawed because it's not a true random selection of participants. It's basically preaching to the choir. The sample size of 130 participants is also laughably small. Naturally this says nothing about the validity of PvP complaints. It's *** broken.RoamingRiverElk wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
I just explained that to you. I am an unhappy customer.LegendaryChef wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »Useless poll is useless since people happy with PvP feel way less inclined to participate here. However, people unhappy with the current state of PvP will most likely participate, skewing the results.
Why take part then? Are you not curious to know if people are actually enjoying the game or not? This is a LONGSHOT but maybe, just maybe, zos will see this. You never know.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias.
One would think that many of the most passionate players came to the forum in the first place because they wanted to talk about the game with others even when not in game (because they loved it and cared about it so much). So what does it say about the current state of PvP when the results of a poll like this are what they are?
[Edit: As for the topic itself... We Are ESO Podcast #3 nailed it. I'm glad there are now threads on the forums about the state of the game that reflect my own views and those of the people in my PvP guild (including the ones who have already quit...) - I keep hoping that ZOS will make some changes, but I'm definitely not counting on that.
I keep playing because of the people I've met here.
Can't wait for CU Beta to start.]
It is open to everyone that has a forum account? How is it flawed? People come to the forums all the time and not purely just to moan. Once again you have came to spread your negativity and useless feedback. If there was one person's opinion on these forums that I literally couldn't care less about it would be yours! So please before you start another "game" as you seem to always make it, remove yourself from my post and return your tail back to bed because I'm tired of listening to you.
Also the poll opened last night so yes there aren't that many participants yet.
People who are happy generally visit forums like this much less.
People who are happy generally do not partake in polls, let alone polls with suggestive(negative) titles.
This means the participants for the poll are selected from a group that has the unhappy customers over-represented. This means the poll is inherently flawed and all people do in threads like this is nod to each other about how broken X or Y is.
Personal attacks won't change anything about that, even though you seem to think it might.
[EDIT] An even simpler way to explain it: If you are unhappy about cats and see a poll asking if you are happy with cats, you are much more inclined to participate than someone who is happy or indifferent about cats.
I won't waste another second of my time replying to your moronic posts Kris. Either leave the poll or continue babbling on rubbish, I don't care.
I was suspended a few days ago for posting something just like this - just an FYI
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k2blader✭✭✭✭✭It is ok, it needs a lot of work but I still enjoy it sometimes.Emphasis on "needs a lot of work." The more immediate stuff:
- Fix bugs and exploits. There is a massive PvP-breaking one going on as we speak..
- Fix lag/latency/ping/fr issues (whatever you want to call it). One weird related problem is after an hour or two of playing, the ground in Cyrodiil will start to look like it's melting into pools of muted colors. The only way to fix it is to relog.
- Reward PvP a LOT better (e.g. increased XP, quicker rewards for the worthy mails, increased XP/AP/gold for low pop players, etc..)
-Disabling the grass may improve performance.0 -
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✭✭✭✭It is ok, it needs a lot of work but I still enjoy it sometimes.The fix one thing, break two things reality of any changes they make doesn't instill much confidence in their ability to make this game what it could be.
It's disappointing that most are only around because the MMO market is trash right now, and this is the best option.Edited by Sallington on November 11, 2015 3:41AMDaggerfall Covenant
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