Another Skoria Set Nerf

Sharkano

So they stealth nerfed Skoria set today by dramatically reducing the number of damage tics on a bunch of skills. They say in the patch notes the overall damage will be the same, and this may be true as far as the skills themselves go, but it hoses the Skoria set again (which already lost 1/3 of its damage in a prior nerf). This is particularly bad for DK's, as they generally use the most dots, and thus benefit most from that set. Thanks, ZOS, for yet another hosing of DK's. The way this company hoses sets we spend a lot of time getting, and doing it over and over and over again is very disheartening.

Ashtaris

So I guess I don't understand. If they reduce the number of damage tics but increase the damage of each tic that does occur so that the overall damage is the same, how is this a nerf?

Oh_Skrivva

Because Storia has chance to proc per each tick. I stopped using Storia on my dk anyway and use kena set or Nerenith.

AfkNinja

This is also a direct nerf to any class that has on hit passive effects like Templar and Sorcerer. Burning Light will now proc less on Blazing Spear. Thank you ZOS, I love nerfs.

_Chaos

Ashtaris wrote: »

So I guess I don't understand. If they reduce the number of damage tics but increase the damage of each tic that does occur so that the overall damage is the same, how is this a nerf?

Skoria procs on ticks

less ticks = less procs

Make moar sense meow?

Joy_Division

It has been this way ever since the IC Launch.

Yes they were told.

No they don't care.

acw37162

Skoria procs a meator attack based of any DOT attack procs.

The more dot profs the more chances to summon a meator fewer dot procs equals fewer chances.

zward887_ESO

Ashtaris wrote: »

So I guess I don't understand. If they reduce the number of damage tics but increase the damage of each tic that does occur so that the overall damage is the same, how is this a nerf?

Valkyn Skoria sets procs off dot ticks.

4% chance when damaging an enemy with a damage over time effect to call a meteor dealing (720.0) Flame Damage to target and (360.0) Flame Damage to other nearby enemies

By reducing the number of dot ticks on certain abilities it directly reduces the number of chances the set has to drop down the meteor. This reduces the damage potential of the 2 pc set bonus, an indirect nerf.

Gilliamtherogue

Joy_Division wrote: »

It has been this way ever since the IC Launch.

Yes they were told.

No they don't care.

Keep in mind FTC cuts out damage sources past 10 seperate damage sources. Anything under the 10th recorded damage isn't displayed in the pull down menu, but is still recorded.

Notice if you add up all the damage sources in your FTC post you get 1,208,437 damage, but FTC recorded 1,277,209. Almost 70k damage isn't being shown because of FTC's API limits. Valkyns definitely procced on that parse if you were wearing it, and with the nerfed set ~5k per proc (assuming true damage) it probably procced roughly 10-14 times. 14/236 = ~6% proc chance. Valkyns is at a 4% proc. Myth busted.

Sharkano

Just as an FYI so there is no confusion, the issue of the number of set procs I called out is completely different than the one noted by the guy posting pictures and the "myth buster" follow. My issue is not related to what skills actually proc Skoria, but on the skills that do proc it, how often can they proc? By drastically cutting the number of procs, they are hosing Skoria yet again. They may also be nerfing other class skills that trigger off proc volume, but that is not a topic I know much about. Whoever runs this place should be called "The Grinch" because all he does is take away stuff all the friggin time.

Ashtaris

OK, got it So would increasing the chance of the set to proc be a solution? Getting ZOS to implement such a equipment change won't be easy. And I can understand your concern. It's hard enough to get the Skoria pieces, then to have them nerfed really doesn't motivate one to complete Vet COA.

Sharkano

Ashtaris, it would be a solution, but they will never do it. They only trash sets, never fix them. They have a long, long history of this

Derra

Another templar nerf (did templars really need nerfing?) - less burning light proccs on spears now.

People at ZOS are so clueless.

rager82b14_ESO

If the nerf makes the game run better. Good.


I wonder how many of you won't notice any changes in that area.

Oh_Skrivva

@Derra well at least less burning light procs on blazing spear according to the patch notes. Only blazing spear and radiant destruction has less tics. Radiant doesn't proc burning light. For single target dps, nothing really will change to much for templars. But still any nerd sucks.

Oh_Skrivva

Also I wonder how less dot ticks will help game run smoother now. and if it actually does, It took them this long to realize this? This type of change seems like something that should have been implemented a long time ago. Seems like a band aid fix to me and would probably wouldn't change the stability of game.

Joy_Division

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

It has been this way ever since the IC Launch.

Yes they were told.

No they don't care.

Keep in mind FTC cuts out damage sources past 10 seperate damage sources. Anything under the 10th recorded damage isn't displayed in the pull down menu, but is still recorded.

Notice if you add up all the damage sources in your FTC post you get 1,208,437 damage, but FTC recorded 1,277,209. Almost 70k damage isn't being shown because of FTC's API limits. Valkyns definitely procced on that parse if you were wearing it, and with the nerfed set ~5k per proc (assuming true damage) it probably procced roughly 10-14 times. 14/236 = ~6% proc chance. Valkyns is at a 4% proc. Myth busted.

Pre IC:

On my DK post IC, it procs much less frequently:



8 ticks in a 167 second fight. Once every 20 seconds.

Also: the damage not being shown in the Templar pic is the Blazing spear Dot and the light attacks from my swords. Myth Confirmed.

Tankqull

Derra wrote: »

Another templar nerf (did templars really need nerfing?) - less burning light proccs on spears now.

People at ZOS are so clueless.

well burning light is a nice dmg add but i can live with it in the greater goal of this change - lessen the server stress in pvp by reducing the number of dmg checks provided by GTAEs. and especially those 0.5sec gtaes are stressfull...

Oh_Skrivva

I'm starting to think they are nerfing sets we like to force us to grind for the new stuff. Busy work. I bet now that I've finally completed the new sets for this current meta the nerfing on those sets will follow.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

If the nerf makes the game run better. Good.


I wonder how many of you won't notice any changes in that area.

So the game runs better when fewer sets proc and fewer players play. Um ok, I guess. If you call that progress.

Cinbri

I have super cool question - how you activating ftc damage recording tab?

GaldorP

Joy_Division wrote: »

It has been this way ever since the IC Launch.

Yes they were told.

No they don't care.

It seems Skoria was stealth nerfed in some way with the launch of IC based on that screenshot. However, some of the changes to skills ticking only once per second now instead of twice per second are new and have been added with today's patch. On the EU server, where the patch hasn't been applied yet, my Eruption skill still ticks twice per second. So this might be an additional (probably unintended) nerf to the Valkyn Skoria set or it might not be, depending on how exactly Skoria was nerfed at the launch of IC.

Hiero_Glyph

Is anyone really surprised that ZOS failed to make any balance adjustments to the passives/procs that are affected by this change?

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

Is anyone really surprised that ZOS failed to make any balance adjustments to the passives/procs that are affected by this change?

Usually when you make a change, you check for side affects or secondary effects that are affected by your change.

But that kind of due diligence only happens in companies that care about QA and are actually bound by their customers, the government, or a self imposed industry wide regulatory body.

WTB ISO standards for gaming software development.

SirDopey

Yeah, all set items and passives that had a chance to proc off DoTs need those percentage chances to increase now to match the DoT tick reductions...

Oreyn_Bearclaw

They stealth nerfed it last patch? It has been a worthless set since IC dropped. It went from proc'ing once ever 10 seconds to once a minute if you are lucky. And that is with a DK DoT build. If they cant make use of Skoria, nobody can...

Ruben

Joy_Division wrote: »

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8 ticks in a 167 second fight. Once every 20 seconds.

Remember that there is a cooldown after every meteor, so a nice bunch of ticks do not even count.

Tryxus

Well look on the bright side...


... at least you don't have to endlessy farm for it anymore and deal with the disappointment of not finding it

EDS604

Cinbri wrote: »

I have super cool question - how you activating ftc damage recording tab?

go to controls > keybindings > scroll down until you find FTC > bind a key to display dmg report.

OrphanHelgen

Same with critical hits. the more ticks, the more critical hit proccs you get, and is also a guaranteed crit on a dot.
What was the reason for this change?

Malmai

Sharkano wrote: »

So they stealth nerfed Skoria set today by dramatically reducing the number of damage tics on a bunch of skills. They say in the patch notes the overall damage will be the same, and this may be true as far as the skills themselves go, but it hoses the Skoria set again (which already lost 1/3 of its damage in a prior nerf). This is particularly bad for DK's, as they generally use the most dots, and thus benefit most from that set. Thanks, ZOS, for yet another hosing of DK's. The way this company hoses sets we spend a lot of time getting, and doing it over and over and over again is very disheartening.

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