eso might not last like world of warcraft

sagent64

i guess eso wont last long if they keep changing the gameplay people use to be playing and reaspn why stay playing the game ...

so now they made another changes in pvp i just tried the new pvp system in non vet blackwater today nov 4 after exploring the new map
and this is not like the same elder scroll online i playd before ..
before the patch i can match and beat 300 +champion points in duel with 60% winning rate though i only have 5 cp..
but now i duel lots of them again and ended up getting two hits or 3 ...

so yeah good bye eso ill just give my account to my friend ..

eso should focus fixing the bugs not changing the game system..
eso also should also try to get some advice or feedback from hardcore players like deltia or sypher..

well thats all bye

Sithisvoid

Deltia and sypher are the ones dishing out advice already as far as i know ZOS listens to them. I know for a fact Deltia preached the seasonal CP cap right here on the forums http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/190619/the-day-eso-dies

rager82b14_ESO

UO is still going.
EQ is still going.

I agree that bugs should get focus on.

Many things I don't like about this game. (Aoe cap, but no heal aoe cap? What?) However, many people enjoy the game and will keep doing it. No matter if you yourself don't like it.

MrDerrikk

Sithisvoid wrote: »

Deltia and sypher are the ones dishing out advice already as far as i know ZOS listens to them. I know for a fact Deltia preached the seasonal CP cap right here on the forums http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/190619/the-day-eso-dies

And Deltia is thinking that he might move on from ESO because of the direction they are going

Alucardo

MrDerrikk wrote: »

And Deltia is thinking that he might move on from ESO because of the direction they are going

Isn't eso pretty much his life? I'd be more inclined to think he'd try and get them to change their minds instead of just giving up. Well, I hope he would.

Sithisvoid

MrDerrikk wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

Deltia and sypher are the ones dishing out advice already as far as i know ZOS listens to them. I know for a fact Deltia preached the seasonal CP cap right here on the forums http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/190619/the-day-eso-dies

And Deltia is thinking that he might move on from ESO because of the direction they are going

Well he's the one who sent them there. Ironic and typical

MrDerrikk

Alucardo wrote: »

Isn't eso pretty much his life? I'd be more inclined to think he'd try and get them to change their minds instead of just giving up. Well, I hope he would.

Sithisvoid wrote: »

Well he's the one who sent them there. Ironic and typical

He mentioned it at the bottom of this recent post, in which he also says he's having a kid, so I guess less time in ESO for him?
deltiasgaming.com/2015/11/03/taking-a-break/

temjiu

Wow is a freak of nature (at least as far as MMO's are concerned). Although I certainly applaud many of the directions they went, and I can't argue with their continued existence en large, at the same time i can't say that I enjoyed what they did to "keep it alive". I stopped playing back in the BC days (early wrath), as i didn't like what it was evolving into. IMO the games continued existence is more due to Blizzard's ability to create addictive games then it is the natural success of the game itself.

This game will change. All MMO's change, and this one has allot of it to do. It almost tanked early on, and it's still struggling for a solid sense of identity in a harsh MMO market where it tries to be the eccentric one. Best way to see it is the game is currently in a state of survival based evolution. So if you happen to jump into it in the middle of this process...yes, the game will change a great deal, and if you don't like it's direction, then perhaps it's time to try something else. I have done that in the past ( I did it with this game early in it's lifecycle), and I have no qualms with doing it again if I don't like what they end up with.

But it doesn't mean the game is bad per-se....just not for you at that time.

Van_0S

Wait, I didn't know they made change to PvP after the patch. No wonder, I am dying a lot.

Molag_Crow

I dunno about that... Played WoW for over 8 yrs on & off, and ESO for 5 months. Both games are on a completely different level in my opinion, so comparing them is kinda pointless since Blizzard (*cough* Activision, mainly) has completely sucked the life out of WoW for as much money as they can squeeze out of its remains, since the game technically 'died' years ago.

The newest DLC with ESO has brought the game back on track, apart from PvP at the moment, of course... that's still quite a mess along with all the bugs, to name a few

• (Consoles) Spell effects' visuals such as Purifying Ritual, Flaming Oil, Coldharbor ballista/treb, Eclipse, Blazing Shield, Crystal frags, Rune of Focus[/b] etc etc will vanish at certain points of gameplay while in Cyrodiil, around 10-20+ players. This includes the texture of the grass disappearing and loading slowly, so one has to reboot the game/close application, and I doubt anybody knows what causes it.
• Mist Form not granting 75% damage reduction, it's more like 20% and it doesn't entirely make you immune to control effects like it states on the tooltip.
• Siege Weapons not doing enough damage, although that's being worked on apparently: (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/228158/buff-siege-weapon-damage-against-players#latest)
• Animation Cancelling & CC Immunity not working properly.
• Gap closers causing an initial 1.5 second stun despite the target having CC Immunity, causing them to be unable to cast/move if the gap closer is spammed, like Surprise Attack.
• Wrecking Blow Spammers hitting 8-15k damage per second on Light armor wearers, does not help when you're 1vX-ing and one of your enemies is spamming WB.
• Etc

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

WoW needs to die. It's already been dead it's being kept alive like that one creepy story from the 60's about that one guy keeping that womans body in his basement...

ESO has alot of potential to it, but they're having a hard time finding their footing. They expected skyrim to translate into MMO fairly easily but far from the case, and they're facing pressure from both longterm fans and WoWbabies who want instant gratification like yesterday. I'm desperately hoping THAT generation can be weaned off of such retardedness. WoW's done nothing but exacerbate the problem to line their pockets and they've cut so many corners in their game I could write a *** novel detailing how disgusted I am with what its turned into.

ESO's greatest strength is its lore and locales. It plays on nostalgia like no other franchise because it has a deeply rooted history. It's history is fairly well established, you see a place you've been to in a previous game, and you know its there and that it has a story to it. Unlike WoW they keep uprooting their entire established lore and gutting what made their franchises so endearing in the first place. ESO will work because diehard fans like myself and others will MAKE it work, and all the negative nancies can just find something else to satisfy their fix. there's plenty of choices out there.

ESO is trying something fairly new with its skills and combat systems. WoW on the other hand aped heavily off of EQ, UO,and WHO, and still does to this day infact. Nothing in WoW is original, pulled out of the imagination from scratch. Everything is a popculture reference or 'Xname with a "ar, or yl, or or" attached tot he end to make it 'sound' different.

Taemethius

Didnt deltia quit to go raise chickens or something? 3100 loss in champion points will do it.

MrDerrikk

Taemethius wrote: »

Didnt deltia quit to go raise chickens or something? 3100 loss in champion points will do it.

He's having a kid, that'll generally throw things out a bit

RedTalon

What's a WOW?

But the truth is it takes a lot for a mmo to shut down fully, there are some still going that are acient and older then that one

And given the owners of the IP have direct control over the game it may not shut down for awhile.

UltimaJoe777

The only reason WoW is still going is because they have those tournaments where people actually have a chance to make money. They're basically paying their players to play their game.

Prometheus33

Feel free to play with cartoon pandas then...

I've played that thing too for 8 years, it got ridiculous later. You can't compare ESO and WOW.

You had your time while you were at %60 W/L, things change. I changed my skills 5 times already, it's in the nature of those games. You just need to research, fail couple of times and find the best way to have fun again.

Oh and, can I have your items^^ your friend will quit soon too as you will probably complain to him too, best to give them to me:)

Levo18

I dont care im a elder scrolls fan and i will keep playing until they shut the servers down.

Sausage

Ive faith in ESO. I think ES6 is going to boost ESO's population alot in the future, if ESO cant do it, nothing can. Zen just needs to keep the population in mind, doesnt split it too much, and we should do just fine, not to mention keep the new and casual players in mind too, eventually those become the backbone of the game when HC/vets leaves.

Vrienda

Seems like a L2P issue.

Marrtha

Lol I am still addicted to WoW even though I try not to play it, instead I play ESO but the *** withdrawals...

But this thread is, summed up:

Aeula wrote: »

Seems like a L2P issue.

ladyonthemoon

Levo18 wrote: »

I dont care im a elder scrolls fan and i will keep playing until they shut the servers down.

Indeed! And when the whiners are gone, we will be between us.

Wolfshead

sagent64 wrote: »

i guess eso wont last long if they keep changing the gameplay people use to be playing and reaspn why stay playing the game ...

so now they made another changes in pvp i just tried the new pvp system in non vet blackwater today nov 4 after exploring the new map
and this is not like the same elder scroll online i playd before ..
before the patch i can match and beat 300 +champion points in duel with 60% winning rate though i only have 5 cp..
but now i duel lots of them again and ended up getting two hits or 3 ...

so yeah good bye eso ill just give my account to my friend ..

eso should focus fixing the bugs not changing the game system..
eso also should also try to get some advice or feedback from hardcore players like deltia or sypher..

well thats all bye

Well sagent64 since i start play back in 1999 "god i feel old now " one thing that always get change in mmo is the pvp if mmo have pvp just look at WoW almost very patch the put the change pvp so honest it is no big news to anyone that have been around the mmo world.

Only get advice from hardcore player is worst thing a mmo company can do for at the end of day it is not hardcore player the pay for game for hardcore player is a very little % of game community a good mmo compnay listen to very one and not just select few for the will never get whole picture of a problem.

Bug is always on going process if you fix 1 bug you need to be sure that the fix dont make more bug and so on.

I also think of gave your account to friend is break agains those EULA agreement you say yes to when you install the game.

k2blader

Sithisvoid wrote: »

MrDerrikk wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

Deltia and sypher are the ones dishing out advice already as far as i know ZOS listens to them. I know for a fact Deltia preached the seasonal CP cap right here on the forums http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/190619/the-day-eso-dies

And Deltia is thinking that he might move on from ESO because of the direction they are going

Well he's the one who sent them there. Ironic and typical

He made a great post on the CP system and its faults. If that is the reason he is less than enthralled by the game I don't blame him. I think this game is probably quite good for folks who don't care about endgame or PvP. Otherwise, it's messed up.

k2blader

MrDerrikk wrote: »

Taemethius wrote: »

Didnt deltia quit to go raise chickens or something? 3100 loss in champion points will do it.

He's having a kid, that'll generally throw things out a bit

Ohhhh yeah, that'll do it! If so good for him!

Darkonflare15

MrDerrikk wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

Deltia and sypher are the ones dishing out advice already as far as i know ZOS listens to them. I know for a fact Deltia preached the seasonal CP cap right here on the forums http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/190619/the-day-eso-dies

And Deltia is thinking that he might move on from ESO because of the direction they are going

Yeah. He did not like the fact that in Orsinium you can get good gear by yourself. He likes playing the game with friends and in a group. Which is fair but not everybody can continue to have fun in this mmo like him. A lot of my friends got tired of trying to find people to do the group content in this game and when you lose friends you either have to find new ones or give up on doing the content until your friends come back. The sad part is trying to look for competent people is time consuming and is not fun. So I have to rely on doing single player content but problem is I have done all of the content that I can do solo. So Orsinium is looking like a great way to pass time while I looking for groups to do group content.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

MrDerrikk wrote: »

Sithisvoid wrote: »

Deltia and sypher are the ones dishing out advice already as far as i know ZOS listens to them. I know for a fact Deltia preached the seasonal CP cap right here on the forums http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/190619/the-day-eso-dies

And Deltia is thinking that he might move on from ESO because of the direction they are going

Yeah. He did not like the fact that in Orsinium you can get good gear by yourself. He likes playing the game with friends and in a group. Which is fair but not everybody can continue to have fun in this mmo like him. A lot of my friends got tired of trying to find people to do the group content in this game and when you lose friends you either have to find new ones or give up on doing the content until your friends come back. The sad part is trying to look for competent people is time consuming and is not fun. So I have to rely on doing single player content but problem is I have done all of the content that I can do solo. So Orsinium is looking like a great way to pass time while I looking for groups to do group content.

that's kind of a pathetic reason to complain. Yes it is stupid to lose time because of a flaky group, and yes you have every right to get good gear if you put in the work for it. INCLUDING SOLOING. I know trying to get some pvp friends to do any form of PVE content even soloing dolmens is like pulling teeth. Reading how some pvpers find the Orsinium content 'impossible' to do, I wonder if thats why its so easy for me; because I'm used to a blend of both.

die-hard, hardcore pvpers like that just aren't going to be able to adapt. They want everything to come from PVP, even potions and food. It's kind of sad and stupid.

Skiserony

If ESO keeps releasing DLC like the last few months, I'm sure this game will get more populated. I hope they keep us this awesome work. Remember the time they didn't release anything for like 10months or more? That was way too long. And now they released IC and Orsinium in a pretty short period, that's pretty awesome.

They are fixing the CP system now too, it's fairly easy now for people to catch up to the 500CP. They're fixing slowly bug by bug in the game, but it is hard to do so when there's a class imbalance. Which is perfectly normal if you see how much the game has changed the last year. Even the class imbalance is improving a lot, but I cannot imagine how hard that is, buffing something will nerf something else and vice versa. And people will complain.

Anyway, ESO is going a good direction imo, and to be honest, this game has (one of) the best combat gameplay mechanics of all games which is why I keep playing this game. The theorycrafting, the many many possibilities, the testing, the stat monitoring, the crafting, the search for sets and weapons, the challenges for those sets and weapons. And the amount of sets are growing too.

Most importantly, even though there's a crown store with quite expensive stuff in it, I really like how you can still enjoy the game not being forced to put more money in to it than pruchasing the game itself. Common, I mean it's a great quality game for B2P, and when you do sub there's even more.

Way to go ZoS, I wonder where the game will be in another year.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

Skiserony wrote: »

If ESO keeps releasing DLC like the last few months, I'm sure this game will get more populated. I hope they keep us this awesome work. Remember the time they didn't release anything for like 10months or more? That was way too long. And now they released IC and Orsinium in a pretty short period, that's pretty awesome.

They are fixing the CP system now too, it's fairly easy now for people to catch up to the 500CP. They're fixing slowly bug by bug in the game, but it is hard to do so when there's a class imbalance. Which is perfectly normal if you see how much the game has changed the last year. Even the class imbalance is improving a lot, but I cannot imagine how hard that is, buffing something will nerf something else and vice versa. And people will complain.

Anyway, ESO is going a good direction imo, and to be honest, this game has (one of) the best combat gameplay mechanics of all games which is why I keep playing this game. The theorycrafting, the many many possibilities, the testing, the stat monitoring, the crafting, the search for sets and weapons, the challenges for those sets and weapons. And the amount of sets are growing too.

Most importantly, even though there's a crown store with quite expensive stuff in it, I really like how you can still enjoy the game not being forced to put more money in to it than pruchasing the game itself. Common, I mean it's a great quality game for B2P, and when you do sub there's even more.

Way to go ZoS, I wonder where the game will be in another year.

Thieve's guild. And maybe Dark Brotherhood/Morag Tong, so I can kill some of these *** in EP that *** me off. because not everyone can have Liam Neeson Special Skillz

Robo_Hobo

I think they're in a pretty safe position, personally. I imagine a large amount of the people who bought the game did so with the reason that it's an Elder Scrolls game in mind. So if that's the case, any time the game releases new DLC expanding the lands and giving more of what the Elder Scrolls fans wanted the game for the first place, then naturally they'd have a reason to buy the DLC.

The people who bought it/play it only for the PvP/Competitive PvE, with the TES aspects having little to do with that choice, they might go to future games or other games that offer those kinds of things better in the future - or they might not, if they like it here more. The point is though that even if they do leave, the TES players would always have a reason to keep buying the new DLC's regardless of whatever new MMO's or other games come out - even other Elder Scrolls games like TES6. It's not like TES6 coming out would stop me from buying an Eslweyr ESO expansion DLC, or vise versa.

When it was subscription-based they'd have to worry about retaining players 100% of the time, but now with the DLC approach, they only have to really worry about keeping them coming back. Someone who only comes back for DLC releases and quits one month afterwards brings in about the same amount of money as someone who played through the whole gap (unless the latter is an ESO plus member, or either of them buy Crown store items).

CherryCake

I dont think so, I tried WOW and I can only say that at least for me, the people in ESO seem a lot more friendly and open than the ones in WOW, there are mostly elitists that dont make the game fun to play anymore, and take everything EXTREMELY serious. Sure, ESO could improve, everything can improve, but at the end of the day, I would choose it over wow with no doubt.
(And for me the people in an online game, do make a lot of difference)


Now please dont throw rotten vegetables at me for saying this.

Taemethius

Eso will be out for the life of the consoles this generation. They have the potential to make this game last. I have played gw,wow,ff but I have to say the makers of eso sure do listen to fan feedback.

All they need to do no is get some testers that actually play the game.