Zenimax, I guess it is time now.

NinjaApacHe

That you put the cost of materials to craft level VR16 items at the same ratio of other levels. With that cost so high (100/150 pieces of rubedo leather, ruby ash, rubedite) you are just feeding gold sellers. Please it's been nice: they became rich. Now let us craft our stuff.

Rivan12

Its not that bad man, resource nodes are avail for anyone with skill points. The prices will plummet, just watch.

Furor

I'll probably be one of the few but I like the fact that these materials are so rare. There is actual meaning for gearing up and making me put extra thought into which items I want to craft. Seeing as Julianos is widely considered some of the Best In Slot gear setup. It shouldn't be created in 10 minutes of gathering...

Feel free to hate on me

Markaeus

It has been stated many times in ESO live episodes and also by ZOS employees that the reason behind making the Vet 16 crafted pieces so 'expensive' in the way of mats is to put the difficulty of getting them on par with the same level dropped sets.. They equalized the 'power' of the top tier gear, both crafted and dropped.. so they equalized the amount of time that you had to spend getting them.. previously getting a full set of top tier crafted gear was MUCH easier than getting top tier dropped sets.. That being said, I highly doubt they will lower the crafting cost for the Vet 16 gear.. the change was intentional and likely not to change

Sithisvoid

Furor wrote: »

I'll probably be one of the few but I like the fact that these materials are so rare. There is actual meaning for gearing up and making me put extra thought into which items I want to craft. Seeing as Julianos is widely considered some of the Best In Slot gear setup. It shouldn't be created in 10 minutes of gathering...

Feel free to hate on me

Yeah well it's not ten minutes of gathering. 6 traits takes some time to research. That's enough of a penalty already

Markaeus wrote: »

It has been stated many times in ESO live episodes and also by ZOS employees that the reason behind making the Vet 16 crafted pieces so 'expensive' in the way of mats is to put the difficulty of getting them on par with the same level dropped sets.. They equalized the 'power' of the top tier gear, both crafted and dropped.. so they equalized the amount of time that you had to spend getting them.. previously getting a full set of top tier crafted gear was MUCH easier than getting top tier dropped sets.. That being said, I highly doubt they will lower the crafting cost for the Vet 16 gear.. the change was intentional and likely not to change

What about research times? Are those "On par" with dropped set items? I think not

NinjaApacHe

I smell some sort of sellers here..... . To me it is ridicoulous, but if you think it is right that a person should pass his time farming instead of delving, pvping and levelling alts,, go on and get rich selling resources. Orsinium is the heaven for gold sellers: you can see them jumping and sprinting around, getting all the nodes quickly. Every public dungeon is full of farming groups to get crafting pages and sell them for thousands gold on the guild stores. Money, money, money! But the vocal minority likes it, so be it.

OrphanHelgen

I think its fine the way it is

helediron

ZOS increased drop rates in WGT by 250%. Now it s harder to make crafted gear than farming vWGT.

Sausage

On PS4 priced started at 1k per mat, then it went to 500 quick fast, I was able to sell for 600, now its under 500, like 400-450. Soon theres more mats than players, so relax.

Markaeus

All I know is what I've heard and seen from ZOS and that was their intention.. no point in complaining and asking for changes.. likely wont happen.. it's the way the game is made and set up.. now just gotta do what is needed to get the gear you want.

WillhelmBlack

I still haven't got VR16 gear lol. It'll be a while since it's all crafted!

Gyudan

Furor wrote: »

I'll probably be one of the few but I like the fact that these materials are so rare. There is actual meaning for gearing up and making me put extra thought into which items I want to craft. Seeing as Julianos is widely considered some of the Best In Slot gear setup. It shouldn't be created in 10 minutes of gathering...

Feel free to hate on me

Even 10 hours of gathering aren't enough to craft a VR16 set. The cost is too high imo.

Stonesthrow

So you have to work at it to get something good... I like it.

Still haven't made a FULL VR16 set yet, but I'm not hard core… HARD CORE! Sorry, habit.

In it for the fun and the long haul.

jakeedmundson

Furor wrote: »

I'll probably be one of the few but I like the fact that these materials are so rare. There is actual meaning for gearing up and making me put extra thought into which items I want to craft. Seeing as Julianos is widely considered some of the Best In Slot gear setup. It shouldn't be created in 10 minutes of gathering...

Feel free to hate on me

I don't disagree that it should take more to make v16 gear... but 10x seems like a little much.
If you want to do a new build at v16? make a set that wasn't the best to use? .... it's not going to be fun to RE do all the gathering.

JamilaRaj

Furor wrote: »

I'll probably be one of the few but I like the fact that these materials are so rare. There is actual meaning for gearing up and making me put extra thought into which items I want to craft.

Which is however by-product of P2W business model and will eventually backfire. If stuff from paid zones is relatively rare (aside from powerful), it makes these zones more desirable. A player could get some whitout buying DLCs by trading with players who bought DLCs, but in order to raise money/resrouces to pay for rare and therefore expensive stuff, he would have to farm something valuable for exchange as well, which would turn up to be hard without buying DLCs, because everything in base game would be a) relatively abundant or b) obsolete, mostly both. So it is either to pay and gear up or not pay and not gear up. Power difference between DLC gear and base game gear is paid for advantage.
But, ironically, players who pay will suffer in the end too, because they will be fed content that will obsolete previous content and introduce ever more powerful gear that adds nothing to the game but need to invest more and more time into increasingly more...not even difficult, just annoying grind, while ZOS will introduce convenient shortcuts to the cash shop for the rich, taking away that 'actual meaning".
With this business model, anything "difficult" is extremely fishy.

Alucardo

Furor wrote: »

Feel free to hate on me

Why would any one hate on you for having an opinion? You're safe bro. It's ok, no need to fear.

Makkir

Right now is a good time to capitalize on the resources as prices will tank once everyone has their new crafted gear. Be patient on the new gear, and craft it when the prices plummet.

Sotha_Sil

Price was halved in IC. Farm in the sewers

RatedChaotic

Farm more IC.

SahrotRein

Just like was said previously, solo farm Sewers and you can afford them with an ease, even more so now that their price has been reduced to half, which surprised me as I didn't know about it. Had 35k tvs banked for new Orsinium gear, having to withdraw only around 17k, imagine, if it wasn't halved, it would be 34k.

But then again, if you don't have IC...lol

pronkg

Furor wrote: »

I'll probably be one of the few but I like the fact that these materials are so rare. There is actual meaning for gearing up and making me put extra thought into which items I want to craft. Seeing as Julianos is widely considered some of the Best In Slot gear setup. It shouldn't be created in 10 minutes of gathering...

Feel free to hate on me

No hate, i totally agree. For the first time since early release i feel like every MOB i kill every plant i pick actually has value.
I had lost that feeling a long time ago when i noticed how useless every drop was and all gear is actually The same and nothing was worth farming for. It should have been like this from the start. One of the best calls zenimax made in a long time.

NewBlacksmurf

NinjaApacHe wrote: »

That you put the cost of materials to craft level VR16 items at the same ratio of other levels. With that cost so high (100/150 pieces of rubedo leather, ruby ash, rubedite) you are just feeding gold sellers. Please it's been nice: they became rich. Now let us craft our stuff.

It's what they do when they need to slow down progress through content.

It's the same as VR levels and now it's crafting....moving to Champion Points

riverdragon72

I've found a very few scattered v16 mat nodes in Wrothgar, among all the jute, rawhide, natural water, and other useless to me nodes. And not one piece of rubido leather in hours of farming. Pretty pee'd off. The eye bleeding grind in the sewers is freaking frustrating.

NinjaApacHe

Grinding, farming: words I hate. But that's what we have and we have to deal with it, till our passion will get killed. See ya in the sewers

I spent so many time to research on Blacksmithing, Clothing, Woodworking, Enchanting, Alchemy. I deserve to craft my stuff!

Faulgor

Sausage wrote: »

On PS4 priced started at 1k per mat, then it went to 500 quick fast, I was able to sell for 600, now its under 500, like 400-450. Soon theres more mats than players, so relax.

I see people selling mats for 250g now in zone chat (EU).

Julianos

LOL i just crafted 1 vet16 and vet14 julianos robe and i ve compared the diffrence between them on legandary quaility.
First of all 5th set bonus is same which is 299 spell damage and only 23-30 diffrence on spell crit and magicka. So vet16 items can go to hell all the way down ! with their overpriced enchants !! I will just play with v14s

Take my advice and dont bother with v16 craft items guys. Just craft v16 weapons and stay cool !!!

Morbash

Stonesthrow wrote: »

So you have to work at it to get something good... I like it.

Still haven't made a FULL VR16 set yet, but I'm not hard core… HARD CORE! Sorry, habit.

In it for the fun and the long haul.

I don't play games to work. I play games to relax and have fun. PVP is fun. Exploring dungeons is fun. Tediously gathering thousands of mats for half decent gear? That's not fun. It's an excessive grind. There's already more than enough grinding in ESO.

@ZOS - If you put that carrot too far out, we're going to eventually lose interest. Lets reel it in and tone it down a bit. And I don't mean come at this with a heavy handed approach. Put down the sledgehammer, guys. Here's a flat-head...

NinjaApacHe

Axorn wrote: »

LOL i just crafted 1 vet16 and vet14 julianos robe and i ve compared the diffrence between them on legandary quaility.
First of all 5th set bonus is same which is 299 spell damage and only 23-30 diffrence on spell crit and magicka. So vet16 items can go to hell all the way down ! with their overpriced enchants !! I will just play with v14s

Take my advice and dont bother with v16 craft items guys. Just craft v16 weapons and stay cool !!!

True. I would say VR15 and weapons VR16. F**k the rest!

DeusAres wrote: »

Stonesthrow wrote: »

So you have to work at it to get something good... I like it.

Still haven't made a FULL VR16 set yet, but I'm not hard core… HARD CORE! Sorry, habit.

In it for the fun and the long haul.

I don't play games to work. I play games to relax and have fun. PVP is fun. Exploring dungeons is fun. Tediously gathering thousands of mats for half decent gear? That's not fun. It's an excessive grind. There's already more than enough grinding in ESO.

@ZOS - If you put that carrot too far out, we're going to eventually lose interest. Lets reel it in and tone it down a bit. And I don't mean come at this with a heavy handed approach. Put down the sledgehammer, guys. Here's a flat-head...

This.

AlienSlof

NinjaApacHe wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

LOL i just crafted 1 vet16 and vet14 julianos robe and i ve compared the diffrence between them on legandary quaility.
First of all 5th set bonus is same which is 299 spell damage and only 23-30 diffrence on spell crit and magicka. So vet16 items can go to hell all the way down ! with their overpriced enchants !! I will just play with v14s

Take my advice and dont bother with v16 craft items guys. Just craft v16 weapons and stay cool !!!

True. I would say VR15 and weapons VR16. F**k the rest!

DeusAres wrote: »

Stonesthrow wrote: »

So you have to work at it to get something good... I like it.

Still haven't made a FULL VR16 set yet, but I'm not hard core… HARD CORE! Sorry, habit.

In it for the fun and the long haul.

I don't play games to work. I play games to relax and have fun. PVP is fun. Exploring dungeons is fun. Tediously gathering thousands of mats for half decent gear? That's not fun. It's an excessive grind. There's already more than enough grinding in ESO.

@ZOS - If you put that carrot too far out, we're going to eventually lose interest. Lets reel it in and tone it down a bit. And I don't mean come at this with a heavy handed approach. Put down the sledgehammer, guys. Here's a flat-head...

This.

^ All of this. ^

I'm currently tooling up to make v15 armour for my main which will serve him well enough once he's improved it up and enchanted it.

I found enough materials in Wrothgar to do my writs last night, and had the fun of exploring the place as well. It'll be better once it's not so busy, and give me better opportunities to find those red nodes.

Dymence

Axorn wrote: »

LOL i just crafted 1 vet16 and vet14 julianos robe and i ve compared the diffrence between them on legandary quaility.
First of all 5th set bonus is same which is 299 spell damage and only 23-30 diffrence on spell crit and magicka. So vet16 items can go to hell all the way down ! with their overpriced enchants !! I will just play with v14s

Take my advice and dont bother with v16 craft items guys. Just craft v16 weapons and stay cool !!!

The gear level is not the problem, the enchant is.

Vr16 enchants makes the difference boys, don't listen to this guy.

SHADOW2KK

Dymence wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

LOL i just crafted 1 vet16 and vet14 julianos robe and i ve compared the diffrence between them on legandary quaility.
First of all 5th set bonus is same which is 299 spell damage and only 23-30 diffrence on spell crit and magicka. So vet16 items can go to hell all the way down ! with their overpriced enchants !! I will just play with v14s

Take my advice and dont bother with v16 craft items guys. Just craft v16 weapons and stay cool !!!

The gear level is not the problem, the enchant is.

Vr16 enchants makes the difference boys, don't listen to this guy.

Completely agree, use full legendary Vr16 gear and enchants, and there is a difference to Vr14.