Templar magika dps questions

oxymartyr_ESO

Ok so I love the concept of killing people with the power of god and all that good stuff. Now can I play a cloth armor Templar caster or will people just tell me to stop being cute and heal? I don't mind healing i just want to play as a dps the most.

Speely

In end-game group situations, many will will tell you to stop being cute and heal (while doing supplementary DPS.) Temps are SUPER-suited to that support role and as such many elite players who know that other builds with higher DPS ceilings exist will not welcome a Magicka Temp DPS as often.

If you aren't as concerned with min/maxed, specialized vet group role-fulfilling, Magicka Temps can be very effective and fun playing a DPS-centric role. Soloing in particular is very effective due to our biggest damage output also being our main source of healing. When focused on, this can enable you to DPS your way through almost any solo content or even excel at duos. This is more relevant now than ever due to Maelstrom Arena, which I predict to see some great Temp results from.

Also very capable in PvP.

That said, this might not be your focus. If PvE grouping IS your focus, the upside is that healing and DPS strengths tend to be interchangeable insofar as roles go. If you are built well for one, you can do the other. Best bet is to plan for both and suffer no loss either way outside of gear changes.

Springt-Über-Zwerge

I basically play a templar dps the only difference is I have BOL and syphon spirit sloted and play the healer role. That way I sometimes pull as much or even more dps than the 2 DDs in my group. But then there are Sorcs who pull 1.5 -2x my dps. They would just laugh if I asked them to let me do dps

Dracane

Templar DPS is not that great compared to what Dragonknights or Nightblades can achieve.
The benefit of Magicka Templar is, that you get some reasonable healing from purifying light and puncturing sweep.
But then again, other classes can get heals from attacks either.

Tyrix

Check out deltias Omega build and youll see proper dps for a magicka templar with cloth.

failkiwib16_ESO

It is perfectly viable to have a magicka templar damage dealer. For group play, solo, pvp, trials and endgame content.

You also get the benefit of being able to burst heal yourself or your group members, in case you end up with a pug healer that is really bad xD

Templars were nerfed heavily in the beginning of the game, because of so many botters were using templars. That has changed, and we got our damage back .... if you prefer to deal damage, don't hold back and don't listen to outdated information ^^

Dracane

Tyrix wrote: »

Check out deltias Omega build and youll see proper dps for a magicka templar with cloth.

Proper doesn't mean it's good. The DPS in his video is in fact bad.

Springt-Über-Zwerge

Dracane wrote: »

Tyrix wrote: »

Check out deltias Omega build and youll see proper dps for a magicka templar with cloth.

Proper doesn't mean it's good. The DPS in his video is in fact bad.

yea but his build isnt and that is what counts im using it right now as healer and DD but still its nowhere near the dps of the other classes can achieve

Oh_Skrivva

While healing my dps can reach up wars of 24k dps. So you can def be a magic dps if you so choose

Springt-Über-Zwerge

Oh_Skrivva wrote: »

While healing my dps can reach up wars of 24k dps. So you can def be a magic dps if you so choose

yes it can but at what kind of boss? youll never achieve these numbers in VICP or VWGT maybe on crematory guards but those fights dont last long and require no movement at all

Elara_Northwind

Oh_Skrivva wrote: »

While healing my dps can reach up wars of 24k dps. So you can def be a magic dps if you so choose

I get this too, its really funny I can go to a dungeon with my group as pure healer, and get high damage when just healing. Must be all of those spears, orbs and purifying light I keep throwing down or something

I can do really good damage as a magic templar. My max magic and spell damage are really high, and I put almost all of my cps into thaumaturge which helps ALLOT (I won't say my numbers, because did that once before and had people calling my a liar and all sorts ) though I am usually the healer in dungeons and stuff in PvE because I have regular people that I play with who don't like to do dungeons with zone people, and I am one of the only ones who can heal

Oh_Skrivva

@Springt-Über-Zwerge ive had clears on vicp and vwgt on my healer before the first nerf to dungeons including hard mode. During those runs I still averaged 20k dps on boss pulls.

Springt-Über-Zwerge

Oh_Skrivva wrote: »

@Springt-Über-Zwerge ive had clears on vicp and vwgt on my healer before the first nerf to dungeons including hard mode. During those runs I still averaged 20k dps on boss pulls.

Pics or didnt happen

failkiwib16_ESO

addons x_x
I play as a healer too.

I've seen numbers like 58k-52k dmg on the 3 bosses in Spindleclutch, that does not mean my dps as a healer is 52k dmg. I was using AoE on multiple targets. The fight didn't last long either, because my team was pretty OP and we killed them fast.

If your team is bad, then your total damage goes up and you loose out on the dps numbers. If the team has very high damage, then your total number will be a small number, and your dps will be very high.

Also if I only do damage during execution phase, and I use jesus beam - i pretty much outbeat everyone in the group with my dps, however my total damage will be close to the dps number - because I only did that much damage. Meanwhile the damage dealers in my group can have 17k dmg yet a total dmg of 1 million. Why? Because they did damage throughout the whole fight, so their total number is higher and their dps is lower.

Baconlad

Hah...dw light armor templar, jabsjabsjabs blazing spear, purifying light....jabsjabsjabsjab done

mr_wazzabi

Radiant oppression anyone?

I would think spamming puncturing sweep while keeping dots up from purifying light and vampire's bane would equal the dps of other classes. Then you finish with radiant oppression.

Does spamming crystal frag and volitious curse net higher dps than sweeps, light and bane?

Does wb spamming with unstable flame and burning breath beat it?

Does snipe spamming with poison injection beat it?

I feel all these options are about the same.

zornyan

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Radiant oppression anyone?

I would think spamming puncturing sweep while keeping dots up from purifying light and vampire's bane would equal the dps of other classes. Then you finish with radiant oppression.

Does spamming crystal frag and volitious curse net higher dps than sweeps, light and bane?

Does wb spamming with unstable flame and burning breath beat it?

Does snipe spamming with poison injection beat it?

I feel all these options are about the same.

I think you mean blazing spear, purifying light is a HoT not a DoT, Blazing Spear is a pretty good DoT though, especially with a few burning light procs.

In full healer mode, so staying out of melee range completly, dark flare/vampires bane/blazing spear is a pretty good setup to use whilst throwing the odd breath of life/purge and keeping the group alive.

But when more dps is required and being in melee range then obviously sweeps is brilliant, as not only does it do great base damage it means the healer has less to focus on .

mr_wazzabi

zornyan wrote: »

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Radiant oppression anyone?

I would think spamming puncturing sweep while keeping dots up from purifying light and vampire's bane would equal the dps of other classes. Then you finish with radiant oppression.

Does spamming crystal frag and volitious curse net higher dps than sweeps, light and bane?

Does wb spamming with unstable flame and burning breath beat it?

Does snipe spamming with poison injection beat it?

I feel all these options are about the same.

I think you mean blazing spear, purifying light is a HoT not a DoT, Blazing Spear is a pretty good DoT though, especially with a few burning light procs.

In full healer mode, so staying out of melee range completly, dark flare/vampires bane/blazing spear is a pretty good setup to use whilst throwing the odd breath of life/purge and keeping the group alive.

But when more dps is required and being in melee range then obviously sweeps is brilliant, as not only does it do great base damage it means the healer has less to focus on .

Purifying light stores damage until the effect ends, which causes an explosion of damage. It's unconventional, but i consider it a dot. Sorry for the confusion.

Springt-Über-Zwerge

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Radiant oppression anyone?

I would think spamming puncturing sweep while keeping dots up from purifying light and vampire's bane would equal the dps of other classes. Then you finish with radiant oppression.

Does spamming crystal frag and volitious curse net higher dps than sweeps, light and bane?

Does wb spamming with unstable flame and burning breath beat it?

Does snipe spamming with poison injection beat it?

I feel all these options are about the same.

The problem is no matter what rotation you do your dps wont reach the one of other classes because templars have no bonus on magicka no bonus on spelldamage and no bonus on crit chance. The only thing that is beneficial for your damage is the 10% increse to crit damage but thats simply not comparable to the passives other classes have.
Also Templars have just 1 sustain passive (4% reduced cost on all ressources) which makes the use of Molag Kena impossible

Lets take a nb:
Also 10% crit damage increase plus incresed crit chance the more assassin abilities youve sloted plus 8% mag magicka for a syphoning attack ability sloted plus aditional 15% reg on all stats plus ultimade for taking a pot

Also abilities that sustain your ressources: Channeled focus if you have to move which is pretty much always the case your buff is gone. Thats it

NB: Siphoning attacks: no matter where you go you have your buff duration and can recast it when it wears off also the more you spam the more ressources you gain back plus the spamable nb abilities cost basically nothing compared to those of the Templar

zornyan

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Radiant oppression anyone?

I would think spamming puncturing sweep while keeping dots up from purifying light and vampire's bane would equal the dps of other classes. Then you finish with radiant oppression.

Does spamming crystal frag and volitious curse net higher dps than sweeps, light and bane?

Does wb spamming with unstable flame and burning breath beat it?

Does snipe spamming with poison injection beat it?

I feel all these options are about the same.

The problem is no matter what rotation you do your dps wont reach the one of other classes because templars have no bonus on magicka no bonus on spelldamage and no bonus on crit chance. The only thing that is beneficial for your damage is the 10% increse to crit damage but thats simply not comparable to the passives other classes have.
Also Templars have just 1 sustain passive (4% reduced cost on all ressources) which makes the use of Molag Kena impossible

Lets take a nb:
Also 10% crit damage increase plus incresed crit chance the more assassin abilities youve sloted plus 8% mag magicka for a syphoning attack ability sloted plus aditional 15% reg on all stats plus ultimade for taking a pot

Also abilities that sustain your ressources: Channeled focus if you have to move which is pretty much always the case your buff is gone. Thats it

NB: Siphoning attacks: no matter where you go you have your buff duration and can recast it when it wears off also the more you spam the more ressources you gain back plus the spamable nb abilities cost basically nothing compared to those of the Templar

I've seen magicka templars out dps nb's before, just because some of our passives are lack luster doesn't mean everything.

Channeled focus is easily spamming, the skill is near enough free to use, aswell as a magicka battery it also serves as a decent armor buff.

Whilst nb's may get 8% max magicka, we get burning light, which is imo one of the best passives in the gsme for any dps, using sweeps + spears, this is constantly proccing, it's an extra 4k damage constantly hitting, on top of abilities that hit harder than nb's, throw in evil hunter too, and you get another proc hitting.

The problem is most people don't think about the fact as a templar you can make use of proc abilities far more than other classes, as we have multiple skills that all keep them going. That can be worth a large chunk of dps.

americansteel

oxymartyr_ESO wrote: »

Ok so I love the concept of killing people with the power of god and all that good stuff. Now can I play a cloth armor Templar caster or will people just tell me to stop being cute and heal? I don't mind healing i just want to play as a dps the most.

im a nord magic Templar I wear heavy armor 5 V15 seducer 2 V15 torugs pact for spell damage, will power jewelry with spell damage enchants and will power shield and sword with divines- mundus is apprentice.
im pushing 2400 non buffed spell damage. I, 99 percent of the time am using puncturing sweep for DPS Im not a healer but I do throw some heals down! my secondary bar is wards heals and entropy. I have 140CP

I clear caves, public dungeons, dark anchors and caves faster than my friends do with their sorcs *** blades and dragon knights.

in cyrodiil Im only good for support DPS role in a group I will never go on by my self to try and attack people not on my Templar.

with cloth you have extra spell resistance and magicka gains or what ever its called something I do not get with heavy. deltia and there is some one on this forum with a high DPS Templar build try to find that player. check deltias builds out.

americansteel

I meant to add this in. you can kill people with wearing light armor that's not a problem. wear 5 lights 2 heavys. so yes a magicka Templar is suitable for light armor with a DPS main role. its done all the time. if built right your Templar can be down right nasty to other players! but of course having CP helps.

zornyan

americansteel wrote: »

oxymartyr_ESO wrote: »

Ok so I love the concept of killing people with the power of god and all that good stuff. Now can I play a cloth armor Templar caster or will people just tell me to stop being cute and heal? I don't mind healing i just want to play as a dps the most.

im a nord magic Templar I wear heavy armor 5 V15 seducer 2 V15 torugs pact for spell damage, will power jewelry with spell damage enchants and will power shield and sword with divines- mundus is apprentice.
im pushing 2400 non buffed spell damage. I, 99 percent of the time am using puncturing sweep for DPS Im not a healer but I do throw some heals down! my secondary bar is wards heals and entropy. I have 140CP

I clear caves, public dungeons, dark anchors and caves faster than my friends do with their sorcs *** blades and dragon knights.

in cyrodiil Im only good for support DPS role in a group I will never go on by my self to try and attack people not on my Templar.

with cloth you have extra spell resistance and magicka gains or what ever its called something I do not get with heavy. deltia and there is some one on this forum with a high DPS Templar build try to find that player. check deltias builds out.

Why are you using 5x willpower? You'd be better of using

3x willpower jewellery
3 torugs
5x seducers
1x molag kena

That'll give you another 129 spell damage and 1000 health.

My personal gear is

4x martial knowledge
3x seducer
3x willpower
2x Torugs

I'm sat at 2900 unbuffed spell damage, but when I finally get the kena shoulders I'll be going 5 krag 1 kena 3 torugs 3 willpower.

Should be at 3.1k spell Power unbuffed

Springt-Über-Zwerge

zornyan wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Radiant oppression anyone?

I would think spamming puncturing sweep while keeping dots up from purifying light and vampire's bane would equal the dps of other classes. Then you finish with radiant oppression.

Does spamming crystal frag and volitious curse net higher dps than sweeps, light and bane?

Does wb spamming with unstable flame and burning breath beat it?

Does snipe spamming with poison injection beat it?

I feel all these options are about the same.

The problem is no matter what rotation you do your dps wont reach the one of other classes because templars have no bonus on magicka no bonus on spelldamage and no bonus on crit chance. The only thing that is beneficial for your damage is the 10% increse to crit damage but thats simply not comparable to the passives other classes have.
Also Templars have just 1 sustain passive (4% reduced cost on all ressources) which makes the use of Molag Kena impossible

Lets take a nb:
Also 10% crit damage increase plus incresed crit chance the more assassin abilities youve sloted plus 8% mag magicka for a syphoning attack ability sloted plus aditional 15% reg on all stats plus ultimade for taking a pot

Also abilities that sustain your ressources: Channeled focus if you have to move which is pretty much always the case your buff is gone. Thats it

NB: Siphoning attacks: no matter where you go you have your buff duration and can recast it when it wears off also the more you spam the more ressources you gain back plus the spamable nb abilities cost basically nothing compared to those of the Templar

I've seen magicka templars out dps nb's before, just because some of our passives are lack luster doesn't mean everything.

Channeled focus is easily spamming, the skill is near enough free to use, aswell as a magicka battery it also serves as a decent armor buff.

Whilst nb's may get 8% max magicka, we get burning light, which is imo one of the best passives in the gsme for any dps, using sweeps + spears, this is constantly proccing, it's an extra 4k damage constantly hitting, on top of abilities that hit harder than nb's, throw in evil hunter too, and you get another proc hitting.

The problem is most people don't think about the fact as a templar you can make use of proc abilities far more than other classes, as we have multiple skills that all keep them going. That can be worth a large chunk of dps.

burning light is not that much dps I think 8% magicka could be even but the skills of the templar deal less damage in general also what if id like to use something else than sweeps there is no such option for templars because burning light is just for aedric spear abilities and not for everything like the 8% magicka

Elara_Northwind

I find dark flare to be the best and my most favourite templar skill! With the extra % damage buff from it too, I love it! I have killed another player on their horse whilst using just that followed by beam in PvP. Granted that is kind of cheating, hiding and killing people on their horse, but it was funny, and my 2 best nb's were completely jealous of my stupid damage on him from my 2 shot, so it made me laugh as usual, can't say numbers on here as a templar, everyone will just bully you so... I will just say that it was very enlightening and even more amusing

zornyan

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Radiant oppression anyone?

I would think spamming puncturing sweep while keeping dots up from purifying light and vampire's bane would equal the dps of other classes. Then you finish with radiant oppression.

Does spamming crystal frag and volitious curse net higher dps than sweeps, light and bane?

Does wb spamming with unstable flame and burning breath beat it?

Does snipe spamming with poison injection beat it?

I feel all these options are about the same.

The problem is no matter what rotation you do your dps wont reach the one of other classes because templars have no bonus on magicka no bonus on spelldamage and no bonus on crit chance. The only thing that is beneficial for your damage is the 10% increse to crit damage but thats simply not comparable to the passives other classes have.
Also Templars have just 1 sustain passive (4% reduced cost on all ressources) which makes the use of Molag Kena impossible

Lets take a nb:
Also 10% crit damage increase plus incresed crit chance the more assassin abilities youve sloted plus 8% mag magicka for a syphoning attack ability sloted plus aditional 15% reg on all stats plus ultimade for taking a pot

Also abilities that sustain your ressources: Channeled focus if you have to move which is pretty much always the case your buff is gone. Thats it

NB: Siphoning attacks: no matter where you go you have your buff duration and can recast it when it wears off also the more you spam the more ressources you gain back plus the spamable nb abilities cost basically nothing compared to those of the Templar

I've seen magicka templars out dps nb's before, just because some of our passives are lack luster doesn't mean everything.

Channeled focus is easily spamming, the skill is near enough free to use, aswell as a magicka battery it also serves as a decent armor buff.

Whilst nb's may get 8% max magicka, we get burning light, which is imo one of the best passives in the gsme for any dps, using sweeps + spears, this is constantly proccing, it's an extra 4k damage constantly hitting, on top of abilities that hit harder than nb's, throw in evil hunter too, and you get another proc hitting.

The problem is most people don't think about the fact as a templar you can make use of proc abilities far more than other classes, as we have multiple skills that all keep them going. That can be worth a large chunk of dps.

burning light is not that much dps I think 8% magicka could be even but the skills of the templar deal less damage in general also what if id like to use something else than sweeps there is no such option for templars because burning light is just for aedric spear abilities and not for everything like the 8% magicka

Sweeps/jabs actually hits very hard, in fact jabs is the hardest hitting stamina move, period.

Use sweeps/darkflare/blazing spears and another dot and you have 2 dots running along side 2 very hard hitting skills AND 2 abilities that keep proccing burning light.

danno8

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Radiant oppression anyone?

I would think spamming puncturing sweep while keeping dots up from purifying light and vampire's bane would equal the dps of other classes. Then you finish with radiant oppression.

Does spamming crystal frag and volitious curse net higher dps than sweeps, light and bane?

Does wb spamming with unstable flame and burning breath beat it?

Does snipe spamming with poison injection beat it?

I feel all these options are about the same.

The problem is no matter what rotation you do your dps wont reach the one of other classes because templars have no bonus on magicka no bonus on spelldamage and no bonus on crit chance. The only thing that is beneficial for your damage is the 10% increse to crit damage but thats simply not comparable to the passives other classes have.
Also Templars have just 1 sustain passive (4% reduced cost on all ressources) which makes the use of Molag Kena impossible

Lets take a nb:
Also 10% crit damage increase plus incresed crit chance the more assassin abilities youve sloted plus 8% mag magicka for a syphoning attack ability sloted plus aditional 15% reg on all stats plus ultimade for taking a pot

Also abilities that sustain your ressources: Channeled focus if you have to move which is pretty much always the case your buff is gone. Thats it

NB: Siphoning attacks: no matter where you go you have your buff duration and can recast it when it wears off also the more you spam the more ressources you gain back plus the spamable nb abilities cost basically nothing compared to those of the Templar

The magicka regeneration from Channeled Focus is a separate buff that lasts for the entire duration of the skill, regardless of whether you are in the circle or not. I feel like they should really explain this in no uncertain terms in the skill tooltip.

eg:
"Gain 120 magicka per second for 20 seconds.
Also create a rune circle...blah, blah..armour, spell resitance..blah blah 8 seconds outside of circle..blah."

Hiero_Glyph

zornyan wrote: »

americansteel wrote: »

oxymartyr_ESO wrote: »

Ok so I love the concept of killing people with the power of god and all that good stuff. Now can I play a cloth armor Templar caster or will people just tell me to stop being cute and heal? I don't mind healing i just want to play as a dps the most.

im a nord magic Templar I wear heavy armor 5 V15 seducer 2 V15 torugs pact for spell damage, will power jewelry with spell damage enchants and will power shield and sword with divines- mundus is apprentice.
im pushing 2400 non buffed spell damage. I, 99 percent of the time am using puncturing sweep for DPS Im not a healer but I do throw some heals down! my secondary bar is wards heals and entropy. I have 140CP

I clear caves, public dungeons, dark anchors and caves faster than my friends do with their sorcs *** blades and dragon knights.

in cyrodiil Im only good for support DPS role in a group I will never go on by my self to try and attack people not on my Templar.

with cloth you have extra spell resistance and magicka gains or what ever its called something I do not get with heavy. deltia and there is some one on this forum with a high DPS Templar build try to find that player. check deltias builds out.

Why are you using 5x willpower? You'd be better of using

3x willpower jewellery
3 torugs
5x seducers
1x molag kena

That'll give you another 129 spell damage and 1000 health.

My personal gear is

4x martial knowledge
3x seducer
3x willpower
2x Torugs

I'm sat at 2900 unbuffed spell damage, but when I finally get the kena shoulders I'll be going 5 krag 1 kena 3 torugs 3 willpower.

Should be at 3.1k spell Power unbuffed

A small note but you can improve Willpower weapons to gold while jewelry can only remain purple. As a result if you really want to min/max you want 5x Kagrenacs/Julianos (5 armor), 3x Elemental Succession (2 jewelry, 1 armor), 3x Willpower (2 weapon, 1 jewelry). 1 Molag Kena (1 armor). You still have the option to run a Resto staff on your back bar as you would only lose the Agility spell damage bonus, which is not as helpful on a buff bar. Also, Resto hleps with sustain from heavy attacks, which seems to be the weakness of this combination.

Springt-Über-Zwerge

zornyan wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Radiant oppression anyone?

I would think spamming puncturing sweep while keeping dots up from purifying light and vampire's bane would equal the dps of other classes. Then you finish with radiant oppression.

Does spamming crystal frag and volitious curse net higher dps than sweeps, light and bane?

Does wb spamming with unstable flame and burning breath beat it?

Does snipe spamming with poison injection beat it?

I feel all these options are about the same.

The problem is no matter what rotation you do your dps wont reach the one of other classes because templars have no bonus on magicka no bonus on spelldamage and no bonus on crit chance. The only thing that is beneficial for your damage is the 10% increse to crit damage but thats simply not comparable to the passives other classes have.
Also Templars have just 1 sustain passive (4% reduced cost on all ressources) which makes the use of Molag Kena impossible

Lets take a nb:
Also 10% crit damage increase plus incresed crit chance the more assassin abilities youve sloted plus 8% mag magicka for a syphoning attack ability sloted plus aditional 15% reg on all stats plus ultimade for taking a pot

Also abilities that sustain your ressources: Channeled focus if you have to move which is pretty much always the case your buff is gone. Thats it

NB: Siphoning attacks: no matter where you go you have your buff duration and can recast it when it wears off also the more you spam the more ressources you gain back plus the spamable nb abilities cost basically nothing compared to those of the Templar

I've seen magicka templars out dps nb's before, just because some of our passives are lack luster doesn't mean everything.

Channeled focus is easily spamming, the skill is near enough free to use, aswell as a magicka battery it also serves as a decent armor buff.

Whilst nb's may get 8% max magicka, we get burning light, which is imo one of the best passives in the gsme for any dps, using sweeps + spears, this is constantly proccing, it's an extra 4k damage constantly hitting, on top of abilities that hit harder than nb's, throw in evil hunter too, and you get another proc hitting.

The problem is most people don't think about the fact as a templar you can make use of proc abilities far more than other classes, as we have multiple skills that all keep them going. That can be worth a large chunk of dps.

burning light is not that much dps I think 8% magicka could be even but the skills of the templar deal less damage in general also what if id like to use something else than sweeps there is no such option for templars because burning light is just for aedric spear abilities and not for everything like the 8% magicka

Sweeps/jabs actually hits very hard, in fact jabs is the hardest hitting stamina move, period.

Use sweeps/darkflare/blazing spears and another dot and you have 2 dots running along side 2 very hard hitting skills AND 2 abilities that keep proccing burning light.

You know we are talking about magicka templars right?

And you cant combine DF with Sweeps since both have 1.1 sec cast time

zornyan

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Radiant oppression anyone?

I would think spamming puncturing sweep while keeping dots up from purifying light and vampire's bane would equal the dps of other classes. Then you finish with radiant oppression.

Does spamming crystal frag and volitious curse net higher dps than sweeps, light and bane?

Does wb spamming with unstable flame and burning breath beat it?

Does snipe spamming with poison injection beat it?

I feel all these options are about the same.

The problem is no matter what rotation you do your dps wont reach the one of other classes because templars have no bonus on magicka no bonus on spelldamage and no bonus on crit chance. The only thing that is beneficial for your damage is the 10% increse to crit damage but thats simply not comparable to the passives other classes have.
Also Templars have just 1 sustain passive (4% reduced cost on all ressources) which makes the use of Molag Kena impossible

Lets take a nb:
Also 10% crit damage increase plus incresed crit chance the more assassin abilities youve sloted plus 8% mag magicka for a syphoning attack ability sloted plus aditional 15% reg on all stats plus ultimade for taking a pot

Also abilities that sustain your ressources: Channeled focus if you have to move which is pretty much always the case your buff is gone. Thats it

NB: Siphoning attacks: no matter where you go you have your buff duration and can recast it when it wears off also the more you spam the more ressources you gain back plus the spamable nb abilities cost basically nothing compared to those of the Templar

I've seen magicka templars out dps nb's before, just because some of our passives are lack luster doesn't mean everything.

Channeled focus is easily spamming, the skill is near enough free to use, aswell as a magicka battery it also serves as a decent armor buff.

Whilst nb's may get 8% max magicka, we get burning light, which is imo one of the best passives in the gsme for any dps, using sweeps + spears, this is constantly proccing, it's an extra 4k damage constantly hitting, on top of abilities that hit harder than nb's, throw in evil hunter too, and you get another proc hitting.

The problem is most people don't think about the fact as a templar you can make use of proc abilities far more than other classes, as we have multiple skills that all keep them going. That can be worth a large chunk of dps.

burning light is not that much dps I think 8% magicka could be even but the skills of the templar deal less damage in general also what if id like to use something else than sweeps there is no such option for templars because burning light is just for aedric spear abilities and not for everything like the 8% magicka

Sweeps/jabs actually hits very hard, in fact jabs is the hardest hitting stamina move, period.

Use sweeps/darkflare/blazing spears and another dot and you have 2 dots running along side 2 very hard hitting skills AND 2 abilities that keep proccing burning light.

You know we are talking about magicka templars right?

And you cant combine DF with Sweeps since both have 1.1 sec cast time

Yes but we are talking about a rotation, also using dark flaw grants empower, which if you use just before a DOT gives a nice buff to the ticks.

zornyan

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Ok so I love the concept of killing people with the power of god and all that good stuff. Now can I play a cloth armor Templar caster or will people just tell me to stop being cute and heal? I don't mind healing i just want to play as a dps the most.

im a nord magic Templar I wear heavy armor 5 V15 seducer 2 V15 torugs pact for spell damage, will power jewelry with spell damage enchants and will power shield and sword with divines- mundus is apprentice.
im pushing 2400 non buffed spell damage. I, 99 percent of the time am using puncturing sweep for DPS Im not a healer but I do throw some heals down! my secondary bar is wards heals and entropy. I have 140CP

I clear caves, public dungeons, dark anchors and caves faster than my friends do with their sorcs *** blades and dragon knights.

in cyrodiil Im only good for support DPS role in a group I will never go on by my self to try and attack people not on my Templar.

with cloth you have extra spell resistance and magicka gains or what ever its called something I do not get with heavy. deltia and there is some one on this forum with a high DPS Templar build try to find that player. check deltias builds out.

Why are you using 5x willpower? You'd be better of using

3x willpower jewellery
3 torugs
5x seducers
1x molag kena

That'll give you another 129 spell damage and 1000 health.

My personal gear is

4x martial knowledge
3x seducer
3x willpower
2x Torugs

I'm sat at 2900 unbuffed spell damage, but when I finally get the kena shoulders I'll be going 5 krag 1 kena 3 torugs 3 willpower.

Should be at 3.1k spell Power unbuffed

A small note but you can improve Willpower weapons to gold while jewelry can only remain purple. As a result if you really want to min/max you want 5x Kagrenacs/Julianos (5 armor), 3x Elemental Succession (2 jewelry, 1 armor), 3x Willpower (2 weapon, 1 jewelry). 1 Molag Kena (1 armor). You still have the option to run a Resto staff on your back bar as you would only lose the Agility spell damage bonus, which is not as helpful on a buff bar. Also, Resto hleps with sustain from heavy attacks, which seems to be the weakness of this combination.

I've been curious about this, as looking at some PTS videos people had gold willpower/agility jewellery, was it dropped before being brought to live?