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grpfinder is *** up

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the mobs are to hard and are almost impossible to kill ...
  • Scyantific
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    Lemme guess, are you a v1 grouping with v16s?
  • EvilWaterman
    Its f*** full stop
  • Avenias
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    Scyantific wrote: »
    Lemme guess, are you a v1 grouping with v16s?

    V1 with v16 isnt as bad as a lv 20ish with a v16 party. The scale needs to be adjusted.
  • Fat-Larry-Makes-All
    How is that the groupfinders fault? It always scales to the group leader right, or am I missing something here...?
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    Scyantific wrote: »
    Lemme guess, are you a v1 grouping with v16s?
    Should not matter. Groups via group finder are battle leveled to VR15 according to how I read the patch notes, and get a "moderate" buff.

    Edited by Elsonso on November 3, 2015 1:21PM
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  • Avenias
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    How is that the groupfinders fault? It always scales to the group leader right, or am I missing something here...?
    no, if they use the group finder, lower lvl players get a battle buff now. But the problem is that the amount it scale does will not be enough when the member is very low lvl, like a lv 25ish scaled to v16 dungeon.


    Plus roles can be adjust anytime using gears and just changing the stats. The group finder does not take that into account, because you dont get the option to choose which role you specifically want. Only your prefered role is there in the group finder. So if there is a shortage of healer and someone volunteers to change spec to heal spec, you cant do anything about it, as the party is already set as it is and will search for only a "healer"
    Edited by Avenias on November 3, 2015 1:28PM
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    Avenias wrote: »
    How is that the groupfinders fault? It always scales to the group leader right, or am I missing something here...?
    no, if they use the group finder, lower lvl players get a battle buff now. But the problem is that the amount it scale does will not be enough when the member is very low lvl, like a lv 25ish scaled to v16 dungeon.


    Plus roles can be adjust anytime using gears and just changing the stats. The group finder does not take that into account, because you dont get the option to choose which role you specifically want. Only your prefered role is there in the group finder. So if there is a shortage of healer and someone volunteers to change spec to heal spec, you cant do anything about it, as the party is already set as it is and will search for only a "healer"

    So it's not the scaling that's an issue, it's how someone designs their character. They may be lacking due to choices that hinder success early on or maybe just be careful of the role chosen until skills and morphs are unlocked
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    Or... your gear is bad and/or you still need to polish your play?
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  • Scyantific
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    Lemme get this straight...

    The group finder can grab the whole range of players (vets and non-vets) and stick them in the same group???

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    Scyantific wrote: »
    Lemme get this straight...

    The group finder can grab the whole range of players (vets and non-vets) and stick them in the same group???

    (Pretend I posted the J Jonah Jameson Laughing video here)

    Yes...just like Cyrodil can do this...and battle level ppl. It's a much better system and considering it's only normal dungeons for ppl under VET it's as it should be. Now items mean something again
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  • Troneon
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    Sorry but no, just NO.
    Cross Faction Grouping = WORKING
    Scaling up group = WORKING
    Finding Groups Quickly = WORKING
    LFG Tool = AWESOME

    Oh no it's too hard.....JUST STOP.

    I tested it a lot yesterday on my VR7 character....got some of the harder veteran dungeons done with not much issues. It has to be either your group sucked or your build sucks...

    I agree it needs to give more options for what level group you are looking for, better UI interface etc etc but honestly the scaling works really well. Not to mention you can get 4+ CP from one dungeon so the catch up mechanic works great with scaling to VR16...

    Checked out builds from deltiasgaming.com for vet dungeons. That might help you.
    Edited by Troneon on November 3, 2015 1:42PM
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  • gresiac
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    im lvl 41
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    gresiac wrote: »
    im lvl 41

    Ok then that's an issue with the LFG Tool then, grouping lvl 41's with VR's....is kinda silly.

    They do need to put some more options in for newer players.
    Edited by Troneon on November 3, 2015 1:45PM
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  • Leeric
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    Has nothing to do with the finder....
  • sadownik
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    People, there was clearly not issue with lfg tool but with population using it. So you have a choice - either this, or back to lfg v 1.0
  • DarkAedin
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    last night i healed a v16 scaled vet pledge on my v16 healer.

    we had 1 v16 dps and a v16 tank, the last dps was v6, and he was decently geared for his lvl (hundings/ashens) regardless of this, his dps was slacking which hurt us on bossfights, and he was getting 1 shot all the time by normal attacks from trash mobs.

    when we finished he thanked us for "carrying" him - even though he did his best to pull his own weight, and is a strong player, the difference between him and us was blatantly apparent.

    the battle leveling is not enough for lowbies to compete with the higher levels, the lack of resources and stats that they have compared to us is substantial, and plays a large part in dungeons.

    imho, v16 should be on its own in the group finder, and everyone else should be within 5 lvls of each other. not only does it make the content more difficult to complete, but we should be playing with our peers in levels, not ppl with a +/- 30 lvl difference this also helps promote friend making, b/c ppl who are closer in lvls will be more inclined to do stuff together outside of dungeons, like world bosses/delves, etc (given that they are they same alliance, now that its crossfaction)


  • myrrrorb14_ESO
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    I'm looking forward to trying this out. Skipped a lot of nonveteran dungeons and all the vet ones.

    I do fear the PUG though...

    Guess that means I will have to learn how to play in a team again.
    Edited by myrrrorb14_ESO on November 3, 2015 1:50PM
  • Scyantific
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    Ok so the LFG tool is NOT working then. It should NOT be grouping vets with non-vets, especially when the level disparity is 9 non-vet levels and 16 veteran ranks. It SHOULD be pairing up vets with vets, and non-vets with non-vets.

    I'm going to feel like an *** for doing it, but if I get tossed into a group with non-vets on any of my v9+ characters, then sorry but I'm gonna leave and either re-queue or go back to grouping the old fashioned way (spamming zone chat)
  • Pallmor
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    I'm looking forward to trying this out. Skipped a lot of nonveteran dungeons and all the vet ones.

    I do fear the PUG though...

    Guess that means I will have to learn how to play in a team again.

    I look forward to this too, on the PS4 when we get the update. I've still got a lot of dungeons to do, since I gave up on the lfg tool a long time ago and play at odd hours (so not many guildees on). I think I've only ever completed a few of them.
  • maxjapank
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    I was very pleased with the group finder. Found a group for both pledges as a healer in under five minutes. The gold key was fast. Three v16s and one v8 tank. The normal pledge had three v16s and one level 25. He had only 10k health and got one-shot by the first trash pack. And he bailed after that. Luckily he was a dps, so I got a vet friend who needed the pledge to join us.

    I'm a bit confused why the level 25 had such low health if they were battle-leveled. 10k health is not gonna cut it.

    I'm also confused how to use the group finder for the normal pledge. For this time I chose "dungeon" then "darkshade caverns" and kept myself on "normal" mode. But I noticed that it will group anyone from lvl17 to v16. That's why we had a lvl25 with us at first.

    Is it possible to choose "vet dungeon" then "darkshade caverns" and keep yourself on "normal" mode?? This selection would only group you with v1 to v16 people. But Would that still put you in the Normal dungeon?
    Edited by maxjapank on November 3, 2015 2:31PM
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    maxjapank wrote: »
    I was very pleased with the group finder. Found a group for both pledges as a healer in under five minutes. The gold key was fast. Three v16s and one v8 tank. The normal pledge had three v16s and one level 25. He had only 10k health and got one-shot by the first trash pack. And he bailed after that. Luckily he was a dps, so I got a vet friend who needed the pledge to join us.

    I'm a bit confused why the level 25 had such low health if they were battle-leveled. 10k health is not gonna cut it.

    I'm also confused how to use the group finder for the normal pledge. For this time I chose "dungeon" then "darkshade caverns" and kept myself on "normal" mode. But I noticed that it will group anyone from lvl17 to v16. That's why we had a lvl25 with us at first.

    Is it possible to choose "vet dungeon" then "darkshade caverns" and keep yourself on "normal" mode?? This selection would only group you with v1 to v16 people. But Would that still put you in the Normal dungeon?

    It may have worked for you, but it certainly didn't work for that level 25 guy who got one-shot and bailed.
  • maxjapank
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    Scyantific wrote: »
    maxjapank wrote: »
    I was very pleased with the group finder. Found a group for both pledges as a healer in under five minutes. The gold key was fast. Three v16s and one v8 tank. The normal pledge had three v16s and one level 25. He had only 10k health and got one-shot by the first trash pack. And he bailed after that. Luckily he was a dps, so I got a vet friend who needed the pledge to join us.

    I'm a bit confused why the level 25 had such low health if they were battle-leveled. 10k health is not gonna cut it.

    I'm also confused how to use the group finder for the normal pledge. For this time I chose "dungeon" then "darkshade caverns" and kept myself on "normal" mode. But I noticed that it will group anyone from lvl17 to v16. That's why we had a lvl25 with us at first.

    Is it possible to choose "vet dungeon" then "darkshade caverns" and keep yourself on "normal" mode?? This selection would only group you with v1 to v16 people. But Would that still put you in the Normal dungeon?

    It may have worked for you, but it certainly didn't work for that level 25 guy who got one-shot and bailed.

    Yeah. That's why I mentioned his 10k health. I'd think the scaling / battle leveling would be much more. You also have to wonder if a healer at that level would have a burst heal or burst shield. But anyways that's why I'm asking about choosing "vet dungeon" but setting yourself to "normal" mode.
  • Avenias
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    Troneon wrote: »
    Sorry but no, just NO.
    Cross Faction Grouping = WORKING
    Scaling up group = WORKING
    Finding Groups Quickly = WORKING
    LFG Tool = AWESOME

    Oh no it's too hard.....JUST STOP.

    I tested it a lot yesterday on my VR7 character....got some of the harder veteran dungeons done with not much issues. It has to be either your group sucked or your build sucks...

    I agree it needs to give more options for what level group you are looking for, better UI interface etc etc but honestly the scaling works really well. Not to mention you can get 4+ CP from one dungeon so the catch up mechanic works great with scaling to VR16...

    Checked out builds from deltiasgaming.com for vet dungeons. That might help you.

    u need to understand that its not about the build per say but the gap between the scale and the battle buff. There is a big diff between vet 1 being scaled to vet 16 and a lv 30 being scaled to a vet 16 dungeon, because the lv 30 will most definately not have all the skills unlocked and the gears will be in a very bad shape. Which is why, those way below vet 16 needs a bigger buff to be useful in vet dungeons.
  • moesmaker
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    Tried the groupfinder last night and it worked flawless. A group within minutes, someone left and BOOM! Replacement one sec later!
    The levels were from lvl 48 to V7. I am a V3 healer and the tank was the 48. Had no issues keeping him alive and though the bosses felt a bit stronger than before it was a smooth run.

    I am happy with the new groupfinder when it creates groups like this.
  • Marcosyn11
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    I went today to see the grouping tool on my lvl 42 char and I found that now it goes until lvl vet16. I think it will make the dungeons difficult for the lower levels and it will take out some of the fun if we constantly die because the mobs are in a much higher level.
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  • Ommamar
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    This isn't making sense to me. I didn't see anything in the 6 pages of patch notes but very possible I missed it. Is level 45 still required to start getting the pledge quests? If so why would a character below that level be placed it what I am guessing is pledge groups? I am glad that it seems to be actually finding groups but if what is being reported I would say that warrants a hot fix as soon as possible. It is obviously going to just lead to frustration on the part of everyone if you place people with such a discrepancy between levels regardless of how much you buff their pools. A guild mate linked a VR16 Briarheart piece last night with a tremendous 5 piece proc. My response was that it showed why anything below a VR16 build will not be able to compete with it.
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    I'll have to try it with some lower toons,but it worked well for me last night when I tested it on 2 v16s. I got placed in v15-v16 pledge groups in under 2 min both times. It was even faster than it usually is to put together a guild pledge group.
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    Troneon wrote: »
    gresiac wrote: »
    im lvl 41

    Ok then that's an issue with the LFG Tool then, grouping lvl 41's with VR's....is kinda silly.

    They do need to put some more options in for newer players.

    What's silly about a 41 doing a "normal" dungeon with vets?

    Technically their main skills should all be 50 And IV morph so with the scaling they are equals if wearing blues purples ?
    Edited by NewBlacksmurf on November 3, 2015 3:09PM
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    Ommamar wrote: »
    This isn't making sense to me. I didn't see anything in the 6 pages of patch notes but very possible I missed it. Is level 45 still required to start getting the pledge quests? If so why would a character below that level be placed it what I am guessing is pledge groups? I am glad that it seems to be actually finding groups but if what is being reported I would say that warrants a hot fix as soon as possible. It is obviously going to just lead to frustration on the part of everyone if you place people with such a discrepancy between levels regardless of how much you buff their pools. A guild mate linked a VR16 Briarheart piece last night with a tremendous 5 piece proc. My response was that it showed why anything below a VR16 build will not be able to compete with it.

    You have to be level 45 before getting a pledge.

    But the group dungeons are not restricted to people doing pledges, and can be done at any level. In fact when the game launched, they did not scale to group leader, they were part of the zone - so Fungal Grotto for example was for lvl 12-15 characters.

    A level 15 character can do a dungeon like Fungal Grotto on normal, but the point here is that they should be placed into a group with people of similar level so that the dungeon is scaled to level 15, rather than being placed with Veteran Rank characters and be buffed, because they will not have the skills unlocked or the gear to be able to complete it when the mobs are VR whatever.
    Edited by Epona222 on November 3, 2015 3:42PM
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  • Avenias
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    Epona222 wrote: »
    Ommamar wrote: »
    This isn't making sense to me. I didn't see anything in the 6 pages of patch notes but very possible I missed it. Is level 45 still required to start getting the pledge quests? If so why would a character below that level be placed it what I am guessing is pledge groups? I am glad that it seems to be actually finding groups but if what is being reported I would say that warrants a hot fix as soon as possible. It is obviously going to just lead to frustration on the part of everyone if you place people with such a discrepancy between levels regardless of how much you buff their pools. A guild mate linked a VR16 Briarheart piece last night with a tremendous 5 piece proc. My response was that it showed why anything below a VR16 build will not be able to compete with it.

    You have to be level 45 before getting a pledge.

    But the group dungeons are not restricted to people doing pledges, and can be done at any level. In fact when the game launched, they did not scale to group leader, they were part of the zone - so Fungal Grotto for example was for lvl 12-15 characters.

    A level 15 character can do a dungeon like Fungal Grotto on normal, but the point here is that they should be placed into a group with people of similar level so that the dungeon is scaled to level 15, rather than being placed with Veteran Rank characters and be buffed, because they will not have the skills unlocked or the gear to be able to complete it when the mobs are VR whatever.

    Exactly. There needs to be brackets within which ppl are sent to, not simply take a lv 15 and throw them into a vet 16 pledge party.
    Edited by Avenias on November 3, 2015 3:48PM
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