IC is Excellent.

Digerati

There's a lot of IC bashing going around these forums...

I think that the Imperial City is a great addition to Cyrodiil. I rarely have trouble finding a group to go down and punch molag bal and then go up an enemy side and out through the city with... It's a lot of fun. Get a group of 12 and do the delve, come out with 1200 stones, bank and repeat! It's awesome running into enemies down there... Or that feeling you get when you know there are stealthers watching you make the pull, and you pull anyway, hoping it'll lure them out to make them attack you so you can kill them...

It's basically everything I loved about Darkness Falls plus it has an awesome risk vs reward thing.

My only complaint is that as a healer, I rarely get stones from PvP kills... Can we make stones split evenly between the 12-man or split a little better? It seems like if you're with a group and you run into another group and drop them or whatever, one or two people get lucky and get all the stones, the rest of us just regret healing through the fight.

Kuroinu

Your last paragraph brings up a good point. Players should be able to group up and play any role and know that they'll be equally rewarded. A role should never be deterring because it's known to be less rewarding.

americansteel

Digerati wrote: »

There's a lot of IC bashing going around these forums...

I think that the Imperial City is a great addition to Cyrodiil. I rarely have trouble finding a group to go down and punch molag bal and then go up an enemy side and out through the city with... It's a lot of fun. Get a group of 12 and do the delve, come out with 1200 stones, bank and repeat! It's awesome running into enemies down there... Or that feeling you get when you know there are stealthers watching you make the pull, and you pull anyway, hoping it'll lure them out to make them attack you so you can kill them...

It's basically everything I loved about Darkness Falls plus it has an awesome risk vs reward thing.

My only complaint is that as a healer, I rarely get stones from PvP kills... Can we make stones split evenly between the 12-man or split a little better? It seems like if you're with a group and you run into another group and drop them or whatever, one or two people get lucky and get all the stones, the rest of us just regret healing through the fight.

such a small DLC or areas to grind in to earn trophies that we rarely get from boss kills and sorc trolls with X amount of CP shield stacking trying to gank PvErs.
this DLC atleast on console is very very very boring. i didn't find IC fun in the leas bit of way. i look at IC as another fill in the spot DLC. an attempt to keep players playing although IC is apart of the ESO lore.

AlienSlof

I agree with the OP. I'm not a PvPer, but I was pleasantly surprised when I first ran the sewers with a group of guildies. I even enjoy the encounters with enemy players - yes, I die a lot, but it's still a huge amount of fun. My main is not far off reaching v16 now and is saving stones and trophy bits for his v15 gear and toys.

Anorak

IC destroyed all of the hardcore endgame pve content that was rewarding and took more than one run to learn with a noob group. The fact is IC and the next dlc are leaving pve in a super solo non- group oriented place. Also pvp is trash now with people never dying for 10 mins with 3 people going all out on them. It is just plain stupid to see something like that and sets like sheild breaker exist to take people down instantly for simply using mechanics that are in the game how they were meant to be used.

Digerati

I don't see how IC destroyed hardcore endgame pve content... It's still there?

Can you elaborate on how IC negatively affected the PvE content outside of IC?

TheBull

IC is great. It just has TERRIBLE rewards.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Digerati wrote: »

There's a lot of IC bashing going around these forums...

I think that the Imperial City is a great addition to Cyrodiil. I rarely have trouble finding a group to go down and punch molag bal and then go up an enemy side and out through the city with... It's a lot of fun. Get a group of 12 and do the delve, come out with 1200 stones, bank and repeat! It's awesome running into enemies down there... Or that feeling you get when you know there are stealthers watching you make the pull, and you pull anyway, hoping it'll lure them out to make them attack you so you can kill them...

It's basically everything I loved about Darkness Falls plus it has an awesome risk vs reward thing.

My only complaint is that as a healer, I rarely get stones from PvP kills... Can we make stones split evenly between the 12-man or split a little better? It seems like if you're with a group and you run into another group and drop them or whatever, one or two people get lucky and get all the stones, the rest of us just regret healing through the fight.

No one complained about The Imperial City from a PvE point of view it's the lack on any PvP goal that people hate the problem is that it's PvE and having PvEer cutting any number of PvP players from a server is wrong. PvPer don't have much to do their and PvEers die to often.

Digerati wrote: »

I don't see how IC destroyed hardcore endgame pve content... It's still there?

Can you elaborate on how IC negatively affected the PvE content outside of IC?

Cause the gear dropped from other end game content is not VR16 getting gear at a level that has had its enchantments lowered on top of weaker stats makes it pointless why run DSA, Trails or SO for VR14 gear.

Digerati

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Cause the gear dropped from other end game content is not VR16 getting gear at a level that has had its enchantments lowered on top of weaker stats makes it pointless why run DSA, Trails or SO for VR14 gear.

Good point... that's a strong argument for eliminating VRs?

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Digerati wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Cause the gear dropped from other end game content is not VR16 getting gear at a level that has had its enchantments lowered on top of weaker stats makes it pointless why run DSA, Trails or SO for VR14 gear.

Good point... that's a strong argument for eliminating VRs?

They don't need to remove it just upgrade the Armor sets to max level my builds are all bottle necked to do the same thing max DPS. A lot of great five piece bonuses are not max level and that's a shame I love Shadow Walker, Dragon Guard, Warlock and not just five piece bonuses I love Unassailable jewelry for my tank builds but it's locked at VR12.

Some of the new set are good thing just don't work with my thinking or play style. Endurance is not a bad set it just is not needed for my 4% more heals taken is better then more stamina regen my tank has regen he need to maximize heals as much as possible.

I just want to really play my way and not be forced to run one of two builds per play style that's lame.

OrphanHelgen

It is excellent yes I have enjoyed it a lot. But I'm so bored now, have been there too much

Digerati

I have three tidbits that I feel would improve the PvP action in IC:

1. Split the modifier bonuses up a little more, to incentivise carrying 500+ stones, like 100=2x, 500=3x, 1000=4x, 5000=5x -- You'd see a lot less people banking all but 100.
2. Make TV drops split between everyone who had a hand in the kill, not just one lucky guy. This would make ganksquads much more appealing to participate in.
3. Make mobs easier to sneak passed, so you can walk all the way through with only rare compulsory PvE.


I really love IC, it's my favorite DLC ever. It's that Darkness Falls feeling that I loved so much about DAoC with an awesome risk vs reward system that just makes me fear for my actual life (I have a heart condition and it sometimes feels dangerous to get that excited!) and I just love it.

MrGrimey

Big surprise... A PVEer that likes IC. Maybe because IC is the worst excuse for a pvp update and is really a PVE update with PVP enabled

Anorak

Digerati wrote: »

I don't see how IC destroyed hardcore endgame pve content... It's still there?

Can you elaborate on how IC negatively affected the PvE content outside of IC?

Hardcore endgame pve content is every trial. They would not be named trial if it was not hardcore and they have been destroyed due to the fact that there is no reward for doing them. It used to be that you could get a little bonus that would push you over the top but now its worthless and no one wants to run it. So zos did ruin it and they ruined pve in general as they added the molag kena helmet dumbing down dps to "get molag kena shoulder" as it is better than everything else and you dont even have to go into that dungeon.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

@Digerati see this is the problem

MrGrimey wrote: »

Big surprise... A PVEer that likes IC. Maybe because IC is the worst excuse for a pvp update and is really a PVE update with PVP enabled

Where as PvE has had whole zones added, Trails and even Dailies added the content of PvP has need unchanged since launch no new quest, zones or anything just changes to how it all works.

When we finally get to go somewhere new and do something different it's just PvE with the PvP light on. No doubt it's a greT PvE zone then you're not getting ganked but it hurts PvP farmers in the city count to our limited player count and don't/can't defend keeps so you have three bars and two bars are farming Zergs.

Digerati

MrGrimey wrote: »

Big surprise... A PVEer that likes IC. Maybe because IC is the worst excuse for a pvp update and is really a PVE update with PVP enabled

OP here... I've been an almost exclusive Cyrodiilionaire my entire time in ESO... I'm not a PvEer. I haven't even completed Cadwell's Silver (holy *** i hate quests). I don't appreciate you. I hope you're on blue or red team.

Digerati

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

@Digerati see this is the problem

MrGrimey wrote: »

Big surprise... A PVEer that likes IC. Maybe because IC is the worst excuse for a pvp update and is really a PVE update with PVP enabled

Where as PvE has had whole zones added, Trails and even Dailies added the content of PvP has need unchanged since launch no new quest, zones or anything just changes to how it all works.

When we finally get to go somewhere new and do something different it's just PvE with the PvP light on. No doubt it's a greT PvE zone then you're not getting ganked but it hurts PvP farmers in the city count to our limited player count and don't/can't defend keeps so you have three bars and two bars are farming Zergs.

I don't share those complaints... I think that there is a lot of PvP to be had and I've seen quite a lot of action there, not sure where you've been but, for me, it's been great. When I'm in a zerg, I know not to lag behind because a pair of nightblades are waiting.. There's just more stalking and ganking.. there's PvP that tremendously rewards patience and I love the risk vs reward system...

But anyway, do you think my 3 tidbits as posted above might help the situation?

Helgi_Skotina

IC is quite fun with all the PvE players available to gank, but the mobs there are annoying.

Sandmanninja

If it wasn't for PvE'ers in IC desperately trying to find new content, you PvP'ers wouldn't have anyone to gank.
When 99% of PvE'ers leave IC and embrace Orsinium, maybe you gankers will have to stop ganking and have real PvP.

I think the world bosses and mobs is what is pissing off PvP'ers. What, you don't like it when you're "doing your own thing" and then all of a sudden something big and powerful tries to kill you?

Yeah, that's how we feel about gankers.

Helgi_Skotina

Sandmanninja wrote: »

If it wasn't for PvE'ers in IC desperately trying to find new content, you PvP'ers wouldn't have anyone to gank.
When 99% of PvE'ers leave IC and embrace Orsinium, maybe you gankers will have to stop ganking and have real PvP.

I think the world bosses and mobs is what is pissing off PvP'ers. What, you don't like it when you're "doing your own thing" and then all of a sudden something big and powerful tries to kill you?

Yeah, that's how we feel about gankers.

There is already a good system to gank PvErs like in cyrodiil. PvErs come to quest in quest zones - we kill them. Well, if you donw want to fight - you deserve to die.

medieval_TOG

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

Sandmanninja wrote: »

If it wasn't for PvE'ers in IC desperately trying to find new content, you PvP'ers wouldn't have anyone to gank.
When 99% of PvE'ers leave IC and embrace Orsinium, maybe you gankers will have to stop ganking and have real PvP.

I think the world bosses and mobs is what is pissing off PvP'ers. What, you don't like it when you're "doing your own thing" and then all of a sudden something big and powerful tries to kill you?

Yeah, that's how we feel about gankers.

There is already a good system to gank PvErs like in cyrodiil. PvErs come to quest in quest zones - we kill them. Well, if you donw want to fight - you deserve to die.

Have completed every quest in Cyrodiil, have managed to get all the skyshards and even got the fishing achievement - and not once did I die in PvP.

The only time I have died in PvP is in IC, and each time was to a ganking wrecking spam auto-hide NB. Heck I run solo in IC on my all crafting Templar!

If that is PvP in ESO, I'll stick to PvE.

Sausage

They surely aren getting enough credits for it. Ive had blast in IC last 5 week or so.

Sandmanninja

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

Sandmanninja wrote: »

If it wasn't for PvE'ers in IC desperately trying to find new content, you PvP'ers wouldn't have anyone to gank.
When 99% of PvE'ers leave IC and embrace Orsinium, maybe you gankers will have to stop ganking and have real PvP.

I think the world bosses and mobs is what is pissing off PvP'ers. What, you don't like it when you're "doing your own thing" and then all of a sudden something big and powerful tries to kill you?

Yeah, that's how we feel about gankers.

There is already a good system to gank PvErs like in cyrodiil. PvErs come to quest in quest zones - we kill them. Well, if you donw want to fight - you deserve to die.

Completely rude and elitist attitude.

"If you don't want to quest and get all of the skyshards and skill points, then you deserve to be an incompetent player"

Uninstall all of your macros and hacks and lets see what you can genuinely do.

Preyfar

I think IC just needs more incentive to fight there. TV stones only buy select sets, and most of those sets are so specialized... maybe if we could also buy existing sets, but in their VR16 variants, it may help a lot. It'd give people a lot more reason to want to play in IC.

FriedEggSandwich

I'm glad IC is there and I've had fun with it, but I'm unlikely to go there any more in it's current state. I like to pvp with objectives; the fights that emerge feel more satisfying. The fights in IC always feel dirty to me. Sometimes that's enjoyable, but I get tired of it quickly, probably due to the lack of structure, I like to have a reason to pick on opponents. I definitely find IC more stressful than regular pvp. I have my v16 gear, and now that orsinium is here I doubt I will need tv for much.

Digerati

In darkness falls, noobs could gear up by collecting different tiers of seals... we obviously can't have tiers of TVs...

How about the cost of the gear scale to level?

Farorin

My only gripe with IC are 8+ person groups, and the fact that there is no incentive to seek out PVP fights. We were told it would be a PVP DLC, but we got a PVE DLC with PVP enabled.

G0ku

Sandmanninja wrote: »

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

Sandmanninja wrote: »

If it wasn't for PvE'ers in IC desperately trying to find new content, you PvP'ers wouldn't have anyone to gank.
When 99% of PvE'ers leave IC and embrace Orsinium, maybe you gankers will have to stop ganking and have real PvP.

I think the world bosses and mobs is what is pissing off PvP'ers. What, you don't like it when you're "doing your own thing" and then all of a sudden something big and powerful tries to kill you?

Yeah, that's how we feel about gankers.

There is already a good system to gank PvErs like in cyrodiil. PvErs come to quest in quest zones - we kill them. Well, if you donw want to fight - you deserve to die.

Completely rude and elitist attitude.

"If you don't want to quest and get all of the skyshards and skill points, then you deserve to be an incompetent player"

Uninstall all of your macros and hacks and lets see what you can genuinely do.

This one is just showing off. Every single time I met him in IC while farming TV or trophies he got killed by me. It´s not that hard to kill a wb-spamming DK. But I have to say this one is kind of heroic, he seems to always be solo and he always comes back...

Helgi_Skotina

G0ku wrote: »

Sandmanninja wrote: »

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

Sandmanninja wrote: »

If it wasn't for PvE'ers in IC desperately trying to find new content, you PvP'ers wouldn't have anyone to gank.
When 99% of PvE'ers leave IC and embrace Orsinium, maybe you gankers will have to stop ganking and have real PvP.

I think the world bosses and mobs is what is pissing off PvP'ers. What, you don't like it when you're "doing your own thing" and then all of a sudden something big and powerful tries to kill you?

Yeah, that's how we feel about gankers.

There is already a good system to gank PvErs like in cyrodiil. PvErs come to quest in quest zones - we kill them. Well, if you donw want to fight - you deserve to die.

Completely rude and elitist attitude.

"If you don't want to quest and get all of the skyshards and skill points, then you deserve to be an incompetent player"

Uninstall all of your macros and hacks and lets see what you can genuinely do.

This one is just showing off. Every single time I met him in IC while farming TV or trophies he got killed by me. It´s not that hard to kill a wb-spamming DK. But I have to say this one is kind of heroic, he seems to always be solo and he always comes back...

You killed me no one time. Maybe sometimes when you had a 4+ men group so shut up.

Helgi_Skotina

Sandmanninja wrote: »

There is already a good system to gank PvErs like in cyrodiil. PvErs come to quest in quest zones - we kill them. Well, if you donw want to fight - you deserve to die.

Completely rude and elitist attitude.

"If you don't want to quest and get all of the skyshards and skill points, then you deserve to be an incompetent player"

Uninstall all of your macros and hacks and lets see what you can genuinely do. [/quote]
Of course, why should i let you quest in the only PvP zone in the game?

AtriasNaradan

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

G0ku wrote: »

Sandmanninja wrote: »

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

Sandmanninja wrote: »

If it wasn't for PvE'ers in IC desperately trying to find new content, you PvP'ers wouldn't have anyone to gank.
When 99% of PvE'ers leave IC and embrace Orsinium, maybe you gankers will have to stop ganking and have real PvP.

I think the world bosses and mobs is what is pissing off PvP'ers. What, you don't like it when you're "doing your own thing" and then all of a sudden something big and powerful tries to kill you?

Yeah, that's how we feel about gankers.

There is already a good system to gank PvErs like in cyrodiil. PvErs come to quest in quest zones - we kill them. Well, if you donw want to fight - you deserve to die.

Completely rude and elitist attitude.

"If you don't want to quest and get all of the skyshards and skill points, then you deserve to be an incompetent player"

Uninstall all of your macros and hacks and lets see what you can genuinely do.

This one is just showing off. Every single time I met him in IC while farming TV or trophies he got killed by me. It´s not that hard to kill a wb-spamming DK. But I have to say this one is kind of heroic, he seems to always be solo and he always comes back...

You killed me no one time. Maybe sometimes when you had a 4+ men group so shut up.

busted *wakwaw* lol