PVE Imperial Sewers

RAGUNAnoOne

Asherons_Call wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Digerati wrote: »

Sandmanninja wrote: »

Digerati wrote: »

I'm so confused... Imperial city is a wonderful place. You get to pvp while you pve.. 3 factions competing over the glory and honor of slaying the demons.

In tamriel, otherworldly invaders is the norm. The alliances are fighting a war over who will rule all of tamriel, dremora included.

Why the hell do care bears hate IC?

Dude your attitude screams it all too well. "Care Bears"?! Really?

And we "get" to PvP? Really? We have the honor?

Why the hell do gankers not understand... people that enjoy PvE have absolutely NO INTEREST in questing and then getting ganked repeatedly (Whoa - that's fun!!) as we try to turn the quest in, or get ambushed when trying to gather the various items required for the quest.

If there was a way to simply flag yourself as being available for PvP, then I'd have no concern in going there.
Ganker #1: "Oh look, there's some fresh meat!" (crouches and begins moving in)
Ganker #2: "Wait, they aren't flagged. We can't kill them"
Ganker #1: "Oh, like a flag of truce? Okay fair enough."

That way, the sick, twisted, deranged people that enjoy waylaying the innocent questers can only kill other like-minded individuals.

Now that's fair!

There is a way to flag for PvP.. It's called entering cyrodiil... No one is forcing you to enter cyrodiil.

They're not talking about Cyrodiil.They're talking a bout IC. A different place,dontcha know.Anyone can solo and quest in Cyrodiil.You just have to keep your he ad up and watch for NP enemies. I've only been ganked there once.It was my first time there and I wound up right in the middle of a battle.Got killed by an invisible ganking NB.

The imperial city is the capital of Cyrodiil though..

As a longtime PVE player I'm not a fan of being ganked, but at the same time I'm used to it. Just let them kill you and then release and run right back there and and find them. Don't attack just make funny emotes at them. After a while they won't consider you to be a threat anymore.

After a few tries of getting ganked be a certain blue shield I just kept running back and played the lute for her. After the third time or so she just laughed and sheathed her weapon. After that we kind of ran around together killing stuff. We even came across a member of the third faction and he was confused that we weren't fighting each other so he joined in helping us kill mobs. There we were members of all three alliances running around confusing everyone we ran across

I truly wish I could have that kind of experience however on PS4 everyone hates the pact including other members of the pact

Volkodav

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

To all of you screaming "dont go to Cyrodiil":
You dont get tv stones in Cyrodiil! ONLY IN IC,which is what the OP is talking about.NOT CYRODIIL! Jeez,guys,c'mon! You talk about PvE players whining,you guys whine insanely if you dont get everything you want ingameNot fait! Too much PvE content,etc.

PvEers are literally two days away from content that will give them the things they need for VR 16 gear without having to go to IC. So..............

So,..your point being?

Volkodav

Asherons_Call wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Digerati wrote: »

Sandmanninja wrote: »

Digerati wrote: »

I'm so confused... Imperial city is a wonderful place. You get to pvp while you pve.. 3 factions competing over the glory and honor of slaying the demons.

In tamriel, otherworldly invaders is the norm. The alliances are fighting a war over who will rule all of tamriel, dremora included.

Why the hell do care bears hate IC?

Dude your attitude screams it all too well. "Care Bears"?! Really?

And we "get" to PvP? Really? We have the honor?

Why the hell do gankers not understand... people that enjoy PvE have absolutely NO INTEREST in questing and then getting ganked repeatedly (Whoa - that's fun!!) as we try to turn the quest in, or get ambushed when trying to gather the various items required for the quest.

If there was a way to simply flag yourself as being available for PvP, then I'd have no concern in going there.
Ganker #1: "Oh look, there's some fresh meat!" (crouches and begins moving in)
Ganker #2: "Wait, they aren't flagged. We can't kill them"
Ganker #1: "Oh, like a flag of truce? Okay fair enough."

That way, the sick, twisted, deranged people that enjoy waylaying the innocent questers can only kill other like-minded individuals.

Now that's fair!

There is a way to flag for PvP.. It's called entering cyrodiil... No one is forcing you to enter cyrodiil.

They're not talking about Cyrodiil.They're talking a bout IC. A different place,dontcha know.Anyone can solo and quest in Cyrodiil.You just have to keep your he ad up and watch for NP enemies. I've only been ganked there once.It was my first time there and I wound up right in the middle of a battle.Got killed by an invisible ganking NB.

The imperial city is the capital of Cyrodiil though..

As a longtime PVE player I'm not a fan of being ganked, but at the same time I'm used to it. Just let them kill you and then release and run right back there and and find them. Don't attack just make funny emotes at them. After a while they won't consider you to be a threat anymore.

After a few tries of getting ganked be a certain blue shield I just kept running back and played the lute for her. After the third time or so she just laughed and sheathed her weapon. After that we kind of ran around together killing stuff. We even came across a member of the third faction and he was confused that we weren't fighting each other so he joined in helping us kill mobs. There we were members of all three alliances running around confusing everyone we ran across

Hehehe.Sounds like fun. :}
I only said that because everyone w as talking as if the OP was speaking about Cyrodiil,our ingame place,but they were talking about the DCL IC.

Sandmanninja

The level of duschbaggery in this post is unbelievably high.

AlnilamE

First of all, there are no quests in the sewers. There are quests in the districts.

Second, you have issues.

Third, what do you lose (that you don't want to keep) by being killed by a player? It's a minor inconvenience. Just release and go at it again. It won't even generate a repair bill. If you don't let it bother you, then it doesn't matter. You are the one for whom being killed by a player (rather than a mob) is a big deal.

Fourth, IC has been pretty quiet lately already. I ran a few of the districts with friends yesterday and we didn't see a single enemy player. Today, we saw a few AD players, including a sorc that tried to harass us. Come Monday, the place will be even emptier. So just gather your friends and quest there to your heart's content.

Volkodav

Sandmanninja wrote: »

The level of duschbaggery in this post is unbelievably high.

That was insightful.

Korah_Eaglecry

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

To all of you screaming "dont go to Cyrodiil":
You dont get tv stones in Cyrodiil! ONLY IN IC,which is what the OP is talking about.NOT CYRODIIL! Jeez,guys,c'mon! You talk about PvE players whining,you guys whine insanely if you dont get everything you want ingameNot fait! Too much PvE content,etc.

PvEers are literally two days away from content that will give them the things they need for VR 16 gear without having to go to IC. So..............

So,..your point being?

That you can stop complaining as of the 2nd. If that wasnt already obvious.

Volkodav

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

To all of you screaming "dont go to Cyrodiil":
You dont get tv stones in Cyrodiil! ONLY IN IC,which is what the OP is talking about.NOT CYRODIIL! Jeez,guys,c'mon! You talk about PvE players whining,you guys whine insanely if you dont get everything you want ingameNot fait! Too much PvE content,etc.

PvEers are literally two days away from content that will give them the things they need for VR 16 gear without having to go to IC. So..............

So,..your point being?

That you can stop complaining as of the 2nd. If that wasnt already obvious.

Personally,I could care less if there is more of this or that content.I'm not complaining about that.I was commenting on how the OP was talking about the DLC IC,..and not ingame Cyrodiil.So why be snide?

Emma_Overload

I'd love to kiss IC goodbye forever with the launch of Orsinium, but there's a problem. Mobs in the sewers drop around 1050 XP, whereas most Orsinium mobs drop around 650 when I checked on the PTS last week. That's a HUGE difference for CP and XP grinding, and that's not even considering the higher mob density in the IC.

ZOS has a chance to fix a lot of the PvE complaints with this DLC, but they just can't seem to let go of their ill-conceived attempt to "social engineer" PvEers into doing PvP. As long as mob XP is 50% higher in IC than Orisinium, there will always be PvEers grinding the sewers, and ganking is still going to be a problem.

@ZOS, please make XP consistent across same level zones!

Volkodav

I've never been interested in my XP or CPs,or even levels.I just love to play t he game for the quests and the great community it has.

MrGrimey

IC did a great job at pissing off PVPers and PVEers... Such a bad DLC, it actually got me to quit pvp

Laerian

The solution is called a PvP toggle, 24 hours cooldown and that cannot be used in combat.

If the devs don't understand that many people don't give a rat about their PvP dreamed world then they'll continue knocking their heads against the reality.

Helgi_Skotina

BalticBlues wrote: »

aneova_ESO wrote: »

I get it, it's a war.

It is not even that.
The IC is a madhouse.

In real life, people would help each other against invaders from another world.
Only ZOS thinks that people should rather kill each other to level their gear.

I will never visit the sick IC ganker place once V15+ mats will be available in Orsinium.
The IC then will become an asylum for sociopathic gankers who can worship their king Molag Bal.

Speak about yourself i never will aid an enemy, no matter who invides.

Helgi_Skotina

Why PvP players should give up their only ganking zone just becaus some carebears dont want to die?

Volkodav

AlnilamE wrote: »

First of all, there are no quests in the sewers. There are quests in the districts.

Second, you have issues.

Third, what do you lose (that you don't want to keep) by being killed by a player? It's a minor inconvenience. Just release and go at it again. It won't even generate a repair bill. If you don't let it bother you, then it doesn't matter. You are the one for whom being killed by a player (rather than a mob) is a big deal.

Fourth, IC has been pretty quiet lately already. I ran a few of the districts with friends yesterday and we didn't see a single enemy player. Today, we saw a few AD players, including a sorc that tried to harass us. Come Monday, the place will be even emptier. So just gather your friends and quest there to your heart's content.

Not true.I also dont like getting killed by another player.I dont do PvP,and if anyone wants to play it with me,they should be forced to ask if I am up for the challenge.Just as in WoW. People shouldnt sneak up and Gank you just because they like it.

Volkodav

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

Why PvP players should give up their only ganking zone just becaus some carebears dont want to die?

Awe,what's wrong? Dont like Carebears? So sorry.Better than a gankster anytime.

Helgi_Skotina

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

People shouldnt sneak up and Gank you just because they like it.

People shouldnt do free PvE without getting ganked just bevause they like it.

Volkodav

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

People shouldnt sneak up and Gank you just because they like it.

People shouldnt do free PvE without getting ganked just bevause they like it.

Why shouldnt they? They arent cowards who sneak up on people who arent into being killed by some cheap gankster who wont fight them squarely.

Helgi_Skotina

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

People shouldnt sneak up and Gank you just because they like it.

People shouldnt do free PvE without getting ganked just bevause they like it.

Why shouldnt they? They arent cowards who sneak up on people who arent into being killed by some cheap gankster who wont fight them squarely.

Because it is fun. And it is normal, IRL you also have no need to warn someone when you hit em.

Volkodav

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Helgi_Skotina wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

People shouldnt sneak up and Gank you just because they like it.

People shouldnt do free PvE without getting ganked just bevause they like it.

Why shouldnt they? They arent cowards who sneak up on people who arent into being killed by some cheap gankster who wont fight them squarely.

Because it is fun. And it is normal, IRL you also have no need to warn someone when you hit em.

Typical. I can see your view of life.

Digerati

Laerian wrote: »

The solution is called a PvP toggle, 24 hours cooldown and that cannot be used in combat.

If the devs don't understand that many people don't give a rat about their PvP dreamed world then they'll continue knocking their heads against the reality.

Nope. That can be used for spying, clearing mobs, etc. Your mere presence effects PvP.

I don't think adding a coop campaign would be wise either... free TVS campaign? that would kill the fun and excitement of the risk vs reward system they've got going on in IC.

IC is awesome content. I loved darkness falls and I think IC is everything DF was except more.

aneova_ESO

All i want to do is the quests in Imperial City, with people, who aren't trying to kill me, I've got mobs that do that, I don't need to worry about players killing my while I'm in mid dialog with an NPC.

Digerati

aneova_ESO wrote: »

All i want to do is the quests in Imperial City, with people, who aren't trying to kill me, I've got mobs that do that, I don't need to worry about players killing my while I'm in mid dialog with an NPC.

The only way I won't loudly protest any sort of PvE Imperial City is if it gave ZERO XP, ZERO TVs, and ZERO loot. You want to do it just for the completion and the achievements, whatever, no sane person cares about that. But if you're even partially rewarded for doing so (outside of your achievement board), you're hindering the risk vs reward system.

Angarato

why the *** would you destroy your trophies, style pages and malachite shards?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAKG-kbKeIo

Kwivur

aneova_ESO wrote: »

All i want to do is the quests in Imperial City, with people, who aren't trying to kill me, I've got mobs that do that, I don't need to worry about players killing my while I'm in mid dialog with an NPC.

Why didn't you just get the Witcher?

Campana

aneova_ESO wrote: »

For those who like PVP fine, have your PVP, it's never been my thing to chase other players to try and kill them. [...] I have no desire for Tel Var stones, I'd be happy to destroy every single one i have and infact can you add that in too? I've destroyed ever page fragment for both styles, every purple piece of garbage to unlock those hidden treasure rooms also destroyed, malachite fragments all in my unending hate of the DLC known as "Imperial City". I get it, it's a war, I didn't say remove it, just give those who don't PVP a place to explore as well.

Thank you for making a thread for the delight and enjoyment of PvPers everywhere. I very much enjoyed reading your OP.

ostrapz

Why would youallow pve to go "unflagged". That makes the population smaller. Not only tht , the point of ic is its supposed to be dangerous and risk pvp battle. If you that scared of people there are buff servers and you can zerg for hours untouched

Emma_Overload

Digerati wrote: »

aneova_ESO wrote: »

All i want to do is the quests in Imperial City, with people, who aren't trying to kill me, I've got mobs that do that, I don't need to worry about players killing my while I'm in mid dialog with an NPC.

The only way I won't loudly protest any sort of PvE Imperial City is if it gave ZERO XP, ZERO TVs, and ZERO loot. You want to do it just for the completion and the achievements, whatever, no sane person cares about that. But if you're even partially rewarded for doing so (outside of your achievement board), you're hindering the risk vs reward system.

Get real... no one will play for zero XP and zero loot. The "risk vs reward system" is BROKEN and has been since IC was on the PTS. Why should a PvE grinder risk losing the 1000 stones he spent 30 minutes earning to a ganker with ZERO stones?

The only purpose of Tel Var looting was to trick PvE players into offering themselves up as target dummies for bored PvP players. It's time for ZOS (and everyone else) to admit that that scheme was a FAILURE. Except for a handful of selfish gankers, PvP players complain about IC constantly on the forums, and of course most PvE players hate it.

ZOS has already admitted that there are too many PvP campaigns anyway. Why not just make one of them flagged for PvE only? PvE players will be happy, and REAL PvP players won't care... only lazy gankers who like to bully PvE "carebears" will still be complaining.

Fat-Larry-Makes-All

This thread is very entertaining, all these people acting like they do deserve the rewards from IC but without taking the same risks everybody else is. Because apparently PvE only players are speshul.

"Why should a PvE grinder risk losing the 1000 stones he spent 30 minutes earning to a ganker with ZERO stones?"

Oh gee I don't know, maybe it's because killing a player controlled character is about 23.5 harder than killing some mobs?

FuzzyDuck79

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Digerati wrote: »

aneova_ESO wrote: »

All i want to do is the quests in Imperial City, with people, who aren't trying to kill me, I've got mobs that do that, I don't need to worry about players killing my while I'm in mid dialog with an NPC.

The only way I won't loudly protest any sort of PvE Imperial City is if it gave ZERO XP, ZERO TVs, and ZERO loot. You want to do it just for the completion and the achievements, whatever, no sane person cares about that. But if you're even partially rewarded for doing so (outside of your achievement board), you're hindering the risk vs reward system.

Get real... no one will play for zero XP and zero loot. The "risk vs reward system" is BROKEN and has been since IC was on the PTS. Why should a PvE grinder risk losing the 1000 stones he spent 30 minutes earning to a ganker with ZERO stones?

The only purpose of Tel Var looting was to trick PvE players into offering themselves up as target dummies for bored PvP players. It's time for ZOS (and everyone else) to admit that that scheme was a FAILURE. Except for a handful of selfish gankers, PvP players complain about IC constantly on the forums, and of course most PvE players hate it.

ZOS has already admitted that there are too many PvP campaigns anyway. Why not just make one of them flagged for PvE only? PvE players will be happy, and REAL PvP players won't care... only lazy gankers who like to bully PvE "carebears" will still be complaining.

The whole game is based around 2 things: the war with molag bal and the war in Cyrodiil. Suggesting you take half the plot out the game to tailor to people that don't "want" to play the game how it's intended is ludicrous. So should we now add a PvP element to any PvE content in future, just to make it fair? I'm sure you'd love that! You also state that PvP players were better off, but they had a chance to lose stones too, as equally as you did. Its not something that just effects PvE players.