When will we know who created the Elder Scrolls?

anitajoneb17_ESO

Acrolas wrote: »

My theory is the scrolls weren't created, and that's the significance behind the scroll cylinder. Unopened, it doesn't have a real beginning or a real ending. It just circles for infinity into the past and future.

Actually no, there *are* scrolls within the cylinders, and they can be read - at your own risk, because they make you blind. That's what the priests of the Ancestral Moth do - after a lot of training, but they still go blind after a while, and that's why the Prophet is ESO is blind, too.

Elsonso

Aeula wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Michael Kirkbride ! :-)

No. Just no. Fan fiction isn't lore.

Actually, this is one game world where fan fiction can be just as much a part of the lore as what appears in the games. If the fan fiction is well written as an historical or academic account, is internally consistent and thought out, and fits into existing canon lore, there is no reason to discount it. At least, not on the basis of it being fan fiction.

Sting864

lordrichter wrote: »

GuyNamedSean wrote: »

I always assumed that, considering the scrolls do not obey time properly as everything else does

This is the key. From our perspective, the Elder Scrolls might as well have created themselves. There is no such thing as a time before the Elder Scrolls.

From their perspective, they just are. There is no time involved. They simply exist.

It's the "Beethoven's fifth" paradox. Considering the scrolls do not obey time properly, what if you could travel back in time, to when the Elder Scrolls were created, but when you got there, there was no concept of an Elder Scroll. Fortunately, you brought copies from the future... but you didn't CREATE them, you copied them... From what??
--guitar riff from "Beethoven's Fifth..."

Vrienda

lordrichter wrote: »

Aeula wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Michael Kirkbride ! :-)

No. Just no. Fan fiction isn't lore.

Actually, this is one game world where fan fiction can be just as much a part of the lore as what appears in the games. If the fan fiction is well written as an historical or academic account, is internally consistent and thought out, and fits into existing canon lore, there is no reason to discount it. At least, not on the basis of it being fan fiction.

I don't see how. You can create theories about the lore and such, but creating some terrible fan fiction that doesn't fit the world one iota (And basically destroy's the world itself in the same breath) should not be counted as canon lore just because one guy worked on an early game before the series became popular.

TV's, spaceships and fashion magazines with vivecs face on it are not in-keeping with the lore and shouldn't be considered such. And since his more tame stuff is from the same timeline he has in his warped mind, it shouldn't be classed as canon either.

anitajoneb17_ESO

I wouldn't call "fan fiction" the creations of a guy who used to be one of the main creator of the Elder Scrolls Universe. Now he's not working for Beth anymore and even less for ZOS, but he still writes pieces here and there for the games and is in touch with them for many lore-related stuff. I understand that his "independant" writings are controversial but in my eyes he is THE lore master for Elder Scrolls and cannot be "downgraded" to "fan-fiction". But that's my opinion, I kinda knew that bringing up his name would possibly lead to this kind of debate. To each his own, and let's not derail the topic :-)

Acrolas

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Actually no, there *are* scrolls within the cylinders, and they can be read - at your own risk, because they make you blind.

But you probably would go blind if you spent half of your life bending your vision to look through the parchment at a complex idea. And while you can measure the circumference and height, when bending dimensions, the diameter of the rolled scroll could be infinite.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Michael Kirkbride ! :-)

No he didn't, he didn't join until Morrowind and then he rage quit and left.

icontested

Doflamingo wrote: »

Even though the Elder Scrolls series began since very long ago, if i am not wrong Skyrim was the first time that we saw and touched an acctual Elder Scroll and still everyone was saying that their origins are unknown and they existed forever. The only guess i can make is that Akatosh made them in case the Daedric Princes ally together and try to battle against the Divines and also because there isnt anyone higher in power than Akatosh

The real creator was a drunken bum outside a ringling brothers circus tent on the streets of new York city. For the low price of a bottle of vodka his ramblings were stolen and created into a game. Ha

Elsonso

Aeula wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Aeula wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Michael Kirkbride ! :-)

No. Just no. Fan fiction isn't lore.

Actually, this is one game world where fan fiction can be just as much a part of the lore as what appears in the games. If the fan fiction is well written as an historical or academic account, is internally consistent and thought out, and fits into existing canon lore, there is no reason to discount it. At least, not on the basis of it being fan fiction.

I don't see how. You can create theories about the lore and such, but creating some terrible fan fiction that doesn't fit the world one iota (And basically destroy's the world itself in the same breath) should not be counted as canon lore just because one guy worked on an early game before the series became popular.

How? Well, for starters, by making the fan fiction so that it fits the world and does not destroy the world. Please see the sentence I highlighted above. I am not talking about any one contributor or source, but I am saying that calling it "fan fiction" does not automatically negate it.

Sithisvoid

The current loremaster is one of the reasons I decided to try ESO he made some awesome modules for D and D way back in the day. Michael Kirkbride is probably alright But I would say Lawrence Shick trumps him in the RPG world.

Vrienda

Sithisvoid wrote: »

The current loremaster is one of the reasons I decided to try ESO he made some awesome modules for D and D way back in the day. Michael Kirkbride is probably alright But I would say Lawrence Shick trumps him in the RPG world.

Kirkbride is a nutjob. Lawrence actually gives a damn about the lore, feeling and setting of the world.

Moonshadow66

Tryxus wrote: »

Oblivion was the first game to feature an actual Elder Scroll

When you had to steal of during the Thieves Guild questline

This quest was epic! One of the best Thieves Guild quests of all ES games, if not THE best!

Glorious_One

I think Sithis created them. Since it is theorized that he is the father and originator both the Aedra and Deadra. And there is not much known about him. I would not be surprised if he wrote most of the elder scrolls.

Prabooo

Artemisshrikes

lordrichter wrote: »

GuyNamedSean wrote: »

I always assumed that, considering the scrolls do not obey time properly as everything else does

This is the key. From our perspective, the Elder Scrolls might as well have created themselves. There is no such thing as a time before the Elder Scrolls.

From their perspective, they just are. There is no time involved. They simply exist.

exactly like think of it as the big bang

Glorious_One

lordrichter wrote: »

GuyNamedSean wrote: »

I always assumed that, considering the scrolls do not obey time properly as everything else does

This is the key. From our perspective, the Elder Scrolls might as well have created themselves. There is no such thing as a time before the Elder Scrolls.

From their perspective, they just are. There is no time involved. They simply exist.

But there was Sithis, the void who was before all andnfather of all.

Pomaikai

The Elders wrote them..... Duh!

LBxFinalDeath

Then all of a sudden its revealed that...

Sithis created the Elder Scrolls.

Pomaikai

And of course the REALLY important question is...

Who wrote the Younger Scrolls, and where are they now?

stevenbennett_ESO

According to our private family history, my great great (and a couple of dozen other greats…) grandfather Alfred Zgwortz, founder of the first Loremonger's Guild (at least, the first one *I've* ever heard of…), was palling around with his Uncle Sheo one day and Sheogorath said, "You know what would be fun? Lets write up a bunch of scrolls with crazy prophecies and send them all over time and watch all the mortals fight over what those prophecies mean and who has control over the scrolls! We can give them a cryptic name like the 'Aedric Prophecies' so people will take them seriously. It'd be a hoot! Ha ha! Better yet, why don't you go off and write them for me, Alfie old boy?"

Of course, Alfred said yes, and the rest is history. Or will have eventually been history, as the family record says that Alfred was sent into the future to find out what happened (or could have happened) so the prophecies would be right before sending the scrolls into the distant past. Or present. Or wherever they happen to be because they're not really all that stable, time wise.

Come to think about it, Alfred wasn't all that stable himself, so it could just have been a crazy rant. But he *did* disappear. And when I asked Sheogorath about it during all that funny business with Eyevea, he just laughed and said "That would be telling!" In a way, it's comforting to think of the Elder Scrolls as one of Sheogorath's biggest pranks on the world so far.

Because if they aren't, they're a LOT more scary.

Archibald Zgwortz VII, Loremonger 7th rank

Gidorick

Pomaikai wrote: »

And of course the REALLY important question is...

Who wrote the Younger Scrolls, and where are they now?

They just got older....

dodgehopper_ESO

Phil from Accounting wrote them on his lunch break.

Epona222

What is wrong with not knowing everything about stuff? Keep a sense of mystery.
Remember Lost, everyone was crying to know what was going on, and *that* didn't end well.