ETA for Race Change?

AGrz5585

It's been confirmed. Appearance, race, and name change are coming. I'm hoping for thieves guild DLC or dark brotherhood at the latest

Aoife32001

There is a high likelihood of the universe's heat death occurring before a barber shop and race editor is added to the game.

PainfulFAFA

Xjcon wrote: »

It's faster to level the race you want at this point.

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by the time zos patches anything you could've leveled 3 v16s by then no joke...

Forestd16b14_ESO

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So my question is will we be able to change appearance and name when/if this happens?

We know the "Barber Shop" is in the work's. Since this is taking so long, one can hope that there will be new hairstyle's and feature's to change. Most likely changeable with gold or crown's. Possibly new building's and npc's to go with this, an actual Barber Shop you can enter.

I'm not to sure if Race Change will be included. This is a touchy subject for some.

There's so little known about both. All we get is "they are in the work's" statement's.

I just wanna change my name and hair style that's it

Lithium Flower

Race, faction, sex changes are a terrible cop out idea and I suffer every day for having a 'main' that is a different faction than most of the my friends and a nightblade which would benefit a lot from race change but some things ought to be permanent and absolutely indelible about a character otherwise what is even the point of character generation at the start.

You have to live with the permanent choices you made - that is the core of the rpg experience. Don't like it, don't play.

Yes, racials matter. Yes, they have been changed but no character is completely nonviable as a result of those changes. There is no content you cannot do because your [class] is [race X] instead of [race Y]. If you want to min-max that last extra edge that badly, then work for it. Reroll.

What is up with all you people who want alts but don't want to put in the time/effort to obtain them.

jhharvest

If there is race / profession change in my opinion these can't be paid options. Otherwise I predict a future where Zos has an incentive to periodically break classes and races - "If you want to min/max you can always pay for a race change", right?

GreenSoup2HoT

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

It's faster to level the race you want at this point.

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by the time zos patches anything you could've leveled 3 v16s by then no joke...

This is used consistently as an excuse, however there is more time invested into "main's" then character's you just grind to v16.

I have 100's of complete achievement's . I have most of the title's and have most of the bag space unlocked as well.

If Zos plan's on doing racial passive balance's, it should be available. There are many people who did not roll Bosmer for example and rolled imperial. Now that they got more recovery, many like myself regret not rolling a bosmer.

Being told to suck it up is also a bad excuse. Race change is a fine feature, this is a video game.

Gilvoth

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So my question is will we be able to change appearance and name when/if this happens?

We know the "Barber Shop" is in the work's. Since this is taking so long, one can hope that there will be new hairstyle's and feature's to change. Most likely changeable with gold or crown's. Possibly new building's and npc's to go with this, an actual Barber Shop you can enter.

I'm not to sure if Race Change will be included. This is a touchy subject for some.

There's so little known about both. All we get is "they are in the work's" statement's.

I just wanna change my name and hair style that's it

me also, your not alone.

Iluvrien

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

It's faster to level the race you want at this point.

this
by the time zos patches anything you could've leveled 3 v16s by then no joke...

This is used consistently as an excuse, however there is more time invested into "main's" then character's you just grind to v16.

I have 100's of complete achievement's . I have most of the title's and have most of the bag space unlocked as well.

If Zos plan's on doing racial passive balance's, it should be available. There are many people who did not roll Bosmer for example and rolled imperial. Now that they got more recovery, many like myself regret not rolling a bosmer.

Being told to suck it up is also a bad excuse. Race change is a fine feature, this is a video game.

...and the role-playing aspect of this video game?

As an honest question, is there any aspect of your "main" that you would not dump for a mechanical advantage?

GreenSoup2HoT

@Iluvrien

I don't quite get what your asking. I would not dump being a vampire, even though some would say being none-vamp has an advantage if that's what your talking about.

At first release for console, the imperial edition sucked me into the imperial race since it was so "exclusive". I actually would want to race change into a Bosmer because they are the shortest race and suit my play-style a little more in end game pvp.

Race change is like the crown store item's, people argue about the price and how ridiculous it is. You can always just not buy anything. Same goes for race change, for some it's a relief for bad decision's or just to change thing's up. If you don't like race change, don't race change.

The only thing people are really arguing about is "character identity" and "meta racial passive's". Then there's also the crowd who say thing's like "deal with it" or "make another character".

I think there is nothing wrong with race change whether it be for comedic reason's or just to change up your passive's for different build's.

If you race change, you will have to gain all the experience for that race anyway's to gain access to the passive's.

You could also make this lore-friendly if you really wanted to. Make it some ritual and turn yourself into another race.

Lithium Flower

You don't have to lose your 'main'. You can keep all achievements and titles and honours on your main. You just level up a different character to experience the different play style. You achieved vet maelstrom as a Sorcerer but why should you automatically get the title on a Templar? You didn't earn it on that character.

I played a Dunmer DK v16 for damage up until the last patch, now I play DD on a Sorceror because it's more fun and leveled up an imperial DK v16 for tanking because of the stamina regeneration change. I also have a PvP Templar heal-tank and a PvE Templar damage healer - both Bretons, the only difference being gear and build. Yes, it means my achievements and titles are spread out over six characters and maybe I had to spend more time grinding/questing in game than someone with one character but it's a direct consequence of my choices.

In order to gain something, you have to lose something else - be it time, effort, achievement consolidation in this case or whatever.

You have Player A puts in 4 hours every evening for two years into this game and is able to achieve/experience more than Player B who puts in 2 hours every evening for 6 months. It's not that Player B has less time than Player A - both have the same 24 hours in a day, they just have different priorities and have made different choices.

GreenSoup2HoT

@Lithium Flower

You statement is true to a point. Some people do not have the time to re-grind up a new character or simply do not want to. Why would i re-grind a character who is going to be exactly the same, the exact same experience. Same build same everything. However just a different set of racial passive's to fit my play-style. People will harp and say i'm going with a meta race but i'm already a meta race.

If someone want's to pay up to min-max their build and switch between magicka and stamina race's who care's. This is the customer's decision.

Giving anyone the choice to switch race is just good for business and the customer.


Yes it's possible to level up really fast and completely avoid this feature, however this does not mean this feature should not exist. I will wait for this feature since it's not that big of deal in the long run. I won't get butt hurt because i cannot race change. However i would still like to know if race change is something Zos plan's on implementing in the future. Simply based on the fact, if i could i would.

Mettaricana

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

It's faster to level the race you want at this point.

this
by the time zos patches anything you could've leveled 3 v16s by then no joke...

200+ vr 16s

Lithium Flower

Why not put v16 templates, end game gear and all achievements on the crown store too. I'd really like Ruby Thrones red dye and the costume and the title but I don't have time for 24 hour PvP, my ping is really bad too because I'm far from the server which means it's nearly impossible for me to do vet Maelstrom. Shall we put all that stuff in the crown store too?

You can change stamina/magicka any time and train up whatever skills you need. What is desired here is the 'reward' of grinding a different character by paying money to bypass the effort. That's just not right. Why should only that grind be bypassable? I find PvP unpleasant because of lag and aforementioned ping issues but I'd really like Magicka detonation and barrier for PvE. Maybe an option in the crown store to pay 1500 crowns for those?

WreckfulAbandon

Sorry but I can't get behind race changes, that's just too much even given how racial passives have changed... I just can't, call me old fashioned... Cosmetic changes and name changes should have been introduced a long time ago.

I'm actually on the verge of deleting my old main because of his crappy name that I have petitioned to have changed several times over the last year to no avail. v16 with a pretty high Alliance Rank and I simply cannot stand his name any longer and have no faith in ZOS offering any kind of name change (unless you violate the TOS, funny how that works huh?).

Actually I take that back, I know someone who requested a name change and was given one...

AngryNord

Lithium Flower wrote: »

Why not put v16 templates, end game gear and all achievements on the crown store too. I'd really like Ruby Thrones red dye and the costume and the title but I don't have time for 24 hour PvP, my ping is really bad too because I'm far from the server which means it's nearly impossible for me to do vet Maelstrom. Shall we put all that stuff in the crown store too?

Sssshhh, don't give them ideas!!!

olsborg

Merely leveling a toon to v16 is one thing, but maxing every skill line and individual morphs that you want and passives and achievments etc is another thing entirely. Theres AvA skills, morhps of other lines, crafting passives, undaunted etc etc.

Godspeed

It was confirmed this is going to happen. Why are people still arguing over this?

Iluvrien

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Iluvrien

I don't quite get what your asking. I would not dump being a vampire, even though some would say being none-vamp has an advantage if that's what your talking about.

Quite simply, if there was anything about your main that made it a "character", rather than a "toon". At least vampirism seems to meet the criteria even if nothing else does. Nothing about your character's name, appearance, class, abilities, interaction with the story or choices seem to do so... but at least vampirism does.

At first release for console, the imperial edition sucked me into the imperial race since it was so "exclusive". I actually would want to race change into a Bosmer because they are the shortest race and suit my play-style a little more in end game pvp.

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Race change is like the crown store item's, people argue about the price and how ridiculous it is. You can always just not buy anything. Same goes for race change, for some it's a relief for bad decision's or just to change thing's up. If you don't like race change, don't race change.

The only thing people are really arguing about is "character identity" and "meta racial passive's". Then there's also the crowd who say thing's like "deal with it" or "make another character".

I think there is nothing wrong with race change whether it be for comedic reason's or just to change up your passive's for different build's.

If you race change, you will have to gain all the experience for that race anyway's to gain access to the passive's.

You could also make this lore-friendly if you really wanted to. Make it some ritual and turn yourself into another race.

Except that the "if you don't like it then don't use it and it won't affect you" argument has been shown to have a massive assumption in it for over a year now. Multiple people have posted on the subject since the early days of PC release (heck, I've just looked at my own post history and found posts on this subject from July 2014). The assumption is that the inclusion of the race-change mechanic will change nothing else about the game, i.e. it won't affect people looking for group members, it won't affect race populations due to FOTM/meta builds, it won't affect people calling for ZOS to nerf a race because it is "OP" compared to the rest.... etc. None of these can be assumed to be true.

Including purchased race-change will, almost certainly, have an effect on other conditions in the game. That is one why some of us are still standing against against it. Others are lore-related, or about encouraging ZOS to change racial passives to make money and so on. I doubt that I have covered them all, but this really isn't about someone setting out just to spoil your fun.

Shader_Shibes

Hoping, praying it comes next dlc. I have 3-4 toons i would switch race in a heart beat

Erdmanski

Instead of a complete race change, they really should just create an item that allows you to select a different racial passive skill set. Change the name of them from Racial passives to Specialty passives and just let people change the set if they decide to change their character's specialty (i.e. changing Magicka sorc to Stam sorc). 2000 crowns sounds about right.

The actual race of the character should not be editable, since it is purely cosmetic if you go with the above idea. Then add in the barber shop option to change hairstyles, tattoos, etc. and everything is good.

AngryNord

Erdmanski wrote: »

Instead of a complete race change, they really should just create an item that allows you to select a different racial passive skill set. Change the name of them from Racial passives to Specialty passives and just let people change the set if they decide to change their character's specialty (i.e. changing Magicka sorc to Stam sorc). 2000 crowns sounds about right.

This should only ever happen after the name Elder Scrolls is removed from the game's title, and all Elder Scrolls references removed from in the game (and I have a strong hope that IF such a *** of the lore happened, Todd Howard would give Matt Firor an immediate Cease and Desist order)

Erdmanski

AngryNord wrote: »

Erdmanski wrote: »

Instead of a complete race change, they really should just create an item that allows you to select a different racial passive skill set. Change the name of them from Racial passives to Specialty passives and just let people change the set if they decide to change their character's specialty (i.e. changing Magicka sorc to Stam sorc). 2000 crowns sounds about right.

This should only ever happen after the name Elder Scrolls is removed from the game's title, and all Elder Scrolls references removed from in the game (and I have a strong hope that IF such a *** of the lore happened, Todd Howard would give Matt Firor an immediate Cease and Desist order)

I understand your concern, but you need to realize this isn't just another single player Elder Scrolls game, it is a MMO. If they want to sustain it, they need to make changes that may upset people from time to time. They already confirmed they are going to do something regarding race, so what is your suggestion?

AngryNord

Erdmanski wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

Erdmanski wrote: »

Instead of a complete race change, they really should just create an item that allows you to select a different racial passive skill set. Change the name of them from Racial passives to Specialty passives and just let people change the set if they decide to change their character's specialty (i.e. changing Magicka sorc to Stam sorc). 2000 crowns sounds about right.

This should only ever happen after the name Elder Scrolls is removed from the game's title, and all Elder Scrolls references removed from in the game (and I have a strong hope that IF such a *** of the lore happened, Todd Howard would give Matt Firor an immediate Cease and Desist order)

I understand your concern, but you need to realize this isn't just another single player Elder Scrolls game, it is a MMO. If they want to sustain it, they need to make changes that may upset people from time to time. They already confirmed they are going to do something regarding race, so what is your suggestion?

Keep it roughly as-is, although adjust the percentages. Basically, they should give a slight advantage, but still make builds using "inferior" races/classes competeable.

Junkogen

What's stupid is that they've change some races' passives to be really great for this new game environment after soft cap removal, but they've left others, especially Argonians, stuck in the old system. Anyone who picked an Argonian early on feels this frustration. There used to be a synergy with Nightblade that no longer exists. They up and changed the whole race and what they're good for.

Not only should they have race change, but they should offer a complimentary one because of all the changes they've made. It's pretty crappy of them not to.

Espionage-

Well I first created my first character before reading about the different races/classes etcetc so I made a Nord Nightblade
After getting that too VR12 I couldn't find a setup/style that suited me, as much as I'd like a race change ASAP I decided too make a Breton Healer and I'm glad I did. Just collecting everything and clearing everything, completing quests. It all adds up and I'm almost VR3.

TheShadowScout

AngryNord wrote: »

Erdmanski wrote: »

I understand your concern, but you need to realize this isn't just another single player Elder Scrolls game, it is a MMO. If they want to sustain it, they need to make changes that may upset people from time to time. They already confirmed they are going to do something regarding race, so what is your suggestion?

Keep it roughly as-is, although adjust the passives. Basically, they should give a slight advantage, but still make builds using "inferior" races/classes competeable.

That is a very good suggestion!
Any changes made to racials, I'd love to see them in this direction!

As for Race change, it almost certainly still will come in wake of the character recustomization options. And while I wouldn't see any need to use it as of now, I also have o objections - as long as they price it accordingly. Then those who really, truly feel some need to change their race can do so by paying a good chunk of crowns, and the rest can enjoy more ESO those extra profits will finance all the sooner...