Anyone get the vibe ZOS wants magicka DPS gone

Ishammael

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Wasn't everyone just before Imp City release saying that stamina was dead and that now it is all about magic? Weren't stam NB's supposed to be dead and the magic based NB the new it thing?

Only the deluded. There were a few vocal players saying it.

The CP system hasn't changed -- stamina still out-scales magicka across the board. Plus, with the 50% Battle Spirit damage debuff, it is even more important that you exploit your single, hardest-hitting skill.

I like the deluded. They made people roll Templars for 1.6.

Templars have been solid across all patches.

In case you weren't around, people said to roll Templars for 1.6 because they were supposedly OP, much like how people said Magicka Nightblades would be OP in 1.7. In both cases they were wrong.

manny254 wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Wasn't everyone just before Imp City release saying that stamina was dead and that now it is all about magic? Weren't stam NB's supposed to be dead and the magic based NB the new it thing?

Only the deluded. There were a few vocal players saying it.

The CP system hasn't changed -- stamina still out-scales magicka across the board. Plus, with the 50% Battle Spirit damage debuff, it is even more important that you exploit your single, hardest-hitting skill.

I like the deluded. They made people roll Templars for 1.6.

Templars have been solid across all patches.

In case you weren't around, people said to roll Templars for 1.6 because they were supposedly OP, much like how people said Magicka Nightblades would be OP in 1.7. In both cases they were wrong.

Remember when people said magicka sorc would be weak in 1.6.

I remember all of this very well. I was not one of those people.

Derra

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Wasn't everyone just before Imp City release saying that stamina was dead and that now it is all about magic? Weren't stam NB's supposed to be dead and the magic based NB the new it thing?

Only the deluded. There were a few vocal players saying it.

The CP system hasn't changed -- stamina still out-scales magicka across the board. Plus, with the 50% Battle Spirit damage debuff, it is even more important that you exploit your single, hardest-hitting skill.

I like the deluded. They made people roll Templars for 1.6.

Templars have been solid across all patches.

In case you weren't around, people said to roll Templars for 1.6 because they were supposedly OP, much like how people said Magicka Nightblades would be OP in 1.7. In both cases they were wrong.

Well tbh if it´s not zerg diving i find my magblade pretty op. It´s on the same level as my sorc though both chars shine in different aspects. For open world i´d choose the sorc. For Keeps or smallgrp - NB any day of the week.

Cillion3117

It's just part of the ebb and flow of this game. It'll change again.

Lava_Croft

Derra wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Wasn't everyone just before Imp City release saying that stamina was dead and that now it is all about magic? Weren't stam NB's supposed to be dead and the magic based NB the new it thing?

Only the deluded. There were a few vocal players saying it.

The CP system hasn't changed -- stamina still out-scales magicka across the board. Plus, with the 50% Battle Spirit damage debuff, it is even more important that you exploit your single, hardest-hitting skill.

I like the deluded. They made people roll Templars for 1.6.

Templars have been solid across all patches.

In case you weren't around, people said to roll Templars for 1.6 because they were supposedly OP, much like how people said Magicka Nightblades would be OP in 1.7. In both cases they were wrong.

Well tbh if it´s not zerg diving i find my magblade pretty op. It´s on the same level as my sorc though both chars shine in different aspects. For open world i´d choose the sorc. For Keeps or smallgrp - NB any day of the week.

Did you just say Sorc is pretty OP?

Derra

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Wasn't everyone just before Imp City release saying that stamina was dead and that now it is all about magic? Weren't stam NB's supposed to be dead and the magic based NB the new it thing?

Only the deluded. There were a few vocal players saying it.

The CP system hasn't changed -- stamina still out-scales magicka across the board. Plus, with the 50% Battle Spirit damage debuff, it is even more important that you exploit your single, hardest-hitting skill.

I like the deluded. They made people roll Templars for 1.6.

Templars have been solid across all patches.

In case you weren't around, people said to roll Templars for 1.6 because they were supposedly OP, much like how people said Magicka Nightblades would be OP in 1.7. In both cases they were wrong.

Well tbh if it´s not zerg diving i find my magblade pretty op. It´s on the same level as my sorc though both chars shine in different aspects. For open world i´d choose the sorc. For Keeps or smallgrp - NB any day of the week.

Did you just say Sorc is pretty OP?

There is no denying sorc is in a good spot for open world pvp. I don´t particularly like the class for grpplay or anything around structures.
Still hugely dependand on idiotic enemies trying to chase you down, running in mines and stuff.

wrathofrraath

Wizards are rare beings who walk tamriel with a innate understanding of the forces of magic. They are called mad by most common folk who take up the sword, yet can destroy their foes with arcane wisdom and shield themselves from mere mortal weapons.

Takllin

k2blader wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Meh, PvE land it's a very different story. I'd love to see what would happen if they gave us a way to mitigate physical damage with CP and then see where things are.

The bolded part is where I am kind of sitting atm. The imbalance of the CP system is the primary problem. I also wish certain stamina skills weren't so noticeably more effective in PvP than magicka skills.

Which is my problem with the whole Magicka vs Stamina debate. Some people can't see the forest through the trees.

bowmanz607

Araxleon wrote: »

The new sets, stamina overall hitting alot harder *numbers wise* ? and they heal alot better than -most- magicka builds

I know magicka DPS can still be done, it just seems stamina can dominate in everything.

thoughts?

(personally I'm perfectly fine with this route, but I would like magicka to actually have stronger healing than stamina >.<)

I think it only seems like a bias toward stamina. I think it was an overreaction to how much better magika used to be then stamina.

FMonk

Takllin wrote: »

Meh, PvE land it's a very different story. I'd love to see what would happen if they gave us a way to mitigate physical damage with CP and then see where things are.

Other than DKs PvE land isn't really much different. Magicka DKs are the highest PvE DPS in the game, but every other class is far better as stamina. PvE DPS hierarchy is basically:

Magicka DK > Stamina everything >>> Magicka non-DKs

Takllin

FMonk wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Meh, PvE land it's a very different story. I'd love to see what would happen if they gave us a way to mitigate physical damage with CP and then see where things are.

Other than DKs PvE land isn't really much different. Magicka DKs are the highest PvE DPS in the game, but every other class is far better as stamina. PvE DPS hierarchy is basically:

Magicka DK > Stamina everything >>> Magicka non-DKs

Since when are Magicka Sorc and Templar behind Stamina? Nightblade is the only one that's close between both specs.

Kupoking

With magika sorcs being on top of the food chain, for now, I dont think so.

Stamina build needed more options than 1 or 2 builds with hundlings or ravager being mandatory.

with maxed out CP, then I agree, with most of the resist in red tree being vs spells and nothing vs physical stams will rule.the world.

FMonk

Takllin wrote: »

FMonk wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Meh, PvE land it's a very different story. I'd love to see what would happen if they gave us a way to mitigate physical damage with CP and then see where things are.

Other than DKs PvE land isn't really much different. Magicka DKs are the highest PvE DPS in the game, but every other class is far better as stamina. PvE DPS hierarchy is basically:

Magicka DK > Stamina everything >>> Magicka non-DKs

Since when are Magicka Sorc and Templar behind Stamina? Nightblade is the only one that's close between both specs.

Stam Templars are wayyyyyy ahead of magicka Templar DPS, it's not even close. They're on par with stam Nightblades. And magicka Sorcs only pull high single target with overload and a significant amount of ult saved up. Without overload magicka sorcs are the lowest DPS in the game.

Not to mention that with how much better Steel Tornado is than every other AOE in the game, non-DK AOE magicka DPS is way inferior to stam.

Takllin

FMonk wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

FMonk wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Meh, PvE land it's a very different story. I'd love to see what would happen if they gave us a way to mitigate physical damage with CP and then see where things are.

Other than DKs PvE land isn't really much different. Magicka DKs are the highest PvE DPS in the game, but every other class is far better as stamina. PvE DPS hierarchy is basically:

Magicka DK > Stamina everything >>> Magicka non-DKs

Since when are Magicka Sorc and Templar behind Stamina? Nightblade is the only one that's close between both specs.

Stam Templars are wayyyyyy ahead of magicka Templar DPS, it's not even close. They're on par with stam Nightblades. And magicka Sorcs only pull high single target with overload and a significant amount of ult saved up. Without overload magicka sorcs are the lowest DPS in the game.

Not to mention that with how much better Steel Tornado is than every other AOE in the game, non-DK AOE magicka DPS is way inferior to stam.

The DPS metrics over at TF say otherwise.

DisgracefulMind

I'm actually fine with stamina hitting harder, as their whole survival pool is based off of ONE resource. As magicka builds we have access to do what we please with our stamina pool, and use our magicka pool as damage/healing. I really see no issue with it, personally.

hammayolettuce

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

I'm actually fine with stamina hitting harder, as their whole survival pool is based off of ONE resource. As magicka builds we have access to do what we please with our stamina pool, and use our magicka pool as damage/healing. I really see no issue with it, personally.

I agree, the issue only comes into play when stamina can mitigate too much magicka dmg through cp and gear and then can also heal better than most magicka builds can.

Stam cries about sorc shields op, but has just as much dmg and significantly more healing.

Korah_Eaglecry

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Wasn't everyone just before Imp City release saying that stamina was dead and that now it is all about magic? Weren't stam NB's supposed to be dead and the magic based NB the new it thing?

Its the unfortunate cycle of the forums. ZOS will be accused of hating on what is unpopular today while favoring what is popular. In reality what is popular today will be unpopular tomorrow.

hammayolettuce

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Wasn't everyone just before Imp City release saying that stamina was dead and that now it is all about magic? Weren't stam NB's supposed to be dead and the magic based NB the new it thing?

Its the unfortunate cycle of the forums. ZOS will be accused of hating on what is unpopular today while favoring what is popular. In reality what is popular today will be unpopular tomorrow.

The entire stam argument of them being dead wit IC launch was players not understanding the block and roll dodge fixes. They overreacted and realized dmg is actually better and you can still roll enough and block enough.

Mumyo

FMonk wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Meh, PvE land it's a very different story. I'd love to see what would happen if they gave us a way to mitigate physical damage with CP and then see where things are.

Other than DKs PvE land isn't really much different. Magicka DKs are the highest PvE DPS in the game, but every other class is far better as stamina. PvE DPS hierarchy is basically:

Magicka DK > Stamina everything >>> Magicka non-DKs

Wrong, DK Stamina DPS is insane!

Waylander

hammayolettuce wrote: »

The entire stam argument of them being dead wit IC launch was players not understanding the block and roll dodge fixes. They overreacted and realized dmg is actually better and you can still roll enough and block enough.

On launch of IC the medium armour weapon power passive was bugged. Showed 12% on tooltip, did nothing in game. That and the fix of sharpening left stamina builds feeling a bit wet noodle.