Strongest Daedric Prince

Zinaroth

BugCollector wrote: »

I left out Jyggalag, because it's not certain what has become of him after the events of the Shivering Isles Oblivion DLC.

Jyggalag was at one time one of the most powerful of the Daedric Princes; he was so powerful that the other Princes began to fear him and his power. As a result, they cursed him to live in opposition of everything he stood for, to live the life of a madman and bring chaos and insanity rather than order and logic. Henceforth, Jyggalag became known as the Daedric Prince of Madness, Sheogorath.

elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Jyggalag

Shunravi

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Screw the Daedric Princes.










Hail Sithis.

Hey! No fair invoking a fundamental force of the universe!

Levo18

Mehrunes Dagon

Akatosh > Jyggalag
Akatosh > all daedric princes together

Uriel_Nocturne

Shunravi wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Screw the Daedric Princes.










Hail Sithis.

Hey! No fair invoking a fundamental force of the universe!

Fair? Sithis demands blood, and blood must be paid.

lol

wayfarerx

Boethiah

I can't believe there's not more votes for Boethiah. She ate the freaking Elf God and casually created a new race by voiding him! Jyggalag was tough but got beat down and cursed to be Sheogorath. Boethiah literally eats other Gods for breakfast.

dodgehopper_ESO

Keepercraft wrote: »

Sheogorath//Jyggalag is the most powerfully daedra prince in lore.

I still don't understand Jyggalag. His sphere is 'Order'. What does that have to do with Chaos, and how is he a Daedra if he's defined by Order. In other words, Jyggalag sounds more in line with Anu than Padomay, whereas Sheogorath is more Padomay than Anu. I understand why he's not et'Ada but Jyggalag always struck me as an 'other' candidate, like the Magne Ge. Sheogorath though fits the Daedra style, in the same vein that Malacath is a daedra: Daedra by conversion. There's only 3 daedra that fall in this arena as far as I'm aware: Meridian, Sheogorath, and Malacath. Then again perhaps the other daedra were converted at one point as well.

On another topic, I've always wondered what the relationship might be between Magnus and Herma Mora, and if it were possible that they are either two opposing factions (one Anu (order) aligned and one Padomay (chaos) aligned) or if they are in fact two sides of the same coin (Think Two-Face from Batman).

Shunravi

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Keepercraft wrote: »

Sheogorath//Jyggalag is the most powerfully daedra prince in lore.

I still don't understand Jyggalag. His sphere is 'Order'. What does that have to do with Chaos, and how is he a Daedra if he's defined by Order. In other words, Jyggalag sounds more in line with Anu than Padomay, whereas Sheogorath is more Padomay than Anu. I understand why he's not et'Ada but Jyggalag always struck me as an 'other' candidate, like the Magne Ge. Sheogorath though fits the Daedra style, in the same vein that Malacath is a daedra: Daedra by conversion. There's only 3 daedra that fall in this arena as far as I'm aware: Meridian, Sheogorath, and Malacath. Then again perhaps the other daedra were converted at one point as well.

On another topic, I've always wondered what the relationship might be between Magnus and Herma Mora, and if it were possible that they are either two opposing factions (one Anu (order) aligned and one Padomay (chaos) aligned) or if they are in fact two sides of the same coin (Think Two-Face from Batman).

A few things.

Jyggalag is 'perfect order' and logic. His corruption into Sheogorath turned him into his antithisis; chaos and insanity.

That is 'perfect order' to the destruction of all else, which is why the others feared him.

Daedra simply means 'not our ancestors' as in those that did not give of themselves to create the mundus. While it can be said that the Aedra are Anuic, i would consider saying all Daedra are Padomaic is a misconception. Not every Anuic being joined the mundus. The Magna Ge fled the creation of mundus.

dodgehopper_ESO

BuggeX wrote: »

BugCollector wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

BugCollector wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Molag Bal is beaten by a weak amulet, why should he be the strongest daedra?
Same goes for Dagon, well he was beaten by Akatosh reincarnation in Oblivion.
Mora would be the inteligent under them, but does not rly have any power outsite of his world.

Sheo is right now Jygallag, and without a gray march he doesnt have is power either.
But still, sheo has wabbajack

Weak amulet? That amulet contains the power of Akatosh, the strongest of the Divines. Its power would probably beat any Prince.

I know that the amulet of kings contains the power of akatosh, but still both times we saw the amulet in Action a typical mortal used it and beaten the crap out of molag bal and dagon.

Because the vestige was infused with the power of Akatosh and Martin Septim literally transformed into Akatosh' avatar.

this will explain the fight with dagon, and wath about molag bal? was beaten by a simply human without a Soul because he use a ammulet? even if a other mortal has to be secrificed to work. but this should be enought power to beat up a daedric prince?

Its the same situation really BuggeX. I think the only difference between Martin and the Vestige, is that the Vestige is part daedra and part aedra. Becoming a Vestige has converted the character into what eventually sums up as a really flimsy daedra. Reinfusing with the akatosh's blessing (The skyshards) makes you into something altogether different and substantially more powerful. Our characters are then blessed/empowered by one of the most powerful relics in Tamriel (The Amulet of Kings) and that's how you take on Molag Bal. Its the same reason that tapping the heart of Lorkhan gave Dagoth Ur / The Tribunal divine-like qualities. I'd say the 4 most important 'divine' relics in all of Tamriel are the Amulet of Kings, The Heart of Lorkhan, The Eye of Magnus, and the Towers.

What interests me about the Vestige thing, is how they will explain what becomes of the Vestiges in future series, if they ever do. What happened to these hero(es)?

dodgehopper_ESO

Shunravi wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Keepercraft wrote: »

Sheogorath//Jyggalag is the most powerfully daedra prince in lore.

I still don't understand Jyggalag. His sphere is 'Order'. What does that have to do with Chaos, and how is he a Daedra if he's defined by Order. In other words, Jyggalag sounds more in line with Anu than Padomay, whereas Sheogorath is more Padomay than Anu. I understand why he's not et'Ada but Jyggalag always struck me as an 'other' candidate, like the Magne Ge. Sheogorath though fits the Daedra style, in the same vein that Malacath is a daedra: Daedra by conversion. There's only 3 daedra that fall in this arena as far as I'm aware: Meridian, Sheogorath, and Malacath. Then again perhaps the other daedra were converted at one point as well.

On another topic, I've always wondered what the relationship might be between Magnus and Herma Mora, and if it were possible that they are either two opposing factions (one Anu (order) aligned and one Padomay (chaos) aligned) or if they are in fact two sides of the same coin (Think Two-Face from Batman).

A few things.

Jyggalag is 'perfect order' and logic. His corruption into Sheogorath turned him into his antithisis; chaos and insanity.

That is 'perfect order' to the destruction of all else, which is why the others feared him.

Daedra simply means 'not our ancestors' as in those that did not give of themselves to create the mundus. While it can be said that the Aedra are Anuic, i would consider saying all Daedra are Padomaic is a misconception. Not every Anuic being joined the mundus. The Magna Ge fled the creation of mundus.

Yet the Magne Ge have a different distinction from the Daedra. Meridia was also at one point apparently Magne Ge. This is what muddies the waters in my view. The odd thing is that she still represents Anuic principles, defending the natural order of life and death. I think this is where the definition of Daedra is not helpful. Is Meridia Daedra simply because she lives in Oblivion as opposed to (assumably) Aetherius where the Magne Ge fled to? It seems to be an odd distinction.

Shunravi

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

BugCollector wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

BugCollector wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Molag Bal is beaten by a weak amulet, why should he be the strongest daedra?
Same goes for Dagon, well he was beaten by Akatosh reincarnation in Oblivion.
Mora would be the inteligent under them, but does not rly have any power outsite of his world.

Sheo is right now Jygallag, and without a gray march he doesnt have is power either.
But still, sheo has wabbajack

Weak amulet? That amulet contains the power of Akatosh, the strongest of the Divines. Its power would probably beat any Prince.

I know that the amulet of kings contains the power of akatosh, but still both times we saw the amulet in Action a typical mortal used it and beaten the crap out of molag bal and dagon.

Because the vestige was infused with the power of Akatosh and Martin Septim literally transformed into Akatosh' avatar.

this will explain the fight with dagon, and wath about molag bal? was beaten by a simply human without a Soul because he use a ammulet? even if a other mortal has to be secrificed to work. but this should be enought power to beat up a daedric prince?

Its the same situation really BuggeX. I think the only difference between Martin and the Vestige, is that the Vestige is part daedra and part aedra. Becoming a Vestige has converted the character into what eventually sums up as a really flimsy daedra. Reinfusing with the akatosh's blessing (The skyshards) makes you into something altogether different and substantially more powerful. Our characters are then blessed/empowered by one of the most powerful relics in Tamriel (The Amulet of Kings) and that's how you take on Molag Bal. Its the same reason that tapping the heart of Lorkhan gave Dagoth Ur / The Tribunal divine-like qualities. I'd say the 4 most important 'divine' relics in all of Tamriel are the Amulet of Kings, The Heart of Lorkhan, The Eye of Magnus, and the Towers.

What interests me about the Vestige thing, is how they will explain what becomes of the Vestiges in future series, if they ever do. What happened to these hero(es)?

In my own interpretation if things, the vestige became so by becoming 'unmoored from the mundus' (see the lore book on how wayshrines work) i immagine that eventually the vestige simply evaporates out of mundus similar to how daedra cannot stay permanently.

Julianos

Mehrunes Dagon

dagon rules

dodgehopper_ESO

Shunravi wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

BugCollector wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

BugCollector wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Molag Bal is beaten by a weak amulet, why should he be the strongest daedra?
Same goes for Dagon, well he was beaten by Akatosh reincarnation in Oblivion.
Mora would be the inteligent under them, but does not rly have any power outsite of his world.

Sheo is right now Jygallag, and without a gray march he doesnt have is power either.
But still, sheo has wabbajack

Weak amulet? That amulet contains the power of Akatosh, the strongest of the Divines. Its power would probably beat any Prince.

I know that the amulet of kings contains the power of akatosh, but still both times we saw the amulet in Action a typical mortal used it and beaten the crap out of molag bal and dagon.

Because the vestige was infused with the power of Akatosh and Martin Septim literally transformed into Akatosh' avatar.

this will explain the fight with dagon, and wath about molag bal? was beaten by a simply human without a Soul because he use a ammulet? even if a other mortal has to be secrificed to work. but this should be enought power to beat up a daedric prince?

Its the same situation really BuggeX. I think the only difference between Martin and the Vestige, is that the Vestige is part daedra and part aedra. Becoming a Vestige has converted the character into what eventually sums up as a really flimsy daedra. Reinfusing with the akatosh's blessing (The skyshards) makes you into something altogether different and substantially more powerful. Our characters are then blessed/empowered by one of the most powerful relics in Tamriel (The Amulet of Kings) and that's how you take on Molag Bal. Its the same reason that tapping the heart of Lorkhan gave Dagoth Ur / The Tribunal divine-like qualities. I'd say the 4 most important 'divine' relics in all of Tamriel are the Amulet of Kings, The Heart of Lorkhan, The Eye of Magnus, and the Towers.

What interests me about the Vestige thing, is how they will explain what becomes of the Vestiges in future series, if they ever do. What happened to these hero(es)?

In my own interpretation if things, the vestige became so by becoming 'unmoored from the mundus' (see the lore book on how wayshrines work) i immagine that eventually the vestige simply evaporates out of mundus similar to how daedra cannot stay permanently.

I agree, but also the infusions from the skyshards moor him back. It does explain why the Vestige can go to the far shores, and then come back though. I have no other way of looking at it beyond the Vestige is a demigod like the dragonborn or the nerevarine, and just doesn't follow normal rules. I suspect he goes where (s)he ultimately likes to go, whether its oblivion or aetherius, but that's just me.

Shunravi

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Keepercraft wrote: »

Sheogorath//Jyggalag is the most powerfully daedra prince in lore.

I still don't understand Jyggalag. His sphere is 'Order'. What does that have to do with Chaos, and how is he a Daedra if he's defined by Order. In other words, Jyggalag sounds more in line with Anu than Padomay, whereas Sheogorath is more Padomay than Anu. I understand why he's not et'Ada but Jyggalag always struck me as an 'other' candidate, like the Magne Ge. Sheogorath though fits the Daedra style, in the same vein that Malacath is a daedra: Daedra by conversion. There's only 3 daedra that fall in this arena as far as I'm aware: Meridian, Sheogorath, and Malacath. Then again perhaps the other daedra were converted at one point as well.

On another topic, I've always wondered what the relationship might be between Magnus and Herma Mora, and if it were possible that they are either two opposing factions (one Anu (order) aligned and one Padomay (chaos) aligned) or if they are in fact two sides of the same coin (Think Two-Face from Batman).

A few things.

Jyggalag is 'perfect order' and logic. His corruption into Sheogorath turned him into his antithisis; chaos and insanity.

That is 'perfect order' to the destruction of all else, which is why the others feared him.

Daedra simply means 'not our ancestors' as in those that did not give of themselves to create the mundus. While it can be said that the Aedra are Anuic, i would consider saying all Daedra are Padomaic is a misconception. Not every Anuic being joined the mundus. The Magna Ge fled the creation of mundus.

Yet the Magne Ge have a different distinction from the Daedra. Meridia was also at one point apparently Magne Ge. This is what muddies the waters in my view. The odd thing is that she still represents Anuic principles, defending the natural order of life and death. I think this is where the definition of Daedra is not helpful. Is Meridia Daedra simply because she lives in Oblivion as opposed to (assumably) Aetherius where the Magne Ge fled to? It seems to be an odd distinction.

Yea, the definition is rather muddy, and its why part of why i consider them the way i do in my post above. Location could be it.... I saw explanations but i forget at the moment. Also, the Magna Ge are tecnically Aedra as some of their substance is part of the mundus. To be daedra the would have had to never hve gone to Magnus call to begin with. Which again muddied the waters.

Heroborg

If you fought him without the divines you would be destroyed instantly. He also is the ruler of colharbour and has great power to merge the planes.

Shunravi

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

BugCollector wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

BugCollector wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Molag Bal is beaten by a weak amulet, why should he be the strongest daedra?
Same goes for Dagon, well he was beaten by Akatosh reincarnation in Oblivion.
Mora would be the inteligent under them, but does not rly have any power outsite of his world.

Sheo is right now Jygallag, and without a gray march he doesnt have is power either.
But still, sheo has wabbajack

Weak amulet? That amulet contains the power of Akatosh, the strongest of the Divines. Its power would probably beat any Prince.

I know that the amulet of kings contains the power of akatosh, but still both times we saw the amulet in Action a typical mortal used it and beaten the crap out of molag bal and dagon.

Because the vestige was infused with the power of Akatosh and Martin Septim literally transformed into Akatosh' avatar.

this will explain the fight with dagon, and wath about molag bal? was beaten by a simply human without a Soul because he use a ammulet? even if a other mortal has to be secrificed to work. but this should be enought power to beat up a daedric prince?

Its the same situation really BuggeX. I think the only difference between Martin and the Vestige, is that the Vestige is part daedra and part aedra. Becoming a Vestige has converted the character into what eventually sums up as a really flimsy daedra. Reinfusing with the akatosh's blessing (The skyshards) makes you into something altogether different and substantially more powerful. Our characters are then blessed/empowered by one of the most powerful relics in Tamriel (The Amulet of Kings) and that's how you take on Molag Bal. Its the same reason that tapping the heart of Lorkhan gave Dagoth Ur / The Tribunal divine-like qualities. I'd say the 4 most important 'divine' relics in all of Tamriel are the Amulet of Kings, The Heart of Lorkhan, The Eye of Magnus, and the Towers.

What interests me about the Vestige thing, is how they will explain what becomes of the Vestiges in future series, if they ever do. What happened to these hero(es)?

In my own interpretation if things, the vestige became so by becoming 'unmoored from the mundus' (see the lore book on how wayshrines work) i immagine that eventually the vestige simply evaporates out of mundus similar to how daedra cannot stay permanently.

I agree, but also the infusions from the skyshards moor him back. It does explain why the Vestige can go to the far shores, and then come back though. I have no other way of looking at it beyond the Vestige is a demigod like the dragonborn or the nerevarine, and just doesn't follow normal rules. I suspect he goes where (s)he ultimately likes to go, whether its oblivion or aetherius, but that's just me.

That is precisely why the skyshards exist and why it is what we get as a boon from Akatosh. I won't go into the dragonbreak fan theory I have in my signature, but I will definately agree that the vestige is in that 'different' catagory. Though, I don't think it's something of necessarily the same level, I don't think the vestige has achieved chim or become the avatar of Lorkhan or any of those other more powerful things, simply unmoored and kept in place through Aedric power.

Which is why soulgems affect us the way they do as well.

Shunravi

Actually, relighting the dragonfires may actually be what pushes the vestige out of mundus...

dodgehopper_ESO

Shunravi wrote: »

Actually, relighting the dragonfires may actually be what pushes the vestige out of mundus...

How so? Remember, the Vestige retains his vestigey goodness even after he gets his soul back. This is why I think he is a dragonborn, or something like it, by merit of the skyshards (Gift of akatosh) and use of the amulet of kings. Or does this just mean he finally gets the chance to cross over to the far shores/sovngarde again? I think it more likely that perhaps Tiber Septim is the result of this situation, either as children of one of these vestiges or being one himself?

Asherons_Call

Sheogorath

Uncle Sheo because cray cray and cheese

Rajajshka

Hermaeus Mora

Hermaeus mora imo, there's something kind of terrifying about a giant squid that knows everything about you.

Surragard

Sheogorath

Good old Uncle Sheo

Shunravi

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Actually, relighting the dragonfires may actually be what pushes the vestige out of mundus...

How so? Remember, the Vestige retains his vestigey goodness even after he gets his soul back. This is why I think he is a dragonborn, or something like it, by merit of the skyshards (Gift of akatosh) and use of the amulet of kings. Or does this just mean he finally gets the chance to cross over to the far shores/sovngarde again? I think it more likely that perhaps Tiber Septim is the result of this situation, either as children of one of these vestiges or being one himself?

Possibly. Its only a guess, but im not sure if regaining a soul that in itself was taken outside the mundus would tether it back in. Remember, the alessian pact essentialy pushed out antyhing that was not of the mundus and reinforced the barrier against incursion. If you get where im going, would you think that a possibility?

And again, that barrier is weak. We reclaimed our souls but did not relight the fires. I assume Tiber Septim does right? So, what if as you say, Tiber was made dragonborn by akatosh to end the crysis once and for all, a soul shriven who absorbed enought aedric energy to become dragonsouled, or born from that energy made mortal?

dodgehopper_ESO

Shunravi wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Actually, relighting the dragonfires may actually be what pushes the vestige out of mundus...

How so? Remember, the Vestige retains his vestigey goodness even after he gets his soul back. This is why I think he is a dragonborn, or something like it, by merit of the skyshards (Gift of akatosh) and use of the amulet of kings. Or does this just mean he finally gets the chance to cross over to the far shores/sovngarde again? I think it more likely that perhaps Tiber Septim is the result of this situation, either as children of one of these vestiges or being one himself?

Possibly. Its only a guess, but im not sure if regaining a soul that in itself was taken outside the mundus would tether it back in. Remember, the alessian pact essentialy pushed out antyhing that was not of the mundus and reinforced the barrier against incursion. If you get where im going, would you think that a possibility?

And again, that barrier is weak. We reclaimed our souls but did not relight the fires. I assume Tiber Septim does right? So, what if as you say, Tiber was made dragonborn by akatosh to end the crysis once and for all, a soul shriven who absorbed enought aedric energy to become dragonsouled, or born from that energy made mortal?

I can see both sides of it. I have a feeling that Tharn does what he does just so you (the Vestige) can't relight the fires. I suspect Tharn has evil plans of his own, and is a bit more deceptive than Mannimarco. Tharn just seems like he knows how to hold his arrogance in check long enough to get what he wants. That and I doubt he wants to be King of Worms, but I suspect he has some other goal in mind. Bear in mind, that I also recommend that Tharn's evil plans are probably fueled by a desire to do something good for Tamriel or at least people, whereas Mannimarco is more the 'muhaha evil for the sake of evil' type guy.

On the topic of which Daedra will win the final showdown of the Universe, its really hard to say. Azura sees the future. Mephala is made up of the substance of the unknowable and unknown. Herma Mora is avarice and massive knowledge. Mehrunes just likes seeing the world burn. Molag wants everything dead and stinky and slaving away for him. Sheogorath is madness and creativity - he's the daedric equivalent of the Joker. Meridia is the deliverer of light and protector of life (both of which I think Daedra hate). I just don't see it as a clear cut question, because the daedra also make deals with one another out of their own self interests, and also betray one another. In that respect it would be the one who could probably get the most daedra to do his bidding (without them knowing it).

Tonnopesce

Why Peryite is not on the list?????????

He is a dragon he MUST be the stonghest!
And imho the shielbreaker is the best artifact in the tes saga

Keepercraft

Sheogorath

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Why Peryite is not on the list?????????

He is a dragon he MUST be the stonghest!
And imho the shielbreaker is the best artifact in the tes saga

Lore: "Peryite is considered one of the weakest of the Princes."

dodgehopper_ESO

Keepercraft wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Why Peryite is not on the list?????????

He is a dragon he MUST be the stonghest!
And imho the shielbreaker is the best artifact in the tes saga

Lore: "Peryite is considered one of the weakest of the Princes."

Maybe he's just really subtle.

americansteel

BugCollector wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Molag Bal is beaten by a weak amulet, why should he be the strongest daedra?
Same goes for Dagon, well he was beaten by Akatosh reincarnation in Oblivion.
Mora would be the inteligent under them, but does not rly have any power outsite of his world.

Sheo is right now Jygallag, and without a gray march he doesnt have is power either.
But still, sheo has wabbajack

Weak amulet? That amulet contains the power of Akatosh, the strongest of the Divines. Its power would probably beat any Prince.

the thing with jyggalag is that like all deadric princes and divines or aedra which are the same as the deadra they are all forces of nature they are all feelings and emotions of mortals all feelings shared upon mortals.
aedra represent order lover work commerce and prosperity deadra represent or patronize change chaos everything changes in the aurbis and everything in this franchise has purpose an action and reaction sometimes 2 reactions for every action.
even in chaos there is order this order or force of nature in the elder scrolls is jyggalag. mora has got to be the second most powerful of all the daedra first by far is jyggalag.
amulet of kings is nothing more than a powerful soul gem that was given to queen alessia by akatosh or lorkhan or pelinal whitestrake so goes the historical records. but lorkhan and akatosh are 2 sides of the same coin.
divines can only interact with mundus through blessings from offerings by mortals their creations, only akatosh can offer the most powerful force to a mortal but the mortals body muyst be offered to the gods, remember the divines cant manifest on nirn because they have no flesh divinity left only their spirits can, what we saw on oblivion was the spirit of akatosh defeating mehrunes dagon. the amulet was broken by a septim a direct descendant of general talos or tiber septim, this was foretold in the scrolls, talos was a shezarrine lorkhan spirit manifested in a body also cursed by the aedra, the spirit of akatosh was used in a mortals offered body/soul to defeat a daedric prince to save creation.
the only force of nature which that can stop time is time it self the opposite of time is short duration eating at its self this is lorkhan. time devourer.

Egonieser

Azura

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

Hircine being the epitome of what it is to be a hunter would devise a way to take down any prey.

Hircine is the strongest imo as a result.

This is assuming it'd be the actual Princes and not shades right? Hircine's weakest shade was defeated before and it took all the Nerevarines might.

Hircine got defeated by Sheo and very shamefully so.

Sheos little birdy kicked the crap out of Hircines biggest, baddest monstrosity a daedric prince could come up with... So, no..

americansteel

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Why Peryite is not on the list?????????

He is a dragon he MUST be the stonghest!
And imho the shielbreaker is the best artifact in the tes saga

peryite is depicted as several beings or forces with mortal views.
a dragon you see in skyrim or in the lore that fly in the skies of tamriel or nirn are totally different beings than perytie and his dragon depiction.
the dovah are creations of divines mostly they are creations of akatosh. but this has a contradiction in eso wikia and imperial library along with a book I remember reading in school back in 2000.
now a strong daedric dragon would be those titans.

americansteel

Shunravi wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Actually, relighting the dragonfires may actually be what pushes the vestige out of mundus...

How so? Remember, the Vestige retains his vestigey goodness even after he gets his soul back. This is why I think he is a dragonborn, or something like it, by merit of the skyshards (Gift of akatosh) and use of the amulet of kings. Or does this just mean he finally gets the chance to cross over to the far shores/sovngarde again? I think it more likely that perhaps Tiber Septim is the result of this situation, either as children of one of these vestiges or being one himself?

Possibly. Its only a guess, but im not sure if regaining a soul that in itself was taken outside the mundus would tether it back in. Remember, the alessian pact essentialy pushed out antyhing that was not of the mundus and reinforced the barrier against incursion. If you get where im going, would you think that a possibility?

And again, that barrier is weak. We reclaimed our souls but did not relight the fires. I assume Tiber Septim does right? So, what if as you say, Tiber was made dragonborn by akatosh to end the crysis once and for all, a soul shriven who absorbed enought aedric energy to become dragonsouled, or born from that energy made mortal?

general talos ends the 3 banners war talos becomes tiber septim talos is a shezzarrine that is shor manifested in a flesh body. only dragonborn/dragonblood rulers can sit upon the ruby throne and light the dragon fires, shezzarrines are men not mer, men who are destined in the foretelling of the elder scrolls for victory over evil forces which seeks to harm mortals or creatia/nir.

shezzarr shor shoer the doom drum are names of lorkhan the amulet of kings is the most powerful soul gem in the aurbis and is the heart of lorkhan or a peice of it which was given to queen alessia who becomes a saint and hero of men not mer!
by historical records it was stated that akatosh or lorkhan or pelinal whitestrake another shezzarrine who gave the amulet to alessia.
while im on the subject of gods and mortals I will continue this, lorkhan and akatosh are the 2 same things they are opposites of each other time/duration. the imperial pendant is a diamond heart of lorkhan is a diamond chim-el-adabal is a red diamond the imperial ruby is a red diamond red diamond red diamond is the heart of lorkhan that heart of the world and the time devourer.
auriel and shor are souls of souls of anu and padomay they are all reflections of each other. either way you look at it it was time/duration who or it gave the amulet to alessia to save creatia from daedric incursion.
once if it were to happen if white gold tower was split from nirn the hub of the wheel (aurbis) is over.
only a force of nature can end and restart a new time and that is the kalpa - alduin.
remember this lore has had many contradictions from lore creators.

americansteel

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Shunravi wrote: »

Actually, relighting the dragonfires may actually be what pushes the vestige out of mundus...

How so? Remember, the Vestige retains his vestigey goodness even after he gets his soul back. This is why I think he is a dragonborn, or something like it, by merit of the skyshards (Gift of akatosh) and use of the amulet of kings. Or does this just mean he finally gets the chance to cross over to the far shores/sovngarde again? I think it more likely that perhaps Tiber Septim is the result of this situation, either as children of one of these vestiges or being one himself?

Possibly. Its only a guess, but im not sure if regaining a soul that in itself was taken outside the mundus would tether it back in. Remember, the alessian pact essentialy pushed out antyhing that was not of the mundus and reinforced the barrier against incursion. If you get where im going, would you think that a possibility?

And again, that barrier is weak. We reclaimed our souls but did not relight the fires. I assume Tiber Septim does right? So, what if as you say, Tiber was made dragonborn by akatosh to end the crysis once and for all, a soul shriven who absorbed enought aedric energy to become dragonsouled, or born from that energy made mortal?

general talos ends the 3 banners war talos becomes tiber septim talos is a shezzarrine that is shor manifested in a flesh body. only dragonborn/dragonblood rulers can sit upon the ruby throne and light the dragon fires, shezzarrines are men not mer, men who are destined in the foretelling of the elder scrolls for victory over evil forces which seeks to harm mortals or creatia/nir.

shezzarr shor shoer the doom drum are names of lorkhan the amulet of kings is the most powerful soul gem in the aurbis and is the heart of lorkhan or a peice of it which was given to queen alessia who becomes a saint and hero of men not mer!
by historical records it was stated that akatosh or lorkhan or pelinal whitestrake another shezzarrine who gave the amulet to alessia.
while im on the subject of gods and mortals I will continue this, lorkhan and akatosh are the 2 same things they are opposites of each other time/duration. the imperial pendant is a diamond heart of lorkhan is a diamond chim-el-adabal is a red diamond the imperial ruby is a red diamond red diamond red diamond is the heart of lorkhan that heart of the world and the time devourer.
auriel and shor are souls of souls of anu and padomay they are all reflections of each other. either way you look at it it was time/duration who or it gave the amulet to alessia to save creatia from daedric incursion.
once if it were to happen if white gold tower was split from nirn the hub of the wheel (aurbis) is over.
only a force of nature can end and restart a new time (time is akatosh) and that is the kalpa - alduin.
remember this lore has had many contradictions from lore creators.