Dear god... Rubedite grind is Asinine!

tordr86b16_ESO

I can't help but /facepalm at your decisions developers. It requires over 100's of rubedite ignots to make one VR16 item, and by the looks of things you want rubedite ore to be super rare.



10 (TEN) rubedite ore to get 7(SEVEN) to 10 (TEN) Ignots if you're lucky with RNG. Since when did you think this was a good idea when you jacked up the material requirements in IC up to 100 to 150 for VR16 items? God knows. Oh yeah, thanks for making hirelings totally useless.

Scyantific

Wait what? They INCREASED the material requirements for v16?

tordr86b16_ESO

Scyantific wrote: »

Wait what? They INCREASED the material requirements for v16?

Nah they remain the same, requirements vary from 100 to 150 max. They are insane if they expect us to grind for rubedite when they are super rare and hirelings gives us virtually nothing.

tordr86b16_ESO

Yep, totally nerfed Hirelings into the ground. Checked my other toon and i got 1 unit of rubedite ore...

Birdovic

Umm the rate of 7-10 refined materials back after refining 10 raw materials is nothing new, is it?
Let's see what VR 17-18 equip will cost (hi hi)

Nah but serious, the cost can be higher than usual, but that is just too much..
A torso crafted going from 15 to 150 cost and the chance to get that much more needed material being limited to 1 per deconstructed item? Come on.

If it MUST end with a grind, don't do it in a way everybody starts flipping tables.
My suggestion:
- reduce materials needed for vr16 by 60%)
- Make hirelings useful
- Let deconstructing give back stuff at "Normal ratio" (like voidsteel etc.)

And especially for our crafters: Make the crafting writs useful. Nobody is doing s crafting writ with materials he could easily sell for 2x the reward he'd get from finishing the crafting writ. Either Drastically reduce cost of needed vr15/16 stuff or change it back to vr14 materials that are needed.

My suggestion for crafting writs: Stay at vr14 material needed but has a good chance to get some vr15/16

zornyan

Honestly in 3 days grinding in IC I've got enough materials to craft a full set of heavy armor and a set of medium, that's including 40k stones I made during the days to buy materials.

I think it's fine, a couple days of work to get max level gear? Hardly the grind of a lifetime.

OrphanHelgen

Arent theese used for next writs aswell?

Birdovic

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Arent theese used for next writs aswell?

Yes, Check my post above ^^

anitajoneb17_ESO

zornyan wrote: »

Honestly in 3 days grinding in IC I've got enough materials to craft a full set of heavy armor and a set of medium, that's including 40k stones I made during the days to buy materials.

I think it's fine, a couple days of work to get max level gear? Hardly the grind of a lifetime.

Define "days", "3 days". Could be anything from 3 hours to 60 hours. If closer to 60 hours, that can become a two-month exclusive grind for people with less playing time on their hands.

But that's not the issue here.

The issue is that VR15 equipment writs will not be worth doing considering the rarity of the materials required and their market value vs. the ridiculously small rewards of the writs. Actually it's not even "pointless" or "not worth doing", it's right out counter-productive. With the current design - as on PTS, doing VR15 crafting writs is shooting yourself in the foot (or being a complete idiot, choose your pick).

And the second issue is how useless the hirelings have become (always have been imho, but that's getting worse and worse).

PBpsy

The fact that VR16 mat grind was asinine was obvious since the IC pts days. I think that this actually improves things slightly since there is now a viable non IC solo PVE option to farm them. Soloing normal Dungeons at VR16 wasn't that efficient.

The only thing that is worse is the writ system. I will just get my main crafter to 10 and do rank 9 writs on my alts .

anitajoneb17_ESO

PBpsy wrote: »

I think that this actually improves things slightly since there is now a viable non IC solo PVE option to farm them.

Bad news : farming VR15-16 mats in Wrothgar is not viable at all. Too scarce. Far too scarce.

Pangnirtung

This grind for mats will be the death of ESO if it doesn't get better.

Mat nodes in Wrothgar are totally sporked. Is this the ZOS way of keeping customers? If so they have completely misread their customer base.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Remember it's only PTS.

Things on live might look different and I think ZOS got the message regarding mats' availability and writs being absurd. I've good hope they'll tweak it all.

PBpsy

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

I think that this actually improves things slightly since there is now a viable non IC solo PVE option to farm them.

Bad news : farming VR15-16 mats in Wrothgar is not viable at all. Too scarce. Far too scarce.

I don't mean the node farm.The mob dropping VR15 crap is better. You also get 2- Vr15 drops from normal MSA level which can add up if you run it a lot. Fast? No, but now possible in PVE solo.

That said I certainly think that the new V16 costs are stupid and insulting. This is a F2P level grind that stifles experimentation and alt gearing. It is even worse than the F2P grinds since those are usually clearly meant to be credit card bypassed. The ruby grind is here for no damn reason other than busy work for players.

Ashtaris

I agree. I have no plans to do the higher level writs unless ZOS completely changes the drop rate on the nodes, or makes the V16 crafting level reasonable. Otherwise I'll just use a Level 9 crafter for the Tempers/Tanins/Rosin writs and a Level 10 for crafting. As others have mentioned, it's counterproductive otherwise.

ahstin2001nub18_ESO

PBpsy wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

I think that this actually improves things slightly since there is now a viable non IC solo PVE option to farm them.

Bad news : farming VR15-16 mats in Wrothgar is not viable at all. Too scarce. Far too scarce.

I don't mean the node farm.The mob dropping VR15 crap is better. You also get 2- Vr15 drops from normal MSA level which can add up if you run it a lot. Fast? No, but now possible in PVE solo.

That said I certainly think that the new V16 costs are stupid and insulting. This is a F2P level grind that stifles experimentation and alt gearing. It is even worse than the F2P grinds since those are usually clearly meant to be credit card bypassed. The ruby grind is here for no damn reason other than busy work for players.

im thinking the mat grind, is meant to offset the lack of a CP grind...

Fat_Cat45

How about you do some research about all the drop rates before you start complaining after 1 mail?

10x Rubedo Leather scraps

10x Rubedite ore

10x Ruby Ash

In the end the tier 10 materials average out to 5 per mail, which the hireling mails for tier 9 and below already do.

nimander99

I will always check a post with the word asinine in it, cause we all know anything that's asinine is baaaaad, like when your dad gets home and you got bad grades baaaaaaad

tordr86b16_ESO

Fat_Cat45 wrote: »

How about you do some research about all the drop rates before you start complaining after 1 mail?

10x Rubedo Leather scraps

10x Rubedite ore

10x Ruby Ash

In the end the tier 10 materials average out to 5 per mail, which the hireling mails for tier 9 and below already do.

I got 3 characters and all I'm getting is 1's in Rubedite Ore, however. Rough Ruby Ash and Raw Ancestor Silk all came in 10's, either it's bugged or I must have the worst RNG ever.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Blacksmith hireling's bugged?

helediron

Fat_Cat45 wrote: »

How about you do some research about all the drop rates before you start complaining after 1 mail?

10x Rubedo Leather scraps

10x Rubedite ore

10x Ruby Ash

In the end the tier 10 materials average out to 5 per mail, which the hireling mails for tier 9 and below already do.

I am getting those 10x mats circa once per ten mail, calculated from 50 bs, cloth and ww mails on template characters.So 5 average is exxaggeration. Each mail has almost always one top tier item, often two. Calculating all these together, i'd say average amount per mail is close to three.

Jitterbug

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Remember it's only PTS.

Things on live might look different and I think ZOS got the message regarding mats' availability and writs being absurd. I've good hope they'll tweak it all.

yes. they always change the pts build to live dramatically based on player feedback

anitajoneb17_ESO

Jitterbug wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Remember it's only PTS.

Things on live might look different and I think ZOS got the message regarding mats' availability and writs being absurd. I've good hope they'll tweak it all.

yes. they always change the pts build to live dramatically based on player feedback

Being sarcastic I guess ? I see what you mean, I try to be optimistic that's all ;-)

NB : and there's been a significant change at ZOS, called @ZOS_RichLambert , I trust that too :-)

Jitterbug

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Remember it's only PTS.

Things on live might look different and I think ZOS got the message regarding mats' availability and writs being absurd. I've good hope they'll tweak it all.

yes. they always change the pts build to live dramatically based on player feedback

Being sarcastic I guess ? I see what you mean, I try to be optimistic that's all ;-)

yeah sorry, it was just too easy to catch that one :P

ericprydz82ub17_ESO

zornyan wrote: »

Honestly in 3 days grinding in IC I've got enough materials to craft a full set of heavy armor and a set of medium, that's including 40k stones I made during the days to buy materials.

I think it's fine, a couple days of work to get max level gear? Hardly the grind of a lifetime.

This man speaks the truth.