Truce among eachother!

Slaxis

I don't know about the other factions here but me personally I hate waking up to all the keeps being taken in the early A.M hours of the day. I say we have a gentleman agreement here and not push each factions lower 3 keeps while there are no defenders. Now I know people are going to respond with some *** but that's ok all I can personally say is myself and my guild will not do it anymore. I want pvp in cyrodill to be competitive again and not discourage people from playing on whichever camp they choose to do so. We all know the *** with exploits, lag and other crap going on. WE as the player base can police certain things to make this game enjoyable again.

Levo18

War. War never changes.

Takllin

Unfortunately the people this should really be aimed at won't ever read this. It's a great idea but it won't ever be put into practice.

eNumbra

So, those people who don't have the luxury of playing at the same time as everyone else can sit on it?

bosmern_ESO

Night/Morning capping has been a thing since ESO first came out, it will probably never go away.

Pchela

I personally won't push past a certain area, but not all who play agree to that. Especially solo players/newer ones who don't read this.

BigDSoulReaper

my guild is a 24/7 guild(unless the server is down for maintenance of course ). i am not about to tell them, "hey guys and gals i know you work night shift but when you come home can you not play pvp". its nobodies fault that all alliances dont have 24/7 guilds. i even see guilds in recruiting section that have specific time playing requirements. this is a serious restriction to those guilds. PvP is a competition. if you want to get more competitive and stand a chance, try recruiting for around the clock.

Yonkit

eNumbra wrote: »

So, those people who don't have the luxury of playing at the same time as everyone else can sit on it?

I'm pretty sure that's not what he's saying.

What he's arguing for is the strong guilds who fight it out during primetime should not simply run the map because they drank more redbull than their opponents, or have more time off etc. TF was this crazy good battle last night with the map going in all directions. I logged off at around midnight my time after half a bottle of whiskey but the battle was still going strong even if there were about 75 reds zerging hard (i hope the footage makes its way to the forums!). Then come 4am EP takes emp, then takes the rest over the course of the next few hours. It's what it is and has been going on since as long as this game has existed, but it can be frustrating. We'll see how vigorously EP defends their late night gains. It's annoying but everyone does it. I've done it before too, though usually I left at least one scroll and tri-keeps. But sometimes... we all want to gate camp people.

Akgurd

If you look at population by timezone, you'll notice great unbalance when NZ is at prime time. Basically their country is floating on middle of nowhere and the play time is isolated from all other countries. Azura was at healthy stats till their prime and all the sudden EP goes up to 3bar and other factions down to 1.

That's where the all pvdooring is happening.

eNumbra

Yonkit wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

So, those people who don't have the luxury of playing at the same time as everyone else can sit on it?

I'm pretty sure that's not what he's saying.

What he's arguing for is the strong guilds who fight it out during primetime should not simply run the map because they drank more redbull than their opponents, or have more time off etc. TF was this crazy good battle last night with the map going in all directions. I logged off at around midnight my time after half a bottle of whiskey but the battle was still going strong even if there were about 75 reds zerging hard (i hope the footage makes its way to the forums!). Then come 4am EP takes emp, then takes the rest over the course of the next few hours. It's what it is and has been going on since as long as this game has existed, but it can be frustrating. We'll see how vigorously EP defends their late night gains. It's annoying but everyone does it. I've done it before too, though usually I left at least one scroll and tri-keeps. But sometimes... we all want to gate camp people.

Still basically asking the same; nobody plays when you don't play.

Crown

@Yonkit Somewhat. If EP from Australia come on at 4am eastern and take emp, that's to be expected. If they push and take DC/AD scrolls, that's also to be expected, but holding Warden/Rayles/Glade and BB/BM/Fare prevents reasonably good play and discourages the pittance of people that are on and wanting to do.. anything.. at that time. Let them keep coming back to Aleswell/Ash/Roe/Alessia and fight there, but stop with the gate camping.

@Rylana used to complain to me about AD gate camping all the time until I challenged him to find one single witness of my being at opponent gates (or even relic keeps) when there wasn't a scroll to be had. Some of us have acted honourably for along time. Others have never done so. What Slaxis is asking, is for a gentleperson's agreement that the larger / more organized / intelligent people not kill the fun of everyone else and let fights happen rather than sit with 20 people and kill opponents one by one as they come off the ledge of their home gates.

Xexpo

BigDSoulReaper wrote: »

my guild is a 24/7 guild(unless the server is down for maintenance of course ). i am not about to tell them, "hey guys and gals i know you work night shift but when you come home can you not play pvp". its nobodies fault that all alliances dont have 24/7 guilds. i even see guilds in recruiting section that have specific time playing requirements. this is a serious restriction to those guilds. PvP is a competition. if you want to get more competitive and stand a chance, try recruiting for around the clock.

eNumbra wrote: »

So, those people who don't have the luxury of playing at the same time as everyone else can sit on it?

Pvdooring Keeps with no player resistance isn't pvp, stop pretending.
Taking all the keeps to the gates while most of the player base is sleeping, is just trolling, and everyone knows it. Even the nubs who don't read these forums.


This is a tired and old debate however; a horse beaten to death many months ago.
Some people just can't help themselves and/or feel like 'getting back' at an alliance (usually specific players) for slights perceived when they were fighting during the most populated hours.

There is no way to stop it unless , we the players/community, make it happen. Which at this point seems like a lost cause.

eNumbra

kaer426 wrote: »

Pvdooring Keeps with no player resistance isn't pvp, stop pretending.
Taking all the keeps to the gates while most of the player base is sleeping, is just trolling, and everyone knows it. Even the nubs who don't read these forums.


This is a tired and old debate however; a horse beaten to death many months ago.
Some people just can't help themselves and/or feel like 'getting back' at an alliance (usually specific players) for slights perceived when they were fighting during the most populated hours.

There is no way to stop it unless , we the players/community, make it happen. Which at this point seems like a lost cause.

I'm not pretending it is or justifying anyone who would do it purposefully to "get back at an alliance".

But you, your opinion, and those who agree with the opinion - that night capping needs to be stopped via some intervention despite our world being 24/7, denying some the right to play on their time... are whats wrong with multiplayer gaming today.

Slaxis

BigDSoulReaper wrote: »

my guild is a 24/7 guild(unless the server is down for maintenance of course ). i am not about to tell them, "hey guys and gals i know you work night shift but when you come home can you not play pvp". its nobodies fault that all alliances dont have 24/7 guilds. i even see guilds in recruiting section that have specific time playing requirements. this is a serious restriction to those guilds. PvP is a competition. if you want to get more competitive and stand a chance, try recruiting for around the clock.

I understand that some guilds can have groups running all day hey that's cool. What im saying is when people are taking keeps at 4-6am est time your are taking them undefended so what is the fun in that. Take everything but the lower 3 keeps so when prime time come it will lead to better battles.

SirAndy

Why? And how do you know the keeps weren't defended?
Since you clearly said you weren't playing at the time ...


PS: There is nothing "Gentlemen" about asking other players to stop playing while you're asleep.

BigDSoulReaper

i myself have done pvp till 4-5am and i will tell you they are defended, hell they even push us back. just cause your not there and not seeing them defending doesnt mean they arent trying.

BigTone

@Slaxis I applaud you making this post, and wish our fellow players had the respect for the game that you display in the OP.The problem is not everyone is like this. To my experience it usually isn't the "organized" groups that take keystone keeps with no scrolls at the gates, its unorganized pugs that take satisfaction in killing someone 12v2 or who camp sewers ladders and kill people while they are still in loading screens.

I love the idea and wish more players thought like you.

Crown

@BigTone I've always called them Relic (as opposed to Keystone) keeps. Are you aware of the origin / official term for them?

BigTone

I have heard of them called either Relic or Keystone keeps, not sure of the original or official name for them.

Yonkit

Okay.

I'll stop one-shotting vamps if you guys stop 75vMe.

Deal?

Recremen

Yonkit wrote: »

Okay.

I'll stop one-shotting vamps if you guys stop 75vMe.

Deal?

Your escape game is too strong, it's probably the only way to burst you down fast enough. ;-)

Xexpo

SirAndy wrote: »

...
PS: There is nothing "Gentlemen" about asking other players to stop playing while you're asleep.

No one is asking anyone to log off or to "stop playing"
I don't even see that implied anywhere in this thread ...

OP is just askin' the community to try and not be dingholes,
and to maybe help persuade others to not be dingholes if you see them being a dinghole.

xaraan

Some players are experts at PVDoor, you can't take that away from them.

RadioheadSh0t

I'm fine with people capping scrolls at any hour, but after you have them, let that faction have their inner triangle, don't camp gates, and don't defend those keeps.

All you're doing is slowing down your own AP by discouraging players to be competitive.

hammayolettuce

Ugh. This crap again. Queue someone pontificating about where all the competition went. Then paint the map red and sometimes even yellow after a very fun and competitive night just because people need to sleep some times. This is why people go to the sewers.

Alomar

Lol Slaxis you need to get up to date with your information or if you don't have the correct info not go randomly throwing out accusations and making threads. This pvdooring you're complaining about never happened, it was us looking for the 2 groups of 15 AD each that had just made half a dozen attacks on outposts and keeps within the half an hour before. They stopped attacking so we went looking for them at Fare where we saw swords on the map.

When they did not show from us flagging Fare did we take your scrolls last night? That's right we didn't, when Glade and Fare were taken was after we logged for the night and it was done by a handful of players looking for late night action who also didn't take your scrolls. AD was happy to dethrone me with 40+ people while EP had less than 12 total on in Cyrodiil in the early morning, should I make a thread complaining about morning zerg deposing?

Slaxis

Alomar wrote: »

Lol Slaxis you need to get up to date with your information or if you don't have the correct info not go randomly throwing out accusations and making threads. This pvdooring you're complaining about never happened, it was us looking for the 2 groups of 15 AD each that had just made half a dozen attacks on outposts and keeps within the half an hour before. They stopped attacking so we went looking for them at Fare where we saw swords on the map.

When they did not show from us flagging Fare did we take your scrolls last night? That's right we didn't, when Glade and Fare were taken was after we logged for the night and it was done by a handful of players looking for late night action who also didn't take your scrolls. AD was happy to dethrone me with 40+ people while EP had less than 12 total on in Cyrodiil in the early morning, should I make a thread complaining about morning zerg deposing?

Beast you are not understanding what im saying. Also im not blaming anyone about it what im saying is we need to stop pushing eachother back to our gates when there is no defense to stop it. If someone logs off with emp then so be it dethrone, crown your emp but don't mean push the other factions back all the way. People log in from all factions im guessing like WTF ill just go sewers or not even play.

Crown

@Alomar There's a difference between {crowning, deposing, taking scrolls} and taking the three relic keeps once scrolls have been taken and the relic keeps have been taken back by their owners.

Ishammael

I will respect this gentlemen's agreement.

See you on the field of TrueFlame.

Akinos

Slaxis wrote: »

Alomar wrote: »

Lol Slaxis you need to get up to date with your information or if you don't have the correct info not go randomly throwing out accusations and making threads. This pvdooring you're complaining about never happened, it was us looking for the 2 groups of 15 AD each that had just made half a dozen attacks on outposts and keeps within the half an hour before. They stopped attacking so we went looking for them at Fare where we saw swords on the map.

When they did not show from us flagging Fare did we take your scrolls last night? That's right we didn't, when Glade and Fare were taken was after we logged for the night and it was done by a handful of players looking for late night action who also didn't take your scrolls. AD was happy to dethrone me with 40+ people while EP had less than 12 total on in Cyrodiil in the early morning, should I make a thread complaining about morning zerg deposing?

Beast you are not understanding what im saying. Also im not blaming anyone about it what im saying is we need to stop pushing eachother back to our gates when there is no defense to stop it. If someone logs off with emp then so be it dethrone, crown your emp but don't mean push the other factions back all the way. People log in from all factions im guessing like WTF ill just go sewers or not even play.

Actually you are blaming people, remember when you whispered me last night/this morning and said "stop pvedooring" even though said keep was infact being defended by AD and there was also another half raid or two of AD elsewhere on the map at the time too. Just because you guys can't get your sh*t together long enough to organize a halfway decent keep defense doesn't mean everybody else is "pvedooring".

Satiar

Slaxis wrote: »

I don't know about the other factions here but me personally I hate waking up to all the keeps being taken in the early A.M hours of the day. I say we have a gentleman agreement here and not push each factions lower 3 keeps while there are no defenders. Now I know people are going to respond with some *** but that's ok all I can personally say is myself and my guild will not do it anymore. I want pvp in cyrodill to be competitive again and not discourage people from playing on whichever camp they choose to do so. We all know the *** with exploits, lag and other crap going on. WE as the player base can police certain things to make this game enjoyable again.

Speaking on behalf of VE, we never push tri keeps. Haven't seen the inside of a scroll temple that wasn't blue for a lonnnnnng time. Always found it unsportsmanlike since the fall of Thornblade, no point in pushing the defenseless.