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Anybody else worried that our Armor sets will need to be replaced 3 months from now?
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✭This is an MMO. Of course your armor, weapons, etc will need to be replaced every few months. MMOs are ever changing and always will be0 -
SturgeHammer✭✭✭✭Orsinium coming in December
This game launched with the promise of quarterly content updates, then immediately following the Craglorn update there was a 9 month long content drought. It is very unlikely they will get back on track at this point. So your gear should stay relevant until around May 2016 when Orsinium actually releases.First-in-Line - Swings-for-Lethal
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MrGrimey✭✭✭✭✭Asherons_Call wrote: »This is an MMO. Of course your armor, weapons, etc will need to be replaced every few months. MMOs are ever changing and always will be
I agree. My problem is how expensive/grindy they are to obtain or how much rng is involved with them, especially considering that they might be replaced by December.
I feel if they are only gonna be around for 3 months, then maybe raise the rng, reduce mats for crafted sets, etc...0 -
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If this were the case, ZOS would not be giving players any reason to stay in the new content for very long. Got to have them grind grind grind so they're stuck either buying the DLC or keeping your ESO+ sub going.Asherons_Call wrote: »This is an MMO. Of course your armor, weapons, etc will need to be replaced every few months. MMOs are ever changing and always will be
I agree. My problem is how expensive/grindy they are to obtain or how much rng is involved with them, especially considering that they might be replaced by December.
I feel if they are only gonna be around for 3 months, then maybe raise the rng, reduce mats for crafted sets, etc...SturgeHammer wrote: »Orsinium coming in December
This game launched with the promise of quarterly content updates, then immediately following the Craglorn update there was a 9 month long content drought. It is very unlikely they will get back on track at this point. So your gear should stay relevant until around May 2016 when Orsinium actually releases.
The 9 month drought was because they shoved PC players to the back of the closet while they got the console version ready to be shipped out. But I agree with you, I'll believe that they're pushing for quarterly content when they actually follow up on it.2 -
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✭✭✭An MMO with a ridiculous end game gear grind, where just about the time you craft, find, or buy everything you want something better comes out....... No, I just don't believe it.......
For a while ESO was actually not that MMO. It was just to good to last I guess.
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It's definitely going to happen, no question about it. I sometimes wonder if they even think these things through. What's going to end up happening is that they are going to cause us some major grind fatigue really quick. Most MMOs don't pull this sort of thing till they are nearing their end as a last ditch effort to keep players engaged. I honestly think they are aware that there just wasn't enough content released to keep people interested so they had to put everything behind this huge grind wall to keep people occupied till Orsinium. It just might be too little too late. ZOS has shown they just can't manage a reasonable content schedule. Maybe they need to fire some people whose only job it seems is to remind us of the code of conduct and redact postings and ban people from the forums. Then they might be able to hire competent people to come out with reasonably bug free content in a timely manner.Zos made our V16 gear extremely hard and very expensive to obtain, dropped gear has a very low drop rate and the crafted gear takes a ridiculous amount of mats to craft. I'm usually fine with that, I'm not a fan of getting a DLC and getting everything done in the first week, I like there to be an obtainable goal when u play my mmo.
My problem is, that with Orsinium coming in December, Zos will be releasing new gear sets, some of which will most likely be better as a way to entice people to purchase the DLC. So now I feel that takes away the will to grind these new sets since they will most likely get replaced by the time I get them.
Anybody else feel like this is going to happen? Should the best gear be made more obtainable now that Zos plans to release a DLC every 3 months with new gear sets?:trollin:1 -
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What the OP is suggesting is that most of us won't even have the set gear by the time Orsinium comes out which makes us question their time table for content updates. Either Orsinium won't have new gear, or it will have new gear and we have literally just spent millions of gold and hundreds of hours getting.Asherons_Call wrote: »This is an MMO. Of course your armor, weapons, etc will need to be replaced every few months. MMOs are ever changing and always will be
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✭✭Scyantific wrote: »
If this were the case, ZOS would not be giving players any reason to stay in the new content for very long. Got to have them grind grind grind so they're stuck either buying the DLC or keeping your ESO+ sub going.Asherons_Call wrote: »This is an MMO. Of course your armor, weapons, etc will need to be replaced every few months. MMOs are ever changing and always will be
I agree. My problem is how expensive/grindy they are to obtain or how much rng is involved with them, especially considering that they might be replaced by December.
I feel if they are only gonna be around for 3 months, then maybe raise the rng, reduce mats for crafted sets, etc...SturgeHammer wrote: »Orsinium coming in December
This game launched with the promise of quarterly content updates, then immediately following the Craglorn update there was a 9 month long content drought. It is very unlikely they will get back on track at this point. So your gear should stay relevant until around May 2016 when Orsinium actually releases.
The 9 month drought was because they shoved PC players to the back of the closet while they got the console version ready to be shipped out. But I agree with you, I'll believe that they're pushing for quarterly content when they actually follow up on it.
I am scared of this quarterly idea honestly. IC took them 18 months (or more) to put out and look at what a mess it was/is. How can they honestly expect to keep up with a quarterly pace?:trollin:0 -
This is what will happen: ZOS will nerv the current new armor sets just like the did with the old sets when IC came. Then they will bring out new gear that will be as powerful as what the IC sets used to be like. So there is no progression. Reason for this is so that the old dungeons don't become too easy and to keep people grinding.
They will also likely add some pvp stuff into it that the pvpers have been wanting like duel/arena and make pvpers buy the dlc. Same as what happened in IC with pve. Stop mixing it together!
This is exactly what they did with IC and it will be the same with Orsinium except that the grind will most likely be even worse then.
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^ ^ Probably this..Scyantific wrote: »OP it's a given that all of the IC gear and content will be deemed obsolete with Orsinium. It's a question of how bad ZOS is going to ruin the current stuff we have.
Also, prepare to grind Orc Teeth for gear.
10 Orc Teeth = 1 Orc Jaw
10 Orc Jaws = 1 Orc Points
100 Orc Points = 1 Craft Material
You also need Orc Glue to paste the jaw together. 100k at the local Fighter's Guild.
Well, what I can say is there is currently a distinct lack of V16 potion materials, V16 food recipes, V16 PVP vendor gear,V16 jewellery other than agility/endurance/willpower,V15 crafting writs, V16 glyphs dropping from V16 mobs(currently V15 glyphs drop from V16 mobs). I reckon these will all be introduced for us to farm. I definitely think there will be new gear that everyone wants/needs and will need to farm for. Perhaps things like boots of willpower etc may be introduced in order to offer more gear combinations. This doesn't matter to me, since I'm always a slow coach anyway. By the time I get X, Y is now the BIS.
However, you can bet there will be bear mounts and new motifs/polymorph , so you will probably be grinding no matter what
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✭driosketch wrote: »You may also want to be wary that ZOS will also nerf some of the gear that came out with this DLC between now and then.
Imagine that, finally after 2-3 months of grinding you get the sets you want with right traits, only for them to be nerfed in favour of new sets with Orsinium.
This place will implode with QQ'rs, one will be me xD
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No v16 provisioning/alchemy stuff because those scale in increments of 5. We have v15 potion waters and v15 recipes.
^ ^ Probably this..Scyantific wrote: »OP it's a given that all of the IC gear and content will be deemed obsolete with Orsinium. It's a question of how bad ZOS is going to ruin the current stuff we have.
Also, prepare to grind Orc Teeth for gear.
10 Orc Teeth = 1 Orc Jaw
10 Orc Jaws = 1 Orc Points
100 Orc Points = 1 Craft Material
You also need Orc Glue to paste the jaw together. 100k at the local Fighter's Guild.
Well, what I can say is there is currently a distinct lack of V16 potion materials, V16 food recipes, V16 PVP vendor gear,V16 jewellery other than agility/endurance/willpower,V15 crafting writs, V16 glyphs dropping from V16 mobs(currently V15 glyphs drop from V16 mobs). I reckon these will all be introduced for us to farm. I definitely think there will be new gear that everyone wants/needs and will need to farm for. Perhaps things like boots of willpower etc may be introduced in order to offer more gear combinations. This doesn't matter to me, since I'm always a slow coach anyway. By the time I get X, Y is now the BIS.
However, you can bet there will be bear mounts and new motifs/polymorph , so you will probably be grinding no matter what
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Liffy316✭Maybe they will bring trials up to 16 and the cyrodiil stuff up to 16? So everything will be back in line again?0
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ChaosWotan✭✭✭✭✭Bonkers. If a normal person reads this forum she would think we are bonkers.
Or something similar.
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angelyn✭✭✭✭Scyantific wrote: »
No v16 provisioning/alchemy stuff because those scale in increments of 5. We have v15 potion waters and v15 recipes.
^ ^ Probably this..Scyantific wrote: »OP it's a given that all of the IC gear and content will be deemed obsolete with Orsinium. It's a question of how bad ZOS is going to ruin the current stuff we have.
Also, prepare to grind Orc Teeth for gear.
10 Orc Teeth = 1 Orc Jaw
10 Orc Jaws = 1 Orc Points
100 Orc Points = 1 Craft Material
You also need Orc Glue to paste the jaw together. 100k at the local Fighter's Guild.
Well, what I can say is there is currently a distinct lack of V16 potion materials, V16 food recipes, V16 PVP vendor gear,V16 jewellery other than agility/endurance/willpower,V15 crafting writs, V16 glyphs dropping from V16 mobs(currently V15 glyphs drop from V16 mobs). I reckon these will all be introduced for us to farm. I definitely think there will be new gear that everyone wants/needs and will need to farm for. Perhaps things like boots of willpower etc may be introduced in order to offer more gear combinations. This doesn't matter to me, since I'm always a slow coach anyway. By the time I get X, Y is now the BIS.
However, you can bet there will be bear mounts and new motifs/polymorph , so you will probably be grinding no matter what
Hmmm that's interesting..Very thought provoking @Scyantific ..*brain runs off on a tangent *
Sooo either we will never have those at V16 levels?, or they will add V21 eventually? They have already split V15 and V16 enchanting runes..but those used to have a range like "can be used V10 to V14"
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✭✭✭✭✭Yep, people are spending millions and grinding their brains out in IC to get top gear only to have all that effort (and gold) go to waist when Orsinium comes out. ZOS said many times in the past that VR ranks would not go up, yet they continue to.
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✭✭✭ChaosWotan wrote: »Bonkers. If a normal person reads this forum she would think we are bonkers.
Or something similar.
But they would be right !? So what is the problem?
And what exactly is one of these normal person mobs . I never encountered one on a gaming forum...or even on a serious 'professional' forum.Edited by PBpsy on September 29, 2015 9:21PMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)0 -
ChaosWotan✭✭✭✭✭I have no need to be so-called neurotypical, but even I have to admit that this forum has become too much. Anybody who looks at it from the outside will wonder what's happening here. A public display of no-lifers' sincere sorrow?
Each post may not mean much, but put together it seems like a small mountain of frustration.
But what the heck, life is absurd anyway, it seems, so keep posting.
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✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
What the OP is suggesting is that most of us won't even have the set gear by the time Orsinium comes out which makes us question their time table for content updates. Either Orsinium won't have new gear, or it will have new gear and we have literally just spent millions of gold and hundreds of hours getting.Asherons_Call wrote: »This is an MMO. Of course your armor, weapons, etc will need to be replaced every few months. MMOs are ever changing and always will be
Do what I do, get geared up a patch behind! That way you get your gear cheap and it's still pretty good. You just have to throw your ego out the door and be ok with slightly less uber shiny new gear.2 -
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✭✭✭Asherons_Call wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
What the OP is suggesting is that most of us won't even have the set gear by the time Orsinium comes out which makes us question their time table for content updates. Either Orsinium won't have new gear, or it will have new gear and we have literally just spent millions of gold and hundreds of hours getting.Asherons_Call wrote: »This is an MMO. Of course your armor, weapons, etc will need to be replaced every few months. MMOs are ever changing and always will be
Do what I do, get geared up a patch behind! That way you get your gear cheap and it's still pretty good. You just have to throw your ego out the door and be ok with slightly less uber shiny new gear.
That is all nice and fine until you reach a point where you realize that you can't even make a meaningful contribution to a successful end game PUG run anymore.Edited by PBpsy on September 29, 2015 10:00PMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)0 -
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✭Telel has to wonder if anyone remembers a time when one could not purchase veteran rank 14 PVP gear from bags. Or veteran rank 12 gear for that matter.
From some of the complaints in recent threads it certainly does seem as if this one is the only khajiit who's been in the game more than three months.
Also...this one is going to preemptively make a 'datz becuz everyone qut the game after 1 wek lololicanttype' comment.
They have just saved someone a hour of pecking at their keyboards and expect a thank you.
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tpanisiakb16_ESO✭✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
What the OP is suggesting is that most of us won't even have the set gear by the time Orsinium comes out which makes us question their time table for content updates. Either Orsinium won't have new gear, or it will have new gear and we have literally just spent millions of gold and hundreds of hours getting.Asherons_Call wrote: »This is an MMO. Of course your armor, weapons, etc will need to be replaced every few months. MMOs are ever changing and always will be
Eeeh, this is why I've "quit". I've let my sub lapse and have 5 days left and I think I'm totally cool with it, you know? I've never played a game that has a complete disrespect for my time quite like ESO does. This last two weeks of farming ICP / WGT nightly plus each vet / normal pledge has yielded us buckets full of middle fingers. I'm not asking for every night to receive a piece of loot, but after three weeks of getting absolutely nothing to help our gear progression it's hard to think positive. The OP has echoed what my team has been musing about for a couple of days. Really, what's the point? I run with the same three people each night and since launch only one person has attained a SINGLE piece of gear which he can't really use until he gets four more. It's absolutely amazing how poor the RNG and gear treadmill are, and now in a couple of months we get to do it all over again. I'm not even going to touch the terrible trait problem.
I don't see why we can't get a point, a stone, a whatever-currency item you want to call it, and after X amount we can turn in for one piece of gear that would otherwise drop out of the dungeons. WoW did it and while many of the "no lifer" crowd argued against it and their "welfare epics", it felt just right for my guild. You still had to put in effort and it wasn't 100% wasted if you didn't get anything the evening you played.
It's really heartbreaking to turn away from this game. It has great soul, amazing potential, and a pretty decent in-game community. But I'm tired of feeling like an abused housewife, I don't have to keep coming back or making excuses for the development team and decision makers, I can put my 4 hours a night and efford to another game which feels rewarding and engaging, and isn't hellbent on nerfing or punishing me at every moment.
Please ZOS, I really want to give you a chance, stop pushing me down the stairs.Edited by tpanisiakb16_ESO on September 29, 2015 10:21PM0 -
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We remember that time. But we also remember that those sets were not the only option and we do also remember that at no point until now previously good gear was so severely and generally nerfed following the introduction of a completely new gearing balance.Telel has to wonder if anyone remembers a time when one could not purchase veteran rank 14 PVP gear from bags. Or veteran rank 12 gear for that matter.
From some of the complaints in recent threads it certainly does seem as if this one is the only khajiit who's been in the game more than three months.
Also...this one is going to preemptively make a 'datz becuz everyone qut the game after 1 wek lololicanttype' comment.
They have just saved someone a hour of pecking at their keyboards and expect a thank you.
What is funny is that I am mostly a PVE player and I enjoyed farming millions of AP for VR14 gear by PVPing than wtfever I am supposed to do to get gear and and telvar poop in the IC.ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)0 -
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✭✭slumber_sandb16_ESO wrote: »Since the VR isn't going up I imagine that any new gear will likely give you more/different options for builds rather than being more powerful.
This most likely. No increase in VR means armour likely wont be more powerful but rather have new unique bonuses for more variety. Hope so at least.
New armour sets, new weapon sets, new jewelry sets. Hopefully in 2, 3 and 5 sets so various sets can be combined in more ways.
Hopefully they upgrade some of the older sets to drop at V16
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