Only a matter of time before weapons and armor in the Crown Store

Pallmor

At first it will be weapons and armor you can already earn in game, provided only for your "convenience," of course.

Then they'll introduce some new cool weapons and armor with crazy low drop rates or that you can only make after a crazy long grind. Or you could just buy them in the Crown Store. Again, these are only provided for your convenience. You COULD still earn them the hard way, if you're willing to grind for a year or two.

Motifs are just the harbinger of where the Crown Store will ultimately go.

Callous2208

I hope that is never the case. Would just be following the cycle of every other game I no longer play. I'm hoping the b2p moniker and not true f2p namesake prevents this.

cjthibs

They said no, I'll continue to believe that until I see otherwise.

Shadesofkin

In other news: it rained on chicken little and he thought the sky was falling.

Prof_Bawbag

You have nothing to back that theory up at all. Motifs are one thing, uber weapons and armour are another thing. Ultimately, cosmetics are all they are. The only thing remotely questionable (as far as getting an upper hand or helping hand are the XP potions). The horse training affords me no advantage at all other than not being left behind everyone else in Cyrodiil on our way to a keep etc.

robkrush

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

You have nothing to back that theory up at all. Motifs are one thing, uber weapons and armour are another thing. Ultimately, cosmetics are all they are. The only thing remotely questionable (as far as getting an upper hand or helping hand is the XP potions). The horse training affords me no advantage at all other than being left behind everyone else in Cyrodiil on our way to a keep etc.

XP potions for grinding levels, Champ Points, leveling skills, etc

Tri stat food

Tri pots

Horse training - gets you back to the fight faster

Game is already P2W.

Prof_Bawbag

robkrush wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

You have nothing to back that theory up at all. Motifs are one thing, uber weapons and armour are another thing. Ultimately, cosmetics are all they are. The only thing remotely questionable (as far as getting an upper hand or helping hand is the XP potions). The horse training affords me no advantage at all other than being left behind everyone else in Cyrodiil on our way to a keep etc.

XP potions for grinding levels, Champ Points, leveling skills, etc

Tri stat food

Tri pots

Horse training - gets you back to the fight faster

Game is already P2W.

Here is a visual:

I can make a lot better potions/food than the ones you get on the CS. And levelling provisioning isn't exactly a grind. Tons of mats and shoots up faster than a junkie in a drug den.

Callous2208

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I can make a lot better potions/food than the ones you get on the CS. And levelling provisioning isn't exactly a grind. Tons of mats and shoots up faster than a junkie in a drug den.

Yep.

Reverb

Development effort will be pointed toward the revenue stream. As much as I wish it weren't true, the slide toward clear p2w is inevitable. A company can take the long view, that a solid quality game with quality updates is better for the long term health of the product, and corresponding customer loyalty and longevity, but most stakeholders don't sign for that. They want the now, the next, the "what can you do to improve next quarters' projections". Better and better cash shop items will be the slam dunk.

Alucardo

Please remove your tin foil hat and join the real world.

ScruffyWhiskers

If I could buy a v16 light armor version of Stygian in the Crown Shoppe, I would be very happy.

Pallmor

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I can make a lot better potions/food than the ones you get on the CS. And levelling provisioning isn't exactly a grind. Tons of mats and shoots up faster than a junkie in a drug den.

And are ingredients like Perfect Roe easy to find?

Browiseth

Pallmor wrote: »

Motifs are just the harbinger of where the Crown Store will ultimately go.

So...Cosmetic and convenience?

Callous2208

Reverb wrote: »

Development effort will be pointed toward the revenue stream. As much as I wish it weren't true, the slide toward clear p2w is inevitable. A company can take the long view, that a solid quality game with quality updates is better for the long term health of the product, and corresponding customer loyalty and longevity, but most stakeholders don't sign for that. They want the now, the next, the "what can you do to improve next quarters' projections". Better and better cash shop items will be the slam dunk.

You underestimate a number of the current players willingness to spend large sum's on cosmetics and convenience items. Also take into account the number of people that will pay for expansions and are still currently subbed. I realize investors love profits and want to always see growth, but what is better; a thousand people playing and 100 buying a BiS mega sword for 50 bucks, or a few hundred thousand playing, some subbing, and a great many buying 20$-50$ worth of cosmetics every few months. I'd take the latter, because if you honestly believe the day BiS gear starts appearing in the crown store, over half the population doesn't walk out, you haven't been playing mmo's long enough.

ArrerBoy

robkrush wrote: »

XP potions for grinding levels, Champ Points, leveling skills, etc

Which you can easily get without. Champ points? Pff. I doubt I have as many as other players given how often I take a break from this game, yet I can still handle myself in PvP. Skill level? I didn't even realize I maxed out half my skill levels before VR2 until I had to respec.

robkrush wrote: »

Tri stat food

No different from purple recipes.

robkrush wrote: »

Tri pots

Like potions but paid for.

robkrush wrote: »

Horse training - gets you back to the fight faster

Or you could use those things called wayshrines.

robkrush wrote: »

Game is already P2W.

I don't think you know what P2W means. This is the sort of stuff available on GW2 gem store, but no one calls them out on it. What makes ESO different? That you are playing it? These advantages are minimal and can be achieved without paying a dime. Pay 2 Win is when you cannot hope to achieve this level without shelling out some cash like say Clash of Clans, or any of the bazillion clones on the mobile market.

Callous2208

Pallmor wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I can make a lot better potions/food than the ones you get on the CS. And levelling provisioning isn't exactly a grind. Tons of mats and shoots up faster than a junkie in a drug den.

And are ingredients like Perfect Roe easy to find?

Yes, every guild trader in every major city has some.

acw37162

Opinions are not facts and facts are not opinions.

Preyfar

ZOS just needs to incentive subscriptions more (things like the crafting bag will help). Giving people a better reason to sub to the game will get more people to do just that.

Pallmor

Alucardo wrote: »

Please remove your tin foil hat and join the real world.

I think I saw these same sort of posts back when a few us us were speculating that the game might go F2P.

"ZOS has said they will always require a monthly subscription and I believe them."

"You're being crazy. They just removed the 180-day renewal option because no one was using it. They're NOT getting rid of the monthly subscription requirement."

"Never gonna happen. This is a subscription based game and it's going to stay that way."

Cadbury

Whenever I read topics like this, I always think of this song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY

ArrerBoy

No, it was pretty obvious they were going F2P, because that's how a lot of successful MMOs sustain themselves. The subscription system was a means to recoup expenses and satisfy investors, a lot of TES veterans saw this before the game even left beta. Going P2W however is a totally different ballpark. You are looking at stuff that other games like GW2 and assuming that it is a sign that ESO will introduce game breaking items behind a paygate.

Pallmor

Browiseth wrote: »

Pallmor wrote: »

Motifs are just the harbinger of where the Crown Store will ultimately go.

So...Cosmetic and convenience?

Well being able to buy a full set of VR16 Black Rose would certainly be a lot more convenient than having to grind for the mats, wouldn't it?

Prof_Bawbag

Pallmor wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I can make a lot better potions/food than the ones you get on the CS. And levelling provisioning isn't exactly a grind. Tons of mats and shoots up faster than a junkie in a drug den.

And are ingredients like Perfect Roe easy to find?

Well, I did pick out the xp potion as being the questionable item on the CS, so I'm not exactly sure what else I can say other than I agree with you on that one. The tri potions and food aren't that great compared to the ones you can make yourself. The mats are literally everywhere. For example, when i knew i was about ready to level my provisioning, I gathered mats as I was going along, a week before hand and when it came to levelling it, I managed it in under an hour. Recipes are dirt cheap in guilds (the ones you need to fill the gaps) and are easy to find too.

nine9six

Don't care.

robkrush

ArrerBoy wrote: »

robkrush wrote: »

XP potions for grinding levels, Champ Points, leveling skills, etc

Which you can easily get without. Champ points? Pff. I doubt I have as many as other players given how often I take a break from this game, yet I can still handle myself in PvP. Skill level? I didn't even realize I maxed out half my skill levels before VR2 until I had to respec.

robkrush wrote: »

Tri stat food

No different from purple recipes.

robkrush wrote: »

Tri pots

Like potions but paid for.

robkrush wrote: »

Horse training - gets you back to the fight faster

Or you could use those things called wayshrines.

robkrush wrote: »

Game is already P2W.

I don't think you know what P2W means. This is the sort of stuff available on GW2 gem store, but no one calls them out on it. What makes ESO different? That you are playing it? These advantages are minimal and can be achieved without paying a dime. Pay 2 Win is when you cannot hope to achieve this level without shelling out some cash like say Clash of Clans, or any of the bazillion clones on the mobile market.

I'll refer you back to my chart. Thank you.

ArrerBoy

robkrush wrote: »

I'll refer you back to my chart. Thank you.

A chart that must be true, because it's on the internet.

Browiseth

Pallmor wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

Pallmor wrote: »

Motifs are just the harbinger of where the Crown Store will ultimately go.

So...Cosmetic and convenience?

Well being able to buy a full set of VR16 Black Rose would certainly be a lot more convenient than having to grind for the mats, wouldn't it?

A v16 black rose set also isn't purely cosmetic

Pallmor

Of course there is also the possibility that they could do the round-about trick of introducing new top-tier craftable gear made with very-very low drop-rate mats and then sell the mats themselves in the Crown Store (like they do now with Malachite shards). That would allow them to say they're TECHNICALLY not selling the weapons and armor themselves.

Pallmor

Browiseth wrote: »

Pallmor wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

Pallmor wrote: »

Motifs are just the harbinger of where the Crown Store will ultimately go.

So...Cosmetic and convenience?

Well being able to buy a full set of VR16 Black Rose would certainly be a lot more convenient than having to grind for the mats, wouldn't it?

A v16 black rose set also isn't purely cosmetic

Neither are potions and exp boosters.

Browiseth

Pallmor wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

Pallmor wrote: »

Browiseth wrote: »

Pallmor wrote: »

Motifs are just the harbinger of where the Crown Store will ultimately go.

So...Cosmetic and convenience?

Well being able to buy a full set of VR16 Black Rose would certainly be a lot more convenient than having to grind for the mats, wouldn't it?

A v16 black rose set also isn't purely cosmetic

Neither are potions and exp boosters.

Well, let's be completely fair...Crown potions may as well be cosmetic since they're such a pretty shade of purple in your inventory screen

exp boosters you got me there; but srsly, the sky isn't even falling mate

robkrush

You can buy motifs in the crown store, make gear to sell to people(using their mats), then buy the best gear in the game. Looks like P2W, smells like P2W, MUST BE P2W!