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[poll] How would you rate the upcoming pumpkin head costume? Pics inside
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k9mouse✭✭✭✭✭
✭1-2: These ugly things have no place in ESO. If I see this I will...
It is not "demonic" the Demonra is a race -- have rules of society and social order, aka Clans, They have crafters and stores. There is no lore books in any single TES games ( they are more canon then ESO is) talking about such a critter as shown in the picture and there is no mention of a "Holloween" events in TES lore books. They have other traditions instead and why they are not in game? Dunmer, Nord, Khajiit, Argonian, Altmer, Bosmer, Orc, Breton, Red Graud, Imperail, etc Where are the lore books that tell about normal races traditions? and why they are not shown in game? Why can't ZOS add that into BEFORE adding silly looking monsters to the game?
It is based to much on RL history. NPC like the pic is one aspect, may be, but for player chars -- that just ruin the game. It has no logic of why some many "normal" people will be turned into a monster. This is the same trap that RIFT fall into -- stupid mounts with no logic behind them, do not follow their own history or traditions. I walked away my maxed out char on RIFT and I do the same to ESO if ZOS starts adding items like this to game. I hate the fire, ice and lighting horse mounts. Where is the lore behind that? Show me the book in game that explains why there are so many on Nirn and why people are riding them? These are the same questions I have for the critter in the pic shown here.
You are right, but I think you mean Dremora.
They do indeed have clans and hierarchies.
However, if we are going to say "where is the lorebook explaining X and Y in the game, where is the lorebook in the future games explaining the Planemeld? Where is the lorebook in Skyrim explaining riding dragons? Where is the lorebook explaining so many incarnations of The Vestige?
I say this as an avid RP'er as well as lore fan. This is not your lore. It is the lore of Bethesda and Zenimax to do with as they see fit. Do we have to like it? No, of course not. But ultimately, only THEY can say what is lore appropriate.
In Skyrim to explain riding dragon by talking with the said dragon. He let the player ride him, and no one else. It has good logic to explain this and we can and can not do with the riding dragons.
It is a MMO, it is a give and take with PVE and PVP. There is one Vestige how many look at it and the other players are not. The NPC dialog support this idea. Because it is a MMO, part of the give and take that we have to deal with. If Bethesda and Zenimax want my money, they have to make sure the lore makes logical sense, have good background as why the things way they are. Anything that does not follow good logic, it should not be part of lore. I love the fact the lore is from the NPC's POV -- they can be wrong, but if one put together with other NPCs -- it still have a certain logic to it. ESO is still in the dark age -- many books are destroy (look at the Imperial City). The Elder Scroll and Planemeld did mess up the flow of time. That is why we have lore books from the future (aka from the games of Oblivion and Skyrim) in ESO now. It all have logic and a good reason why the things are. Where is such logic in the pic of the critter shown?briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »
It is not "demonic" the Demonra is a race -- have rules of society and social order, aka Clans, They have crafters and stores. There is no lore books in any single TES games ( they are more canon then ESO is) talking about such a critter as shown in the picture and there is no mention of a "Holloween" events in TES lore books. They have other traditions instead and why they are not in game? Dunmer, Nord, Khajiit, Argonian, Altmer, Bosmer, Orc, Breton, Red Graud, Imperail, etc Where are the lore books that tell about normal races traditions? and why they are not shown in game? Why can't ZOS add that into BEFORE adding silly looking monsters to the game?
It is based to much on RL history. NPC like the pic is one aspect, may be, but for player chars -- that just ruin the game. It has no logic of why some many "normal" people will be turned into a monster. This is the same trap that RIFT fall into -- stupid mounts with no logic behind them, do not follow their own history or traditions. I walked away my maxed out char on RIFT and I do the same to ESO if ZOS starts adding items like this to game. I hate the fire, ice and lighting horse mounts. Where is the lore behind that? Show me the book in game that explains why there are so many on Nirn and why people are riding them? These are the same questions I have for the critter in the pic shown here.
You are right, but I think you mean Dremora. They do indeed have clans and hierarchies.
However, if we are going to say "where is the lorebook explaining X and Y in the game, where is the lorebook in the future games explaining the Planemeld? Where is the lorebook in Skyrim explaining riding dragons? Where is the lorebook explaining so many incarnations of The Vestige?
I say this as an avid RP'er as well as lore fan. This is not your lore. It is the lore of Bethesda and Zenimax to do with as they see fit. Do we have to like it? No, of course not. But ultimately, only THEY can say what is lore appropriate.
It is a gimmick it is neon it is lame and looks horrific.
Remove these seasonal crap and plz no christmas stuff. Or at least limit the costumes longetivity to being usable only during this period.
I don't want all the PvPers running around using this I like medieval not med-neon
And there is the crux of the matter.
"What I want."
It is not part of "I want" It is the players wanting a world to be living and having good logic and history, The ability to be "in the zone." If PVPers still running with stupid silly outfits look shown in the pic, it will make very hard to enjoy the game by being in it. Any game must have lore and a reason why the player is doing what they are doing. That what lore does to a game and every game must have it. If not, it is a random mess. TES games stood the test of time (over 20 years) because it has logic and history to explain the why of the world.
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willymchilybily✭✭✭✭6-8: Doesn't bother me.
It is not "demonic" the Demonra is a race -- have rules of society and social order, aka Clans, They have crafters and stores. There is no lore books in any single TES games ( they are more canon then ESO is) talking about such a critter as shown in the picture and there is no mention of a "Holloween" events in TES lore books. They have other traditions instead and why they are not in game? Dunmer, Nord, Khajiit, Argonian, Altmer, Bosmer, Orc, Breton, Red Graud, Imperail, etc Where are the lore books that tell about normal races traditions? and why they are not shown in game? Why can't ZOS add that into BEFORE adding silly looking monsters to the game?
It is based to much on RL history. NPC like the pic is one aspect, may be, but for player chars -- that just ruin the game. It has no logic of why some many "normal" people will be turned into a monster. This is the same trap that RIFT fall into -- stupid mounts with no logic behind them, do not follow their own history or traditions. I walked away my maxed out char on RIFT and I do the same to ESO if ZOS starts adding items like this to game. I hate the fire, ice and lighting horse mounts. Where is the lore behind that? Show me the book in game that explains why there are so many on Nirn and why people are riding them? These are the same questions I have for the critter in the pic shown here.
shadowmere is fine but other horses are lore breaking? one would assume mages imbuing animals and mounts with magicka and magical effects was a natural evolution.whats your position on armored mounts? fine because it was in oblivion but anything new is a no go? how are they meant to expand the depth of the lore without bringing in new elements? or what about non horse based mounts?Edited by willymchilybily on September 28, 2015 2:05PMPSN - WarpPigeon - Guild: TheSyndicate - EU, Ebonheart PactDragon Knight [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofNight Blade [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofSorcerer [Magicka] - 720 - Flawless ConquerorTemplar [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofDragon Knight [Stamina] - 720 - StormproofNight Blade [Stamina] - 720 - StormproofSorcerer [Stamina] - 7200 -
Rosveen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭3-5: Breaks immersion, but...It isn't as horrible as Santa hats would be and not even the most lore-breaking thing currently in the game. But it's cheap, unimaginative and clearly meant to capitalize on a real world holiday instead of drawing from the TES universe and its rich lore. That's the main reason why I don't like it. Halloween is a fairly harmless holiday to take inspiration from because witches, undead etc. aren't out of place in most fantasy universes. But still, when I see a new costume, I should connect it with its role in Tamriel, not instantly think of its real world inspirations. The pumpkin polymporph fails at this. It takes me out of the world, and that's a shame.Edited by Rosveen on September 28, 2015 2:06PM2 -
AhPook_Is_Here✭✭✭✭✭
✭9-10: I don't care. I will buy it
By Azura I hope there's no Christmas stuff... Give us some New Life Festival stuff though and I'll be happy.AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »It looks awesome! I can't wait to see the Christmas stuff!
As long as it is red and green and there are reindeer elf mounts and presents I don't care what it is called!
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JD2013✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭6-8: Doesn't bother me.
It is not "demonic" the Demonra is a race -- have rules of society and social order, aka Clans, They have crafters and stores. There is no lore books in any single TES games ( they are more canon then ESO is) talking about such a critter as shown in the picture and there is no mention of a "Holloween" events in TES lore books. They have other traditions instead and why they are not in game? Dunmer, Nord, Khajiit, Argonian, Altmer, Bosmer, Orc, Breton, Red Graud, Imperail, etc Where are the lore books that tell about normal races traditions? and why they are not shown in game? Why can't ZOS add that into BEFORE adding silly looking monsters to the game?
It is based to much on RL history. NPC like the pic is one aspect, may be, but for player chars -- that just ruin the game. It has no logic of why some many "normal" people will be turned into a monster. This is the same trap that RIFT fall into -- stupid mounts with no logic behind them, do not follow their own history or traditions. I walked away my maxed out char on RIFT and I do the same to ESO if ZOS starts adding items like this to game. I hate the fire, ice and lighting horse mounts. Where is the lore behind that? Show me the book in game that explains why there are so many on Nirn and why people are riding them? These are the same questions I have for the critter in the pic shown here.
You are right, but I think you mean Dremora. They do indeed have clans and hierarchies.
However, if we are going to say "where is the lorebook explaining X and Y in the game, where is the lorebook in the future games explaining the Planemeld? Where is the lorebook in Skyrim explaining riding dragons? Where is the lorebook explaining so many incarnations of The Vestige?
I say this as an avid RP'er as well as lore fan. This is not your lore. It is the lore of Bethesda and Zenimax to do with as they see fit. Do we have to like it? No, of course not. But ultimately, only THEY can say what is lore appropriate.
In Skyrim to explain riding dragon by talking with the said dragon. He let the player ride him, and no one else. It has good logic to explain this and we can and can not do with the riding dragons.
It is a MMO, it is a give and take with PVE and PVP. There is one Vestige how many look at it and the other players are not. The NPC dialog support this idea. Because it is a MMO, part of the give and take that we have to deal with. If Bethesda and Zenimax want my money, they have to make sure the lore makes logical sense, have good background as why the things way they are. Anything that does not follow good logic, it should not be part of lore. I love the fact the lore is from the NPC's POV -- they can be wrong, but if one put together with other NPCs -- it still have a certain logic to it. ESO is still in the dark age -- many books are destroy (look at the Imperial City). The Elder Scroll and Planemeld did mess up the flow of time. That is why we have lore books from the future (aka from the games of Oblivion and Skyrim) in ESO now. It all have logic and a good reason why the things are. Where is such logic in the pic of the critter shown?briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »
It is not "demonic" the Demonra is a race -- have rules of society and social order, aka Clans, They have crafters and stores. There is no lore books in any single TES games ( they are more canon then ESO is) talking about such a critter as shown in the picture and there is no mention of a "Holloween" events in TES lore books. They have other traditions instead and why they are not in game? Dunmer, Nord, Khajiit, Argonian, Altmer, Bosmer, Orc, Breton, Red Graud, Imperail, etc Where are the lore books that tell about normal races traditions? and why they are not shown in game? Why can't ZOS add that into BEFORE adding silly looking monsters to the game?
It is based to much on RL history. NPC like the pic is one aspect, may be, but for player chars -- that just ruin the game. It has no logic of why some many "normal" people will be turned into a monster. This is the same trap that RIFT fall into -- stupid mounts with no logic behind them, do not follow their own history or traditions. I walked away my maxed out char on RIFT and I do the same to ESO if ZOS starts adding items like this to game. I hate the fire, ice and lighting horse mounts. Where is the lore behind that? Show me the book in game that explains why there are so many on Nirn and why people are riding them? These are the same questions I have for the critter in the pic shown here.
You are right, but I think you mean Dremora. They do indeed have clans and hierarchies.
However, if we are going to say "where is the lorebook explaining X and Y in the game, where is the lorebook in the future games explaining the Planemeld? Where is the lorebook in Skyrim explaining riding dragons? Where is the lorebook explaining so many incarnations of The Vestige?
I say this as an avid RP'er as well as lore fan. This is not your lore. It is the lore of Bethesda and Zenimax to do with as they see fit. Do we have to like it? No, of course not. But ultimately, only THEY can say what is lore appropriate.
It is a gimmick it is neon it is lame and looks horrific.
Remove these seasonal crap and plz no christmas stuff. Or at least limit the costumes longetivity to being usable only during this period.
I don't want all the PvPers running around using this I like medieval not med-neon
And there is the crux of the matter.
"What I want."
It is not part of "I want" It is the players wanting a world to be living and having good logic and history, The ability to be "in the zone." If PVPers still running with stupid silly outfits look shown in the pic, it will make very hard to enjoy the game by being in it. Any game must have lore and a reason why the player is doing what they are doing. That what lore does to a game and every game must have it. If not, it is a random mess. TES games stood the test of time (over 20 years) because it has logic and history to explain the why of the world.
It is very much "what I want." He even said "I don't want this running around in PVP."
"It is an mmo" is not a perfectly lore friendly way of explaining hundreds of other Vestiges running around Tamriel. I think that the Planemeld did indeed mess up the flow of time, the only perfectly reasonable explanation for what is happening in Tamriel in 2E 582 is it is all within a Dragonbreak caused by the Soulburst event. But nobody has stated that this is a Dragon Break, so we can't say that it is.
As for the horses, is it not perfectly reasonable that Mages would infuse steeds with magic? It is definitely not a perfect explanation, but it makes the most sense at the moment. As for the pumpkin head creature, Necromancy is my theory. They cobble together bits to create things like a Flesh Atronach, why not something like this? I mean, it would be an odd and rather sick joke for a Necromancer to use a pumpkin for a head, but it is entirely possible.
Or, do as I do, when I am doing RP and put your shutters on and immerse with those you are doing RP with. PVP is a very bad area to try and RP and be immersed imo.Sweetrolls for all!
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Elektrakosh✭✭✭6-8: Doesn't bother me.I'd sooner like to see a headless horseman costume than this.
Still, if this is what people want, who am I to criticise?Argonian Painted-By-Elements -Pure Sorceress- Daggerfall Covenant. V1 I hate recipes!
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Robbmrp✭✭✭✭✭
✭Best costume to date IMO. @ZOS needs to add in costumes for the holidays that go away after the holiday.....So you have it for two weeks possibly the entire month of the holiday and then it's gone till next year. That would add the holiday flair people would like to see and things wouldn't get out of hand with someone always wearing a Leprechaun outfit....
Either that or add in ESO themed holiday costumes(temporarily). I'm not a lore fanatic but there has to be some holidays these poor people in Tamriel celebrated.....
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Enodoc✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭1-2: These ugly things have no place in ESO. If I see this I will...
It's not so much that the horses themselves are lore-breaking, it's the quantity in which you find them. There is one Shadowmere. However did Mehrunes Dagon get a whole herd of horses to turn into Nightmare Coursers? Why have dozens of Frost Mares escaped from Takubar? Daedric summoning is not supposed to be that prevalent.willymchilybily wrote: »
shadowmere is fine but other horses are lore breaking? one would assume mages imbuing animals and mounts with magicka and magical effects was a natural evolution.whats your position on armored mounts? fine because it was in oblivion but anything new is a no go? how are they meant to expand the depth of the lore without bringing in new elements? or what about non horse based mounts?
It is not "demonic" the Demonra is a race -- have rules of society and social order, aka Clans, They have crafters and stores. There is no lore books in any single TES games ( they are more canon then ESO is) talking about such a critter as shown in the picture and there is no mention of a "Holloween" events in TES lore books. They have other traditions instead and why they are not in game? Dunmer, Nord, Khajiit, Argonian, Altmer, Bosmer, Orc, Breton, Red Graud, Imperail, etc Where are the lore books that tell about normal races traditions? and why they are not shown in game? Why can't ZOS add that into BEFORE adding silly looking monsters to the game?
It is based to much on RL history. NPC like the pic is one aspect, may be, but for player chars -- that just ruin the game. It has no logic of why some many "normal" people will be turned into a monster. This is the same trap that RIFT fall into -- stupid mounts with no logic behind them, do not follow their own history or traditions. I walked away my maxed out char on RIFT and I do the same to ESO if ZOS starts adding items like this to game. I hate the fire, ice and lighting horse mounts. Where is the lore behind that? Show me the book in game that explains why there are so many on Nirn and why people are riding them? These are the same questions I have for the critter in the pic shown here.
See now most of that would be plausible. Red and green clothes in mellow (read - not brash) shades already exist, so there's no reason there can't be more of them. Bosmer riding deer/elk through the forests of Valenwood could be logical; it may already have happened in lore, but I'm not sure if it has. It is established in lore that people give each other presents for Saturalia, so that would be fine too.AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »
As long as it is red and green and there are reindeer elf mounts and presents I don't care what it is called!
By Azura I hope there's no Christmas stuff... Give us some New Life Festival stuff though and I'll be happy.AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »It looks awesome! I can't wait to see the Christmas stuff!
I don't think it's possible to infuse things with magic like that. But if it was, it would be a rare occurrence; you wouldn't see them all over the place.As for the horses, is it not perfectly reasonable that Mages would infuse steeds with magic?UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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Sanguine✭✭3-5: Breaks immersion, but...Eh, doesn't bother me personally, but I don't really like the concept itself. It just seems way too obvious that it was inspired by Halloween rather than the Tamrielic holiday. I wouldn't mind a more original demon-like creature, since the Witch's festival does include conjurers and the like summoning strange creatures.
Then again I won't be buying this, but I won't be harping on players that do. The skeletal mounts though? Definitely getting those.Edited by Sanguine on September 28, 2015 10:30PMUsername: @Sanguine_Revenant
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✭✭How about an option for, "How is adding items to the Crown Store even remotely more important than fixing bugs that effect play-ability?"Edited by CGPsaint on September 28, 2015 2:43PM1 -
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✭✭9-10: I don't care. I will buy itThe only thing that head has in common with a pumpkin is it's orange. More like squash honestly.I AM UPDATING MY PRIVACY POLICY
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Kuroinu✭✭✭✭✭6-8: Doesn't bother me.Farengar's got a few words for the clueless that think things like this will break Lore.
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Tannakaobi✭✭✭✭✭3-5: Breaks immersion, but...Does this mean we will get Santa hats? It's a slippery slope... Next it will be presents for xmas at 400 crowns for each one with a 0.04 chance to get the epic...
..... reindeer mount that can fly.0 -
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✭9-10: I don't care. I will buy it
It's not so much that the horses themselves are lore-breaking, it's the quantity in which you find them. There is one Shadowmere. However did Mehrunes Dagon get a whole herd of horses to turn into Nightmare Coursers? Why have dozens of Frost Mares escaped from Takubar? Daedric summoning is not supposed to be that prevalent.willymchilybily wrote: »
shadowmere is fine but other horses are lore breaking? one would assume mages imbuing animals and mounts with magicka and magical effects was a natural evolution.whats your position on armored mounts? fine because it was in oblivion but anything new is a no go? how are they meant to expand the depth of the lore without bringing in new elements? or what about non horse based mounts?
It is not "demonic" the Demonra is a race -- have rules of society and social order, aka Clans, They have crafters and stores. There is no lore books in any single TES games ( they are more canon then ESO is) talking about such a critter as shown in the picture and there is no mention of a "Holloween" events in TES lore books. They have other traditions instead and why they are not in game? Dunmer, Nord, Khajiit, Argonian, Altmer, Bosmer, Orc, Breton, Red Graud, Imperail, etc Where are the lore books that tell about normal races traditions? and why they are not shown in game? Why can't ZOS add that into BEFORE adding silly looking monsters to the game?
It is based to much on RL history. NPC like the pic is one aspect, may be, but for player chars -- that just ruin the game. It has no logic of why some many "normal" people will be turned into a monster. This is the same trap that RIFT fall into -- stupid mounts with no logic behind them, do not follow their own history or traditions. I walked away my maxed out char on RIFT and I do the same to ESO if ZOS starts adding items like this to game. I hate the fire, ice and lighting horse mounts. Where is the lore behind that? Show me the book in game that explains why there are so many on Nirn and why people are riding them? These are the same questions I have for the critter in the pic shown here.
See now most of that would be plausible. Red and green clothes in mellow (read - not brash) shades already exist, so there's no reason there can't be more of them. Bosmer riding deer/elk through the forests of Valenwood could be logical; it may already have happened in lore, but I'm not sure if it has. It is established in lore that people give each other presents for Saturalia, so that would be fine too.AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »
As long as it is red and green and there are reindeer elf mounts and presents I don't care what it is called!
By Azura I hope there's no Christmas stuff... Give us some New Life Festival stuff though and I'll be happy.AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »It looks awesome! I can't wait to see the Christmas stuff!
I don't think it's possible to infuse things with magic like that. But if it was, it would be a rare occurrence; you wouldn't see them all over the place.As for the horses, is it not perfectly reasonable that Mages would infuse steeds with magic?
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SahrotRein✭✭✭✭1-2: These ugly things have no place in ESO. If I see this I will...briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »
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briandivisionb16_ESO✭✭✭✭1-2: These ugly things have no place in ESO. If I see this I will...How about an option for, "How is adding items to the Crown Store even remotely more important than fixing bugs that effect play-ability?"
Lets get the graphic designers to stop what they're doing and work on the code.
Lets also stop revenue for Zenimax so they can't pay the programmers.
See where I'm going with this? I see what you're saying, maybe they should sack the graphics team and employ more coders but I don't think that's a viable business strategy.If your group is bigger than 6 members gain 75% damage reduction.
Write this on the back of your box and see how many sales you get!
You won't get any new PvP players until this archaic AoE crap is fixed.
I for one won't resub until:
1.) You fix lag.
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✭✭✭✭✭1-2: These ugly things have no place in ESO. If I see this I will...
These are not just "pumpkins". TES is not really heavy into "demonic type creatures" of the jack 'o spriggan nature. If you are a huge lore lover, you know that the "sort of Halloween" holiday is more focused on necromancy and possession.
I say this as an avid RP'er as well as lore fan. This is not your lore. It is the lore of Bethesda and Zenimax to do with as they see fit. Do we have to like it? No, of course not. But ultimately, only THEY can say what is lore appropriate.
This is a null argument because as soon as you admit they can only change things "as they see fit" it must also be admitted that they are heavily constrained in what they "see fit" to do. ZOS, BGS, and even ZeniMax Media, do not have carte blanc with respect to lore. They can damage their lore, even if it is canon. Strong, cohesive, lore is what makes the TES series, and they are not ignorant of this.
Ultimately, while they can do "as they see fit" with the Lore, people have to be willing to pay for it. If ZOS dilutes the TES lore with the Holidays that people demand of them, are they ultimately damaging the profitability of the TES single player games (TES VI)? While they might be able to get the cash shop MMO crowd to throw money at them in the short term, is it going to fly in the long term? Does BGS just ignore the changes introduced by ZOS and hope no one holds what ZOS does against them or do they accept it and build it into their game? As an example, do they hang Christmas lights and set Menorahs all over TES VI because ZOS introduces Christmas and Hanukkah themed house decorations?
ZeniMax gets to choose how they extend their lore. That is their right. I get to choose whether I want to spend money on it, if I think they turn it into a pop culture abomination.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭6-8: Doesn't bother me.lordrichter wrote: »
These are not just "pumpkins". TES is not really heavy into "demonic type creatures" of the jack 'o spriggan nature. If you are a huge lore lover, you know that the "sort of Halloween" holiday is more focused on necromancy and possession.
I say this as an avid RP'er as well as lore fan. This is not your lore. It is the lore of Bethesda and Zenimax to do with as they see fit. Do we have to like it? No, of course not. But ultimately, only THEY can say what is lore appropriate.
This is a null argument because as soon as you admit they can only change things "as they see fit" it must also be admitted that they are heavily constrained in what they "see fit" to do. ZOS, BGS, and even ZeniMax Media, do not have carte blanc with respect to lore. They can damage their lore, even if it is canon. Strong, cohesive, lore is what makes the TES series, and they are not ignorant of this.
Ultimately, while they can do "as they see fit" with the Lore, people have to be willing to pay for it. If ZOS dilutes the TES lore with the Holidays that people demand of them, are they ultimately damaging the profitability of the TES single player games (TES VI)? While they might be able to get the cash shop MMO crowd to throw money at them in the short term, is it going to fly in the long term? Does BGS just ignore the changes introduced by ZOS and hope no one holds what ZOS does against them or do they accept it and build it into their game? As an example, do they hang Christmas lights and set Menorahs all over TES VI because ZOS introduces Christmas and Hanukkah themed house decorations?
ZeniMax gets to choose how they extend their lore. That is their right. I get to choose whether I want to spend money on it, if I think they turn it into a pop culture abomination.
Whilst I am aware and agree with you that the Witches Festival is more about Necromancy and possession (any of the good lorebooks on the Imperial Library etc tell you this, as I am sure you are aware) it is, of course, Bethesda and only Bethesda's right, or indeed Todd Howard's right to tell them no. And they won't as cosmetic fluff props up the money in any B2P MMO. Zenimax knows this, and will milk this cash cow of fluff cosmetics, because ultimately people will buy them. Will I? Heck no. Silly costumes hold no gravitas for me.
It has also been well documented about how MMO's take the lore and be very loose with it. Go and look at the lore of Warcraft as a whole, then look at the mess World of Warcraft introduced later on. Again, I ask is it right? No. Likely not. But I am not stressing over it. Know why? Because I do like this game - however this game in the series is set hundreds of years before any of the other Elder Scrolls titles, and therefore will have no bearing on future titles save for maybe a couple of lorebooks mentioning the Soulburst and the Planemeld, if that. This is like looking into the dark ages from where we are now, history wise.
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Spottswoode✭✭✭✭✭1-2: These ugly things have no place in ESO. If I see this I will...If things like this become a regular, I may crawl up into Fallout 4 and never come back. Sorry, no pop culture for me in ES.Edited by Spottswoode on September 28, 2015 5:01PMProud Player of The Elder Bank Screen Online.
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FuriousFridge✭✭✭briandivisionb16_ESO wrote: »My friend says when he sees these he will quit for sure. Hates them.
He says it is like we are being boiled alive and feels like ZOS are slowly getting us used to more exotic and bizarre flare.
Just wondering your thoughts... Myself I don't particularly mind but I voted 1-2 because my friend doesn't use the forums
HAHAHA That is gold bye bye to your friend over a pumpkin costume, him quitting isn't going to stop any stuff like this from coming.0 -
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✭✭9-10: I don't care. I will buy itNateAssassin wrote: »It would look great with my spooky scary skeleton costume
This.Your immersion is breaking my entitlement. Buff Sorc's. Darkshroud the cremator Death by furRubeus BlackFluffy knight BladesThe Fat PantherPsijic Fungal SausageFlesheater the VileCaspian Rafferty FernsbyArchfiend Warlock PiersThe Black BishopEvil Wizard Lizard (EU)Neberra Vestige Fajeon (EU)Salanis Deathstick (EU)Blood Mage Alchemist (EU)0 -
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✭✭9-10: I don't care. I will buy it
By Azura I hope there's no Christmas stuff... Give us some New Life Festival stuff though and I'll be happy.AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »It looks awesome! I can't wait to see the Christmas stuff!
Aww damn. Wanted my characters running around with a santa hat, like they can in gw2.Your immersion is breaking my entitlement. Buff Sorc's. Darkshroud the cremator Death by furRubeus BlackFluffy knight BladesThe Fat PantherPsijic Fungal SausageFlesheater the VileCaspian Rafferty FernsbyArchfiend Warlock PiersThe Black BishopEvil Wizard Lizard (EU)Neberra Vestige Fajeon (EU)Salanis Deathstick (EU)Blood Mage Alchemist (EU)0 -
FuriousFridge✭✭✭I love ESO and TES because of LORE! This is breaking LORE outright.
Who cares this is an MMO and people want this stuff. No matter what you lore buffs or immersionists don't want in game the majority over rules that. because you are the small majority of the game. Get over it these thing will come because they bring money and people like them. If you want to be immersed in the game without pumpkins go run into a forest with your deer friends in Tamriel.Edited by FuriousFridge on October 5, 2015 3:10AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Riko_Futatabi wrote: »Farengar's got a few words for the clueless that think things like this will break Lore.
"Ah, no mere brute mercenary, but a thinker - perhaps even a scholar? You see, when the stories of dragons began to circulate, many dismissed them as mere fantasies, rumors. Impossibilities. One sure mark of a fool is to dismiss anything that falls outside his experience as being impossible. But I began to search for information about dragons - where had they gone all those years ago? And where were they coming from?"
Farengar has spoken, please be on your merry way.
Unfortunately, Farengar happens to be a Nord. And since I sided with with the Imperials in the Civil War, his point is now moot.
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But seriously, this poll needs a "meh" option. Maybe I'm the only one, but I'm glad it's going to be the crown store.
Also, the numbers in the poll are misleading."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."0 -
1-2: These ugly things have no place in ESO. If I see this I will...Why not just give us a white sheet with eyeholes.1 -
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✭✭✭✭6-8: Doesn't bother me.Best costume to date IMO. @ZOS needs to add in costumes for the holidays that go away after the holiday.....So you have it for two weeks possibly the entire month of the holiday and then it's gone till next year. That would add the holiday flair people would like to see and things wouldn't get out of hand with someone always wearing a Leprechaun outfit....
Either that or add in ESO themed holiday costumes(temporarily). I'm not a lore fanatic but there has to be some holidays these poor people in Tamriel celebrated.....
@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_jessicaFolsom, Thoughts?
So you think you have the right to tell others that what they paid for, they shouldnt have access to except when you feel they should?
I dont see you demanding that other polymorphs like the Skeleton be removed except in certain situations..But seeing as how you responded here. Who knows.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax0 -
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✭1-2: These ugly things have no place in ESO. If I see this I will...I hate them, but its what this genre does. I just hate when I see some Jester running somewhere already. You're in the sewers, hiding and sneaking, waiting for that right moment to gank someone, and baam, there is it! Now we just wait for bikinis, and picnic stuff and of course rainbow colored umbrellas. What I find most bizarre in this is, when you tell to add CP-boosters to sell like 400% or 600% what could sell like hotcakes, no they dont want to add them but instead of they love to add these. I suppose they are preparing us for some massive hello kitty online.Edited by Sausage on October 5, 2015 4:07AM0 -
Aelthwyn✭✭✭✭1-2: These ugly things have no place in ESO. If I see this I will...Please no. If they want to sell creepy stuff around halloween there's plenty of creepy stuff in the game already to choose from - flesh atronach polymorph anyone? (not that I particularly want to be cooped up in the Shornhelm bank with a bunch of those either...but hey for someone's RP it might be perfect). To me the creepy pumpkin head is just way too pop-culture-cliché for my taste, especially when there's so many more fitting things they could choose from anyway.
Personally I think no casual player would actually get angry (or even stop to think about it) if they hadn't come out with a pumpkinhead thing to tie in with Halloween. Whereas someone who is really into the world of Tamriel (probably a more committed player) is more likely to find clear outside-culture incursions distasteful. So... there's nothing to loose by not having it, and at least something small to loose (some players respect) by doing this kind of thing. As I said in another thread, I understand the 'it's a real world business' argument on this topic, but I think they can easily 'cash in' on people's seasonal interest in creepyness without trying to adapt things that weren't already here.
Part of the point of playing fantasy games like this, at least for a fair number of players, is the departure from the every-day life around us and 'experiencing' a different time/place/culture/environment, thus the more we're reminded of 'the real world' the less of an interesting escape from the real world the game becomes. For this reason, I'd much prefer actual in game special events that don't necessarily correlate to real world holidays, I can get all the jack-o-laterns I want in real life right now, I don't need them to show up in Tamriel. There's a difference between generic things with a unique take on them - like zombies, eso has it's own brand of zombies, and that works. Somehow.... I don't see walking pumpkin-headed creatures as being a classic/generic enough idea to justify different versions of them popping up in other worlds without it really just being a reference to real life popular culture. That's where I draw the line, personally, with what I think 'works' and what feels out of place.Edited by Aelthwyn on October 5, 2015 5:52AM1 -
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It is not "demonic" the Demonra is a race -- have rules of society and social order, aka Clans, They have crafters and stores. There is no lore books in any single TES games ( they are more canon then ESO is) talking about such a critter as shown in the picture and there is no mention of a "Holloween" events in TES lore books. They have other traditions instead and why they are not in game? Dunmer, Nord, Khajiit, Argonian, Altmer, Bosmer, Orc, Breton, Red Graud, Imperail, etc Where are the lore books that tell about normal races traditions? and why they are not shown in game? Why can't ZOS add that into BEFORE adding silly looking monsters to the game?
It is based to much on RL history. NPC like the pic is one aspect, may be, but for player chars -- that just ruin the game. It has no logic of why some many "normal" people will be turned into a monster. This is the same trap that RIFT fall into -- stupid mounts with no logic behind them, do not follow their own history or traditions. I walked away my maxed out char on RIFT and I do the same to ESO if ZOS starts adding items like this to game. I hate the fire, ice and lighting horse mounts. Where is the lore behind that? Show me the book in game that explains why there are so many on Nirn and why people are riding them? These are the same questions I have for the critter in the pic shown here.
You know, there is a difference between the Daedra/Remora, and the Undead, right? To balk against these costumes, would be like complaining about the skeleton costume. It either represents an animated scarecrow w/ pumpkin head, a zombie/skeleton w/ pumpkin head, or a spirit that has chosen that form for some reason.
Edit: could also be a pumpkin spriggan that was twisted through dark magics??Edited by Avalon on October 5, 2015 5:25AM0 -
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