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What happend to MMO netiquette?
When I was starting to play MMORPGs I was told one of the worst things to do is steal someone's kill... I was on the American server and nobody respected that unspoken rule... I was in the midst of battle and before the last strike- someone comes along and kills my enemy... I understand if people are in trouble but I have full heath sometimes and they still steal my kills.
I have since moved on to the European server... I don't know if it's better but it has less people when I play so less kill steals.
So my question is... is "no stealing other players kills" no longer a thing?
I have since moved on to the European server... I don't know if it's better but it has less people when I play so less kill steals.
So my question is... is "no stealing other players kills" no longer a thing?
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UrQuan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There's no such thing as stealing a kill in ESO. If you did damage (or healed someone in the fight) you get XP and loot. So no, the whole "no stealing other players kills" is not a thing in ESO, because the game mechanics make it irrelevant. The worst that can happen if there are too many players in the area is that your XP per mob will be reduced, but kill stealing does nothing.
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Farorin✭✭✭✭✭There's no such thing as stealing a kill in ESO. If you did damage (or healed someone in the fight) you get XP and loot. So no, the whole "no stealing other players kills" is not a thing in ESO, because the game mechanics make it irrelevant. The worst that can happen if there are too many players in the area is that your XP per mob will be reduced, but kill stealing does nothing.
Pretty much this.
Kill stealing is not really a problem in ESO, the only exception is in imperial city where the last hit does count for a lot, but that is intended and is part of the fun. It's nice to have an area that feels a little bit "gritty" and somewhat lawless in a game that is otherwise far to easy, and far to kind to it's players. -
Paazhahdrimaak✭✭✭✭It sucks no one thinks of others anymore. Like those guys who leave the bait in the alchemy nodes or clothing nodes. TAKE THE BUGS! SO THEY CAN RESPOND. Haha thanks
Everyone is just in it for them selves. I believe I'm a team player even on ESO , for example I'm going after this void bloom, I accidentally pulled a couple scorpions towards me, mid fight some one comes and grabs what I'm going for. Later I see the same guy do the same thing mid fight with scorpions.. I help him kill those bugs and I let him get his node. -
Titansteele✭✭✭✭✭Netiquette is not dead but like the gentleman it is a breed in decline. As people have correctly mentioned you can not kill steal the same as you could in other games so that one is not relevant.
I see Netiquette in this game as helping the person who is struggling to kill the mobs around a resource node in Craglorn and not being that floppy donkey #### who then proceeds to steal the node.Guild Leader of The Twelve Knights, AD PVE, PVP and Trading Guild on the EU Mega Server
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Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Paazhahdrimaak wrote: »It sucks no one thinks of others anymore. Like those guys who leave the bait in the alchemy nodes or clothing nodes. TAKE THE BUGS! SO THEY CAN RESPOND. Haha thanks
Everyone is just in it for them selves. I believe I'm a team player even on ESO , for example I'm going after this void bloom, I accidentally pulled a couple scorpions towards me, mid fight some one comes and grabs what I'm going for. Later I see the same guy do the same thing mid fight with scorpions.. I help him kill those bugs and I let him get his node.
One of my favorite things to do as a sorc was kite ahead of another nirnhoned farmer using bolt escape. I would ninja the node before he could get to it. If he sent me a rage tell, I would casually link a nirncrux i had already farmed and say "thanks bro!"
This is not a gentleman's game. Netiquette is as dead as geocitites. All hail Sithis!Edited by Yolokin_Swagonborn on September 24, 2015 4:49AM -
Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭What happened you ask?
All of the COD kiddies grew up and graduated to MMO'sAnything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington -
Belidos✭✭✭✭✭I remember those days, back when I start playing MMO's there was an unwritten agreement over this, mainly because back then loot was based off of who actually got credit for the death blow, it still happens in some games, but one thing I have noticed in MMO's over time the playerbase of games have become less respectful and more self entitled, much like real life, it's just a sign of the times, the last couple of generations have entered the world with almost no respect for others, no common sense and no sense of community.
As to whether it should be applied in ESO, generally (apart from IC because of the stupid loot rules they've sandwiched in there) it doesn't matter, looting here is not based on death blows or amount of damage done, it's simply if you get a single point of damage on something then you have a chance to get loot, makes things lot simpler and means we don't have to worry about kill stealers.Paazhahdrimaak wrote: »It sucks no one thinks of others anymore. Like those guys who leave the bait in the alchemy nodes or clothing nodes. TAKE THE BUGS! SO THEY CAN RESPOND. Haha thanks
I used to get angry with this, but then I tested it out, the respawn timer starts the moment the "container" for the node opens, if you don't loot the bugs it will still despawn and respawn in the same amount of time as when you loot everything.Edited by Belidos on September 24, 2015 7:31AM -
hrothbern✭✭✭✭✭
✭There's no such thing as stealing a kill in ESO. If you did damage (or healed someone in the fight) you get XP and loot. So no, the whole "no stealing other players kills" is not a thing in ESO, because the game mechanics make it irrelevant. The worst that can happen if there are too many players in the area is that your XP per mob will be reduced, but kill stealing does nothing.
Pretty much this.
Kill stealing is not really a problem in ESO, the only exception is in imperial city where the last hit does count for a lot, but that is intended and is part of the fun. It's nice to have an area that feels a little bit "gritty" and somewhat lawless in a game that is otherwise far to easy, and far to kind to it's players.
"the only exception is in imperial city where the last hit does count for a lot"
@Farorin,
In what sense, and to what benefit does the last hit count for a lot?
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Now my home village is in shambles, the houses burning, the invaders feasting.
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PinoZino✭✭✭✭Maybe you cannot steal another his loot, but you have to share it, no? If the other party didn't hit the mob, your loot would be larger.
MMO netiquette is in general rather low in the world of ESO. But I assume it's the same in other MMO games present times.
Few days ago, I saw somebody who was watching me, I was farming a bit. Suddenly some mob hit the surface, I had to kill it.
Turned my back and the player farmed my nice wood.
And this happened earlier too.
What I hate as well: you're fighting some mob, it's clear you have no problem with it at all and suddenly some white knight appears and think he has to rescue you from the mob and kill it. I really hate that.Founder of Tradelodge, a trade guild operating on the European Megaserver for Playstation®4.
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Belidos✭✭✭✭✭Maybe you cannot steal another his loot, but you have to share it, no? If the other party didn't hit the mob, your loot would be larger.
No not at all, you get exactly the same chance for the exactly same amount of loot whether you hit once or a hundred times, or whether there's one or one hundred people hitting it, there is no loot sharing in the game.
The only exception is in IC where the loot rules are only the 12 highest damage/heal players fighting the mob get loot.
However node stealing is a completely different thing, that is annoying.Edited by Belidos on September 24, 2015 7:40AM -
This is disheartening, I understand stealing other's kill is not a thing anymore its just annoying, when you are about to strike the final blow and some one else does it... but anyway it seems most people (not the ones who answered with respect and insight) are thoughtless pri(ks who only like p:ssing people off in games.
it is sad when respect is out of style... -
PinoZino✭✭✭✭Maybe you cannot steal another his loot, but you have to share it, no? If the other party didn't hit the mob, your loot would be larger.
No not at all, you get exactly the same chance for the exactly same amount of loot whether you hit once or a hundred times, or whether there's one or one hundred people hitting it, there is no loot sharing in the game.
The only exception is in IC where the loot rules are only the 12 highest damage/heal players fighting the mob get loot.
However node stealing is a completely different thing, that is annoying.
Ok, thank you.
Still, it feels dirty. lolFounder of Tradelodge, a trade guild operating on the European Megaserver for Playstation®4.
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Belidos✭✭✭✭✭Maybe you cannot steal another his loot, but you have to share it, no? If the other party didn't hit the mob, your loot would be larger.
No not at all, you get exactly the same chance for the exactly same amount of loot whether you hit once or a hundred times, or whether there's one or one hundred people hitting it, there is no loot sharing in the game.
The only exception is in IC where the loot rules are only the 12 highest damage/heal players fighting the mob get loot.Maybe you cannot steal another his loot, but you have to share it, no? If the other party didn't hit the mob, your loot would be larger.
No not at all, you get exactly the same chance for the exactly same amount of loot whether you hit once or a hundred times, or whether there's one or one hundred people hitting it, there is no loot sharing in the game.
The only exception is in IC where the loot rules are only the 12 highest damage/heal players fighting the mob get loot.
However node stealing is a completely different thing, that is annoying.
Ok, thank you.
Still, it feels dirty. lol
Oh yes it does feel dirty, I constantly get frustrated with people leeching my kills, but not as much as it used to in other games where it was a toss up between who would get the loot, those were truly dark times, but on the other hand they were truly great times too because back then people respected others a lot more than they do now. -
PinoZino✭✭✭✭
Oh yes it does feel dirty, I constantly get frustrated with people leeching my kills, but not as much as it used to in other games where it was a toss up between who would get the loot, those were truly dark times, but on the other hand they were truly great times too because back then people respected others a lot more than they do now.
In the past everything was better, including the future
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This is disheartening, I understand stealing other's kill is not a thing anymore its just annoying, when you are about to strike the final blow and some one else does it... but anyway it seems most people (not the ones who answered with respect and insight) are thoughtless pri(ks who only like p:ssing people off in games.
it is sad when respect is out of style...
Don't sweat about it, it's just a game meant to entertain the masses. Try not to let yourself down with kids, the majority of ESO gamers are the nicest bunch of people I've met.
Just don't overthink and compare ESO to older MMO's. Been there, done that mate. -
Blood_Oracle wrote: »This is disheartening, I understand stealing other's kill is not a thing anymore its just annoying, when you are about to strike the final blow and some one else does it... but anyway it seems most people (not the ones who answered with respect and insight) are thoughtless pri(ks who only like p:ssing people off in games.
it is sad when respect is out of style...
Don't sweat about it, it's just a game meant to entertain the masses. Try not to let yourself down with kids, the majority of ESO gamers are the nicest bunch of people I've met.
Just don't overthink and compare ESO to older MMO's. Been there, done that mate.
Thanks for the words... just lamenting the loss of respect. I know the majority of people are not like that and I doubt the bad ones are all kids (childish thinkers, maybe) give respect to the good kids out there.
anyway I'm over it. the European servers are awesome (mainly cause most people are sleep when I'm on lol) but it is better then the American server by far.
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Belidos✭✭✭✭✭Blood_Oracle wrote: »
Just don't overthink and compare ESO to older MMO's. Been there, done that mate.
Couldn't agree more with this. My biggest mistake was playing this game in the beta and hating it because I was comparing it with other MMO's, I truly hated the combat method being used to auto attacking, style bashing mmo's and just couldn't get on with hitting the mouse button and having to use the keyboard to move, I also hated that in game windows like the character sheet and inventory weren't pop up windows and took over the screen, I still bought it because I had already pre-ordered on the knowledge it was ES, but I didn't play more than the 30 days I got with it and dropped it. I came back a few months ago and gave it a good chance and eventually got used to it to the point where i'm loving the game.
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Farorin✭✭✭✭✭There's no such thing as stealing a kill in ESO. If you did damage (or healed someone in the fight) you get XP and loot. So no, the whole "no stealing other players kills" is not a thing in ESO, because the game mechanics make it irrelevant. The worst that can happen if there are too many players in the area is that your XP per mob will be reduced, but kill stealing does nothing.
Pretty much this.
Kill stealing is not really a problem in ESO, the only exception is in imperial city where the last hit does count for a lot, but that is intended and is part of the fun. It's nice to have an area that feels a little bit "gritty" and somewhat lawless in a game that is otherwise far to easy, and far to kind to it's players.
"the only exception is in imperial city where the last hit does count for a lot"
@Farorin,
In what sense, and to what benefit does the last hit count for a lot?
The last hit only counts insofar as killing another player is concerned, and even then, not so much. If you and a group of players kill another player, all of you will get stones regardless of who got the last hit if you have all done reasonable damage, BUT if an NPC kills that player, you may not get credit for that kill, thus not getting any tel var stones.
I have had NPCs kill steal off of me :P and I have also thanked the divines at times when it was an NPC that dealt the final blow instead of a player character, as you lose a lot LESS stones from dying to an NPC than from dying to a player character. -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Paazhahdrimaak wrote: »It sucks no one thinks of others anymore. Like those guys who leave the bait in the alchemy nodes or clothing nodes. TAKE THE BUGS! SO THEY CAN RESPOND. Haha thanks
Everyone is just in it for them selves. I believe I'm a team player even on ESO , for example I'm going after this void bloom, I accidentally pulled a couple scorpions towards me, mid fight some one comes and grabs what I'm going for. Later I see the same guy do the same thing mid fight with scorpions.. I help him kill those bugs and I let him get his node.
One of my favorite things to do as a sorc was kite ahead of another nirnhoned farmer using bolt escape. I would ninja the node before he could get to it. If he sent me a rage tell, I would casually link a nirncrux i had already farmed and say "thanks bro!"
This is not a gentleman's game. Netiquette is as dead as geocitites. All hail Sithis!
Probably for the best you don't like this game then. Griefers get their come-uppin's anyway. All hail karma!Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭✭KhajitFurTrader wrote: »
Almost, but I do remember a few interested articles on the subject being bandied about even after I went to uni in '98.
Of course it would be nice to see some manners about the place, even if they do seem to be beyond certain posters in this thread. -
hrothbern✭✭✭✭✭
✭There's no such thing as stealing a kill in ESO. If you did damage (or healed someone in the fight) you get XP and loot. So no, the whole "no stealing other players kills" is not a thing in ESO, because the game mechanics make it irrelevant. The worst that can happen if there are too many players in the area is that your XP per mob will be reduced, but kill stealing does nothing.
Pretty much this.
Kill stealing is not really a problem in ESO, the only exception is in imperial city where the last hit does count for a lot, but that is intended and is part of the fun. It's nice to have an area that feels a little bit "gritty" and somewhat lawless in a game that is otherwise far to easy, and far to kind to it's players.
"the only exception is in imperial city where the last hit does count for a lot"
@Farorin,
In what sense, and to what benefit does the last hit count for a lot?
The last hit only counts insofar as killing another player is concerned, and even then, not so much. If you and a group of players kill another player, all of you will get stones regardless of who got the last hit if you have all done reasonable damage, BUT if an NPC kills that player, you may not get credit for that kill, thus not getting any tel var stones.
I have had NPCs kill steal off of me :P and I have also thanked the divines at times when it was an NPC that dealt the final blow instead of a player character, as you lose a lot LESS stones from dying to an NPC than from dying to a player character.
ok
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Now my home village is in shambles, the houses burning, the invaders feasting.
I swear every day to Shor that after Molag Bal has been defeated, I will hunt down the invaders and restore peace in Bleakrock and drink my mead with my friends at the market place". -
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✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »...trollolol...
Probably for the best you don't like this game then. Griefers get their come-uppin's anyway. All hail karma!
You do know that with replying you are actually feeding that troll, right? It's the entire reason why people like that do those things.. attention.
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DaveTheMinion✭✭✭The only issue I have with people stealing kills etc is when you see a chest but it's being guarded by a troll, you take on the troll only to see some random creeping in behind you and the troll to nick the contents of the chest.
Then the quest areas where you have to kill some zombies, but there are huge groups there gathering them all up for a mass brawl, I know I will let them kill this group and I will kill what's left! you then get a message telling you to go farm somewhere else as they were here first???? etiquette goes out the window and I am going to get my kills even if you think they are yours, I need to do the mission, not grind it like you!!!
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✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »...trollolol...
Probably for the best you don't like this game then. Griefers get their come-uppin's anyway. All hail karma!
You do know that with replying you are actually feeding that troll, right? It's the entire reason why people like that do those things.. attention.
Not all troll food is healthy for them though Professional troll slayer 4 lief Edited by UltimaJoe777 on September 24, 2015 10:48AMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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