Black figures when loading is on purpouse?

Asherons_Call

UrQuan wrote: »

winterbornb14_ESO wrote: »

Everyone knows about the black placeholders for characters as you load into the game after the patch. This is a bug from the patch obviously right, or was it?

I was told in game chat that they did this on purpose as a design feature to reduce being attacked in PvP by a unloaded character that is still invisible?

If this is true........ WTF!

It totally kills the visual immersion of the game for your core customer base (PvE) as a cheap way to prevent a issue in PvP that you can not correct properly. This can not be your permanent solution, no one is that well............you know.

Please fix your poor excuse for a PvP solution ASAP.

Seriously? That's what bothers you? There are lots of things in the game that should be changed or fixed. I guarantee for 90%+ of the people playing this is a total non-issue. Why would you care if for a very short time after you load you see silhouettes before the textures load? How is it any more immersion-breaking than not being able to see the characters who are there until they suddenly appear?

Yep. Non issue

Kronuxx

Rub some dirt on your wounds and grow some thick skin. What a baby...

rb2001

Divinius wrote: »

rb2001 wrote: »

I've played 100s of top graphics games, and many online games. None has done this.

Starting with lower res textures at immediate load, and then pop in the large textures is what is usually done.

I don't really think this is acceptable in a top tier game like ESO.

Which would help, if the delay was in the client's ability to load the textures...

But it's not. As I said earlier (regardless of whether people believe it or not), the vast majority of the delay is in the server being able to send the data to the client about what textures to display.

cjthibs wrote: »

Sure, which isn't the case.
If the server was too busy to respond, it would be more random as to who is affected.
I always hear the same folks talking about it.

Then the people complaining are the ones with slower internet connections, not the ones with worse hardware.

Between my wife and I, we play this game on 3 different systems, of various speeds. My main gaming PC is a monster, with the game loaded on an SSD. I have virtually no client-side load times. I still get the black silhouettes, on ALL the systems, for about the same amount of time, especially when my internet is being slow.

I also notice it more during peak game times, so ESO server latency is also a primary cause. Regardless, it's all in how long it takes the server to tell your client which textures to load. To repeat what I said before, unless your hardware is very slow, virtually all of the delay is in the data transfer between server and client. Your system is a negligible portion of it.

{edited to fix some horrifying grammar}

Fair point, but this never happened prior to the patch.

The client could actually assume textures to load, instead of displaying blank male bodies. Right now it is simply doing that.

Or it could simply not show the character model there until it has that information (which is what it used to do). Character model pop in is better than black male shadow men that then pop into characters.

You can watch a black male shadow man pop into a Breton Female. That's just a crazy thing to have in this game.

It used to simply take longer to pop in character models. Way better.

Eirella

Is it really that big of a deal, I barely even notice the black silhouettes anymore...

Sallington wrote: »

NOOOOO!!!!! MY IMURSHINNNNSSSSS!!!!!!!

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thelordoffelines

Your immersion isnt thr most important thing in the game.

rb2001

thelordoffelines wrote: »

Your immersion isnt thr most important thing in the game.

What is the most important thing in the game, to you?

It will differ to each person, for sure, but the game is clearly intended to be immersive, with its high end ish graphics and lack of UI clutter.

Immersion was clearly high on the developers' priority list, as well as being very much a solid marketing point of the product.

This is honestly not the kind of thing to quit the game over, but it is a non-trivial distraction and a step backward in the product.

It looks like some effect you would see in a pre-release version, not a final live version of a top tier game like ESO is, and I thought we were just getting past that feeling with ESO, no?

SnakeBytes_77

I find the random game crashes far more annoying than the "shadow people" on load. The graphics rendering or whatever it is happening is still shorter lived than having to log back in from the start screen because the crash booted me.

tordr86b16_ESO

35/35 fiber line, this issue has only shown itself with the new update. unacceptable @ZOS.

Asmael

Whether or not this was intended for PvP or not, I did have the great satisfaction of getting beaten by invisible people.

Well, now this won't happen anymore... And I'm not one to complain...

UrQuan

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

35/35 fiber line, this issue has only shown itself with the new update. unacceptable @ZOS.

Yeah, an intentional change made for the new update, which is mentioned in the patch notes, has only shown itself with the new update. Unacceptable.

_adhyffbjjjf12

UrQuan wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

35/35 fiber line, this issue has only shown itself with the new update. unacceptable @ZOS.

Yeah, an intentional change made for the new update, which is mentioned in the patch notes, has only shown itself with the new update. Unacceptable.

UrQuan wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

35/35 fiber line, this issue has only shown itself with the new update. unacceptable @ZOS.

Yeah, an intentional change made for the new update, which is mentioned in the patch notes, has only shown itself with the new update. Unacceptable.

its a common approach., GW2 does a similar thing. you are entering a new zone, lots of player, finite bandwidth. Option 1, invisible people, Option 2 massive lag, Option 3 black placeholders while the textures etc are loaded.

F7sus4

Nestor

The only thing that bothers me is I see anyone who is using a costume put it on. And, those who put on a costume that makes your character scream or cry out, I hear that too.

Otherwise, its the falling through the ground on most logins and landing somewhere else that are getting irksome.

UrQuan

_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

35/35 fiber line, this issue has only shown itself with the new update. unacceptable @ZOS.

Yeah, an intentional change made for the new update, which is mentioned in the patch notes, has only shown itself with the new update. Unacceptable.

UrQuan wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

35/35 fiber line, this issue has only shown itself with the new update. unacceptable @ZOS.

Yeah, an intentional change made for the new update, which is mentioned in the patch notes, has only shown itself with the new update. Unacceptable.

its a common approach., GW2 does a similar thing. you are entering a new zone, lots of player, finite bandwidth. Option 1, invisible people, Option 2 massive lag, Option 3 black placeholders while the textures etc are loaded.

Um, I was being sarcastic...

AbraXuSeXile

I think its racist stereotyping that they are black and i load in and im being ganked

Chanman23

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Elder Scrolls Online - Silhouettes unlimited

Who really cares, they are there like 5 seconds.

I agree. But what is annoying is that you also cant interact with NPC's until they load... For me its mostly the banker when I am switching to my crafter. And he seems to take longer to load then it takes for the silhouettes to go away.

Merlight

Did you also notice those black figures sometimes have a 2H axe or a staff at their feet, and they slide when they start moving? I really prefer not seeing that at all... and no it's not 5 seconds for me; I teleport to a town, black figures around wayshrine take 15+ seconds to load (while I'm still invisible, and sometimes at ground level), then I run through the town and meet more black figures, some riding on beasts. So thank you @Riko_Futatabi for the tip.

tordr86b16_ESO

Reroll patch kkthnx @ZOS

Van_0S

Black figures, lags and kicked back to the loading screens are the main features of ESO.
When orsinium is released, we might get some error for free.

Agobi

Riko_Futatabi wrote: »

Go to UserSettings.txt and SET PlayerStandInsEnabled.2 "0" - The default is "1", setting to "0" should remove them.

There is also an option to SET PlayerStandInsMaxPerFrame "8" - I have left this at its default of "8" since I've disabled the "PlayerStandIns"(as shown above) so perhaps this value has no effect, but I'm not certain on this.

Where might I find these files you speak of?

Kuroinu

Agobi wrote: »

Riko_Futatabi wrote: »

Go to UserSettings.txt and SET PlayerStandInsEnabled.2 "0" - The default is "1", setting to "0" should remove them.

There is also an option to SET PlayerStandInsMaxPerFrame "8" - I have left this at its default of "8" since I've disabled the "PlayerStandIns"(as shown above) so perhaps this value has no effect, but I'm not certain on this.

Where might I find these files you speak of?

For me "UserSettings" is in Documents > Elder Scrolls Online > liveeu.

prototypefb

Game just shows true color of the soul of characters around you, briefly before 'masking' them using fancy armors and clothing.
Where do you think 'black soul gems' came from?

Cazic

Yes, this was an intended change. It's in the patch notes, OP.

The game takes time to load player textures, there will always be some delay regardless of how fast your computer and Internet connection are. ZOS opted to have those loading textures be represented visually by a black silhouette instead of being completely invisible.

It makes sense for PvP areas like Imperial city when there are often enemy players waiting for you on the other side of a door, or at the bottom of a sewer ladder. As for immersion... well, it's no less immersive than having players appearing out of thin air.

Digiman

winterbornb14_ESO wrote: »

Everyone knows about the black placeholders for characters as you load into the game after the patch. This is a bug from the patch obviously right, or was it?

I was told in game chat that they did this on purpose as a design feature to reduce being attacked in PvP by a unloaded character that is still invisible?

If this is true........ WTF!

It totally kills the visual immersion of the game for your core customer base (PvE) as a cheap way to prevent a issue in PvP that you can not correct properly. This can not be your permanent solution, no one is that well............you know.

Please fix your poor excuse for a PvP solution ASAP.

While I agree, it's also to reduce the huge loading times. IC is a tiny subsection of zones the size of a small town, so 80% of the time your in a loading screen.

newtinmpls

I'm just looking at this as another aspect of being a vestige... I see the souls around me when others do not.

jmgrant44ub17_ESO

The best part is that ZOS has nothing to say about this.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

IMMURZUNZ SAVED.


Your Welcome!

SirAndy

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Your Welcome!

Why does it have to be *my* welcome?

SnakeBytes_77

This ^^^^

Dreyloch

winterbornb14_ESO wrote: »

Everyone knows about the black placeholders for characters as you load into the game after the patch. This is a bug from the patch obviously right, or was it?

I was told in game chat that they did this on purpose as a design feature to reduce being attacked in PvP by a unloaded character that is still invisible?

If this is true........ WTF!

It totally kills the visual immersion of the game for your core customer base (PvE) as a cheap way to prevent a issue in PvP that you can not correct properly. This can not be your permanent solution, no one is that well............you know.

Please fix your poor excuse for a PvP solution ASAP.

Dude, if it bothers your immersion that much, go try LARP'ing. Seriously. it's a freakin video game. Not reality.