POST SCREEN SHOTS OF CAMO HUNTER WRECKING YOUR FACE

LazyLewis

This is happening on all my toons which are non vamps and vamps. Everyone's raging. I got hit for a 15k Camo hunter the other day. Sadly no screen shots! Will be adding more.

Poxheart

I didn't screen shot it, but the other day I got one shot by somebody (assume Nightblade) that had 2 hunter procs to go along with dual wield heavy attacks out of sneak. My damage recap was hunter, weapon proc, dual wield heavy attack, hunter, dual wield heavy attack all from the same opponent.

R0M2K

Rng

Mojmir

The price you pay for going vamp, i could never get that high dmg though

Saint_JiubB14_ESO

LazyLewis wrote: »

This is happening on all my toons which are non vamps and vamps. Everyone's raging. I got hit for a 15k Camo hunter the other day. Sadly no screen shots! Will be adding more.

I see that 2.5 second cooldown is working nicely...

Alcast

LazyLewis wrote: »

This is happening on all my toons which are non vamps and vamps. Everyone's raging. I got hit for a 15k Camo hunter the other day. Sadly no screen shots! Will be adding more.

You do realize they did NOT change the damage. You always get Camo normal damage AND sneak damage, that is why 2 dmg symbols come up there.

If an enemy runs a high dmg build setup then you still get hit in the face with a lot of dmg. Especially if he boosted it with 25% Thaumaturge. This guy prolly has *** of CP.

They only added a GCD of 2.5s so you cant get 15k x2 in 1second

revonine

This is why I'm seriously considering dropping vamp for when IC hits consoles. With daedra and undead mobs everywhere everyone's gonna be slotting those fighter guild skills. I'll give it a chance and see how I perform first though.

DisgracefulMind

My fellow nightblade pulls off feats like these all the time ;o

ToRelax

The stealth bonus should not hit non vamp/ww players and there shouldn't be a garuanteed normal proc either.

Amica

My vamp hunter build , Snipe, silver shards with camo hunter and rally. Will rip most vamps a new one (Not all Vamps). As there are some exceptional players in the game. But it's a win more that you will ever loose build.

xylena

expert hunter should NEVER proc on human players in pvp

Kobaal

happened to me twice the other day. Some people have learned the trick I think beause its the same combo on my screen. Poison Injection with Heavhy Attack and 3 camo hunter procs. All from the same person. From 25k health to dead in 1 second. Didnt even have time to flap my wings.

SirAndy

xylena wrote: »

expert hunter should NEVER proc on human players in pvp

Unless they are a vampire or werewolf.

How i miss those early Silver Bolts days ...

WalksAmongShadows

Poxheart wrote: »

I didn't screen shot it, but the other day I got one shot by somebody (assume Nightblade) that had 2 hunter procs to go along with dual wield heavy attacks out of sneak. My damage recap was hunter, weapon proc, dual wield heavy attack, hunter, dual wield heavy attack all from the same opponent.

Sure it's hilarious to oneshot things and players (vampires), but I think we should discuss this issue, it's kinda detrimental to the game

Apologies for the large image, but check the combat log on right and ftc recap for total dmg for properly executed stealth heavy attack (83,620dmg). No weapon proc occured, just rally + relentless focus + camo hunter on a marked target me wearing mostly vr15 shield breaker. Would probably go 90k+ with vr16 hundings. If by some miracle you don't you oneshot your target, you can always top it off with an execute, there is absolutely no time to react before you are dead, everything happens in less 1 second. Oh, and it would also stun you. It's not even that hard to pull off in a pvp situation.

EDIT: Oh and just in case it's not clear to someone, camouflaged hunter procs 100% like this when you do a stealth attack, but the issue is, there is no GCD for mainhand/offhand, I assume because it's instantaneous.

EDIT2: 4225 wpn dmg from stealth for reference. Khajiit master race.

Ffastyl

WalksAmongShadows wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

I didn't screen shot it, but the other day I got one shot by somebody (assume Nightblade) that had 2 hunter procs to go along with dual wield heavy attacks out of sneak. My damage recap was hunter, weapon proc, dual wield heavy attack, hunter, dual wield heavy attack all from the same opponent.

Sure it's hilarious to oneshot things and players (vampires), but I think we should discuss this issue, it's kinda detrimental to the game

Apologies for the large image, but check the combat log on right and ftc recap for total dmg for properly executed stealth heavy attack (83,620dmg). No weapon proc occured, just rally + relentless focus + camo hunter on a marked target me wearing mostly vr15 shield breaker. Would probably go 90k+ with vr16 hundings. If by some miracle you don't you oneshot your target, you can always top it off with an execute, there is absolutely no time to react before you are dead, everything happens in less 1 second. Oh, and it would also stun you. It's not even that hard to pull off in a pvp situation.

EDIT: Oh and just in case it's not clear to someone, camouflaged hunter procs 100% like this when you do a stealth attack, but the issue is, there is no GCD for mainhand/offhand, I assume because it's instantaneous.

EDIT2: 4225 wpn dmg from stealth for reference. Khajiit master race.

Also of note, your recap states your target as a Clannfear. NPCs take a higher stealth attack multiplier than players and do not receive Battle Spirit (-50% damage taken). Players can also have more armor than NPCs, and normally they do. NPC mitigation is roughly 10% while Player mitigation can reach 50%, for 75% reduction with Battle Spirit.

WalksAmongShadows

Ffastyl wrote: »

Also of note, your recap states your target as a Clannfear. NPCs take a higher stealth attack multiplier than players and do not receive Battle Spirit (-50% damage taken). Players can also have more armor than NPCs, and normally they do. NPC mitigation is roughly 10% while Player mitigation can reach 50%, for 75% reduction with Battle Spirit.

You are correct. It was easier to demonstrate this out on an NPC instead of a player because I didn't have time for pvp last night, just logged in to take a quick screenshot. In pvp it felt so blatantly overpowered I just felt sorry for my targets really, but I'm not the kind of guy who makes youtube montages with cheesy music out of imbalances in the game so you will have to try it out for yourself if you don't believe me I guess, or ask a friend if you don't main NB or whatever. I should point out I am wearing weapons that are shifted more towards the armor penetration side instead of pure damage, along with some champion points, which means this ~90k dmg I hypothesized with proper gear would go even higher on the NPC. Even taking 75% off that 90k you end up with 22,5k. That would still oneshot most of your targets, or at the very least put them in execution range. I am oneshotting players, or putting them so low 1 light attack is enough to finish them off, execute with killers blade is, well, overkill. You could also throw food buff instead of recovery buff I'm using to guarantee a oneshot kill even further. Because the fights in IC are much smaller scale than cyro, this becomes a real issue imo.

Do you think it's fine that using a rather balanced build I can guarantee myself an instant, uncounterable kill pretty much every time I get a stealth attack off on a vampire? Nobody keeps a shield up 100% time in this patch. I think that if this double camo proc from a dw stealth attack is a feature, it needs a change. If it's a bug, a simple fix is in order.

WalksAmongShadows

21,926 damage - from 100% to 0% oneshot



23,947 damage - from 100% to 0% oneshot, on a shielded target.

No piercing mark / armor debuff on targets. Zero buffs from cyrodiil. Build has ~65% crit chance and doesn't even use monster helm/shoulders, so could always go for even more damage with molag kena.

I have brought the issue to light, if nobody else thinks this needs fixing, I'll leave it at that.

EDIT: Also, I only have ~145 or so CP.

Yonkit

WalksAmongShadows wrote: »

21,926 damage - from 100% to 0% oneshot



23,947 damage - from 100% to 0% oneshot, on a shielded target.

No piercing mark / armor debuff on targets. Zero buffs from cyrodiil. Build has ~65% crit chance and doesn't even use monster helm/shoulders, so could always go for even more damage with molag kena.

I have brought the issue to light, if nobody else thinks this needs fixing, I'll leave it at that.

EDIT: Also, I only have ~145 or so CP.

People ask me why I don't switch back to vampire, and this right here is my answer. I know what can be done. My single target burst against an npc is around 125k, then against a player it's around 35k if they're a vamp, though usually they're dead before the one shot mechanism actually takes effect.

Maybe they'll fix it. I'm gonna use the same opener when camo isn't double proc'ing but for now it's way op by game standards.

kadar

ToRelax wrote: »

The stealth bonus should not hit non vamp/ww players and there shouldn't be a garuanteed normal proc either.

Not if you mean you don't think they should or if you are stating that they do not.

Stealth proc is guaranteed if undead or Daedra (or ww). 4% normal proc chance on normal living people. And you're right, stealth bonus shouldn't be hitting any non vamp/ww players (has it been know to do this or something?).