Class Counter Potions

ThisOnePosts

Cloak works for a Magicka NB much better than a Stam NB. Just throwing that out there. Stam NBs can't spam cloak. Magicka food will give you an extra cloak and to waste CP into Magicka for a Stam NB is ridiculous.

What Cloak really needs is a Stam Morph.

Also Magelight hurts sneaking. How many people run that? MANY. Join a zerg, look at all the Magicka builds running it. Not all, but MANY. Heck I run it on my Sorc/Temp/DK. It's very useful. Let's face it, while all classes sneak, none rely on it as much as MOST Nightblades do. Also the duration of Cloak is very low.

Dracane

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

Anti Sorc - shield ignore
Anti temp - heal Prevention
Anti dk - ignore defense/reflect
Anti NB - detect
Anti everyone - negate class abilities < (just examples. Not requests)

Anti Sorc-Shield Breaker Set
Anti Temp- Disease enchants
Anti DK (reflect at least)- Any kind of channel
Anti Nb- the potion

Anti Everyone.... aggro Imperial City boss ?

leepalmer95

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

@asmael

Not sure if you're serious. The same potion that grants immunity to a dk's CC also grants immunity to the other classes CC. Meaning it's equal to all.

Also, I'll point out a big difference.

If player A takes a cc immunity potion, player A I immune to CC. Effect on self

With detect, if player A uses a detect potion, player Bs cloak is nullified. Effect on someone else.


@Merlight

False. Read above. No other potion applies an effect that eliminates an ability on another player.

Read a bit of this thread, seems your just a salty nb troll it seems.

Nb's were on par with sorc before 1.7, after the patch nb's are top by far.

Even with detect pots and it's nerf as well as that 45 second cooldown... do you even know how fast some nb's run in stealth?

Non - Debatable... lol, wish there was a troll button i could press for trolling forum post farmers like you.

ThisOnePosts

Dracane wrote: »

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

Anti Sorc - shield ignore
Anti temp - heal Prevention
Anti dk - ignore defense/reflect
Anti NB - detect
Anti everyone - negate class abilities < (just examples. Not requests)

Anti Sorc-Shield Breaker Set
Anti Temp- Disease enchants
Anti DK (reflect at least)- Any kind of channel
Anti Nb- the potion

Anti Everyone.... aggro Imperial City boss ?

LMAOOO honestly I love IC because of how chaotic it can be.

PrinceRyzen

Egonieser wrote: »

Everybody can sneak, so Detect pots are not a counter to just nightblades but a counter to anyone who sneaks.
I am a magicka sorcerer and i spend 60% of my pvp time sneaking and i suffer from detect pots just as much as anybody.
If sneaking was a NB-only ability, i would agree, but since sneaking is a general ability for everyone - that is not the case.
It is a counter to cloak, same as any gapcloser is a counter to streak, and channeled ability to wings etc.
Stop crying about detect pots and move on with your life. Each build has it's upsides and downsides, live with it.

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

Just went back over and noticed one last argument made that I really want dead. It may very well be the reason some mistakingly think this potion is fair. Probably should have posted it in the original OP but here it is?

Brrrofski wrote: »

It isn't an anti night blade potion. It is for everyone in stealth.

Xjcon wrote: »

All classes can stealth. It effects all classes. Put a CD on cloak and I would support some kind of change to detect pots.

Brrrofski wrote: »

It isn't an anti nightblade potion.

It works on EVERYONE in stealth.

Stealth isn't a nightblade exclusive thing. They can just make more use of it than others.

This has been brought up multiple times so, here's the answer:


Crouching and receiving the "hidden" status isn't a combat ability. If you'd like to test it, engage in combat and try to crouch. You won't be hidden because its NOT meant to be an in combat ability.

On the other hand cloak IS meant to be used in combat.


The reason this potion is an issue is because it prevents a class from using an ability IS meant to be used in combat. NO other classes lose use of combat abilities due to detect potions except for NB.


Saying otherwise is completely false. Detect Potions ONLY prevent Nightblades combat abilities and that's what they're used for. It's an anti NB potion and the only anti class potion in game.

This is what game balance is not. Add potions that completely negate other classes in combat abilities or remove that effect on NB.

That's a fair request for balance.

Done

PrinceRyzen

leepalmer95 wrote: »

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

@asmael

Not sure if you're serious. The same potion that grants immunity to a dk's CC also grants immunity to the other classes CC. Meaning it's equal to all.

Also, I'll point out a big difference.

If player A takes a cc immunity potion, player A I immune to CC. Effect on self

With detect, if player A uses a detect potion, player Bs cloak is nullified. Effect on someone else.


@Merlight

False. Read above. No other potion applies an effect that eliminates an ability on another player.

Read a bit of this thread, seems your just a salty nb troll it seems.

Nb's were on par with sorc before 1.7, after the patch nb's are top by far.

Even with detect pots and it's nerf as well as that 45 second cooldown... do you even know how fast some nb's run in stealth?

Non - Debatable... lol, wish there was a troll button i could press for trolling forum post farmers like you.

Points on topic?:

- Salty NB troll
- NB vs sorc. NB on after patch
- NB run fast
- Trolling post farmers

None.


Are you for or against anti potions for all?

leepalmer95

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

@asmael

Not sure if you're serious. The same potion that grants immunity to a dk's CC also grants immunity to the other classes CC. Meaning it's equal to all.

Also, I'll point out a big difference.

If player A takes a cc immunity potion, player A I immune to CC. Effect on self

With detect, if player A uses a detect potion, player Bs cloak is nullified. Effect on someone else.


@Merlight

False. Read above. No other potion applies an effect that eliminates an ability on another player.

Read a bit of this thread, seems your just a salty nb troll it seems.

Nb's were on par with sorc before 1.7, after the patch nb's are top by far.

Even with detect pots and it's nerf as well as that 45 second cooldown... do you even know how fast some nb's run in stealth?

Non - Debatable... lol, wish there was a troll button i could press for trolling forum post farmers like you.

Points on topic?:

- Salty NB troll
- NB vs sorc. NB on after patch
- NB run fast
- Trolling post farmers

None.


Are you for or against anti potions for all?

But it's not an anti pot, even with alchemy passive, detect pots work for 15 seconds is it? They don't have huge range, have a huge potion cooldown, you also waste your potion cooldown which could of been use for a more useful pot such a a dmg/crit pot of a tri pot or an immovable pot.

It's obvious when someone uses a pot against you, simply get away, cloak and stay away for 5 seconds it's not hard.

I'm obviously against whatever it is your attempting to do.

A nb complaining about the other 3 classes only viable way to actually find nb's, seems like a L2P issue if you think these are a problem.

Dracane

ViciousWayz wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

Anti Sorc - shield ignore
Anti temp - heal Prevention
Anti dk - ignore defense/reflect
Anti NB - detect
Anti everyone - negate class abilities < (just examples. Not requests)

Anti Sorc-Shield Breaker Set
Anti Temp- Disease enchants
Anti DK (reflect at least)- Any kind of channel
Anti Nb- the potion

Anti Everyone.... aggro Imperial City boss ?

LMAOOO honestly I love IC because of how chaotic it can be.

Indeed the bosses are so dangerous.

PrinceRyzen

leepalmer95 wrote: »

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

@asmael

Not sure if you're serious. The same potion that grants immunity to a dk's CC also grants immunity to the other classes CC. Meaning it's equal to all.

Also, I'll point out a big difference.

If player A takes a cc immunity potion, player A I immune to CC. Effect on self

With detect, if player A uses a detect potion, player Bs cloak is nullified. Effect on someone else.


@Merlight

False. Read above. No other potion applies an effect that eliminates an ability on another player.

Read a bit of this thread, seems your just a salty nb troll it seems.

Nb's were on par with sorc before 1.7, after the patch nb's are top by far.

Even with detect pots and it's nerf as well as that 45 second cooldown... do you even know how fast some nb's run in stealth?

Non - Debatable... lol, wish there was a troll button i could press for trolling forum post farmers like you.

Points on topic?:

- Salty NB troll
- NB vs sorc. NB on after patch
- NB run fast
- Trolling post farmers

None.


Are you for or against anti potions for all?

But it's not an anti pot, even with alchemy passive, detect pots work for 15 seconds is it? They don't have huge range, have a huge potion cooldown, you also waste your potion cooldown which could of been use for a more useful pot such a a dmg/crit pot of a tri pot or an immovable pot.

It's obvious when someone uses a pot against you, simply get away, cloak and stay away for 5 seconds it's not hard.

I'm obviously against whatever it is your attempting to do.

A nb complaining about the other 3 classes only viable way to actually find nb's, seems like a L2P issue if you think these are a problem.

What is the range and duration of pots that prevent the other 3 classes from using abilities?

What is the potion that forces the other 3 classes to stay away for 5 seconds?

They don't exist. I've made no argument on how hard/easy detect pots are to combat. Yet that hasn't stopped the barrage of the l2p crowd. (How original)

The discussion here is potions of a similar effects not existing for all classes.


If detect pots are "fine," okay. Similar ability canceling potions will be fine for countering other classes. If you don't think those potions should exist for other classes then the same goes for NBs.


You're against what I'm "attempting" to do? Treat all classes equally. Some desire 1 sided advantages. Understood.

acw37162

This is such a load.

The only class ability that counters a night blade belongs to night blade.

Every other de-buff you mentioned is available to every class via an ability.

The only outlier is sorc's shields and shield breaker will be available on every platform in a week or less.

No dice on class counter potions, shields still need to be crit able tho

PrinceRyzen

acw37162 wrote: »

This is such a load.

The only class ability that counters a night blade belongs to night blade.

Every other de-buff you mentioned is available to every class via an ability.

The only outlier is sorc's shields and shield breaker will be available on every platform in a week or less.

No dice on class counter potions, shields still need to be crit able tho

Only class ability that counters a night blade belongs to night blade? I hope you're joking.

Anyhow, if you feel there should not be class counter potions I understand. In order to make that true detect needs to be changed to not negate night blades cloak.

The_Conquerer

*** that. detect pots are probably one of the only counters for nightblades. Nightblades have to be the most OP class if used correctly. Like you shouldnt be able to cloak 12 times during a battle then fear and crit a teleport strike in the back to 1 hit us. It's completely unfair that their is no other counter for fear then just breaking out of it 2 seconds after they already teleport striked you in the back and added with proxy det is just nothing you can do about it.

Selique

You're literally the only person to have an issue with this. That says a lot.

The DETECT potion is meant to detect stealthed players. Be they any class.

As others have mentioned, Cloak is a very versatile skill, NOT solely for vanishing to escape.

There isn't any problem. Detect potions are not hindering my ability to PvP in Cyrodiil. They aren't bothering 99% of the posters in this thread.

You're not going to win anyone over by saying "You're with me, or against me".

PrinceRyzen

Selique wrote: »

You're literally the only person to have an issue with this. That says a lot.

The DETECT potion is meant to detect stealthed players. Be they any class.

As others have mentioned, Cloak is a very versatile skill, NOT solely for vanishing to escape.

There isn't any problem. Detect potions are not hindering my ability to PvP in Cyrodiil. They aren't bothering 99% of the posters in this thread.

You're not going to win anyone over by saying "You're with me, or against me".

Lol. No.

Of course not everyone is against detect potions. 3 out of 4 classes benefit from it. Surprised? That says a lot.

For example, Create a potion that negates a sorcerers shields. Then check the forums and tell me everyone is fine with counter potions.


Another hit for that dead horse:
Detect is meant to reveal stealthed players. Not cloaked.
Crouching and being hidden isn't an in-combat ability. Attack a player and test it. You will still be detected. Thus It's not meant for combat. Therefore 3 out of 4 classes in-combat abilities are NOT prevented by detect.

Cloak however IS meant to be used in combat. There's only one potion that prevents a class from using an ability they're meant to use in combat. Detect.




So........ if you're saying it's fine having a potion counter a class ability. Okay! That means other potions that counter other classes would also be fine. I understand.


P.S. I've literally never said anything about "cloak being used solely for vanishing to escape" or "you're with me or against me."