Someone please explain to me why DC sucks.

Alphashado

So I love DC. I've been playing it since launch. All my characters are DC. I've noticed over the months and months since launch that DC hardly ever dominates in ANY campaign. The "good old days" of buff campaigns when there was a kind of "gentleman's agreement" was the only time I've ever seen a campaign controlled by DC for more than a few hours.

I'm not a PvP fanatic. I like it well enough when I am in the mood for it. I contribute when I can, help the guild when I can, and sometimes spend entire days in Cyrodiil. That being said, I am more of a casual PvPer than what you would call hardcore. So someone with (unbiased) knowledge of the situation please explain to me why DC seems to suck so bad in Cyrodiil.

It's even more pronounced now with IC. None of the campaigns regularly control more than 2 or 3 keeps. I understand that DC has a lower overall population than the other two factions, but when a campaign is population locked, how does faction population matter? If it's pop-locked, that means there are equal numbers from each faction in the campaign.

Don't answer this question with "DC is a bunch of noobs" or "Hail the Mighty EP" etc

I really want to understand why one particular faction constantly get's wrecked. And right now it really sucks because even getting into the sewers is a PITA and once you get there, you have to deal with either AD or EP camping/farming both the entrance to the sewers and the door right outside of the base and there never even seems to be enough DC to form a decent counter strike.

I just don't get it.

TBois

Combination of sustained population and good guilds, but DC got some good players and guilds who recently switched to blue. They were holding their own better as a faction before this most recent patch. I would say right now is not a good time to judge anyway, since many people are trying to get endgame gear in the IC.

TheBull

You don't get because you are wrong. DC won the last 4 Major 30 day campaigns by a large margin. That's 4 months of dominance.

Teargrants

Sorry, VE is still grinding like crazy to get all th IC gear that is now BiS and enough mats to upgrade to V16.

To be perfectly honest, red dominates most of the servers because of a handful of midling guilds that find they are able to PvDoor the map almost 24/7 while wiping up the random pugs that show up to oppose them.

Sure, we could get our raid together, retake our keeps, sit at ash and farm them for hours. But there's no meaning to it now because AP is worthless. We all have millions of AP stockpiled to buy teleport stones, and there's nothing else to spend it on.

Until gated access is added to IC as was originally intended, don't expect Cyrodiil to change much.

tinythinker

Who knows what the future holds, so in the meantime enjoy some reruns while main map Cyro in on hiatus.

Farorin

I've always found that DC players are good, but they suffer from low population. Every now and then though I come across some terrible DC players, but that's also the case for the other factions.

In my opinion, the players that suck the most technically speaking, are from EP. They do well though, because they are always really high population it seems.

I myself am AD, and I think in AD we get our fair share of crap and good players, but I never fight against AD so am in no real position to make a judgement on how well they play.

hammayolettuce

No one cares about the Cyro map right now because IC isn't gated and everyone had to power level to V16 and acquire the new gear (the jewelry pieces are selling for 600k right now if that's any indication of how easy it is to get said gear). Everyone is in PvE farm mode right now and it totally sucks, but that's the new patch for ya. DC has the numbers, skill and organization to dominate any campaign, it's just gonna be another week or two before you start seeing good fights again.

Carde

Aside from the low pop, I know damn well DC has some very organized and skilled guilds, they're all just hiding right now.

Minnesinger

I am actually wondering when PvP will start to take place. All I hear Imperial Sewers farm or some random dungeon. Cyrodiil doesn´t have interest at the moment. I guess we all start to feel bored soon if we continue farming. Get back to war.

Hear the wisdom.

Sharee

Someone please explain to me why DC sucks.

FENGRUSH

FENGRUSH is disgusted by your words OP. Pray at the temple of ni mohk for forgiveness.

Mojmir

Dc sucks cause whenever I'm looking for pledge runners,no one goes.too bad I can't change alliances

Alucardo

I was online this morning at 5am, and was like "Wow, I'm surprised to see so many of us on this time of the morning". Some regular replied with "It's the only chance we've got to get our resources back". Sure enough, couple of hours later reds and yellows came on and smashed us. Once that happens, our party of 18 drops to 5 because every one logs off, usually complaining about zergs or wb spammers in AD before disconnecting. That's my DC experience every morning anyway.

Kupoking

Bad leadership?

Ishammael

hammayolettuce wrote: »

No one cares about the Cyro map right now because IC isn't gated and everyone had to power level to V16 and acquire the new gear (the jewelry pieces are selling for 600k right now if that's any indication of how easy it is to get said gear). Everyone is in PvE farm mode right now and it totally sucks, but that's the new patch for ya. DC has the numbers, skill and organization to dominate any campaign, it's just gonna be another week or two before you start seeing good fights again.

Listen to Snu. Everyone is in potato-grind mode. Prices are dropping really fast (every day), so give it another week or two and we'll be back at it.

aco5712

IC sparkle will be over shortly and then its back to the boring ass grind of pvp where you get no good rewards because AP is worthless and their new pvp content is just pve disguised. Gonna give it a month before people start complaining that pvp is boring and needs something new lol.

Ezareth

Sharee wrote: »

Someone please explain to me why DC sucks.

That Could be a picture of Chillrend as well.

The largest group I plan on playing in any more is 5 (prefer 4) unless I know I'm about fight a full on zerg. We wipe groups 2-3 times our size regularly despite them having every cyrodiil buff but the desire to seige keeps, repair walls, and fighting NPCs that give no reward right now when compared to fighting mobs that have an insanely high gold return in potential rewards of trophys, deconstructibles, and stones is just not there.

DC is doing poorly right now solely because they are the lowest pop alliance and their veterans are too busy slaughtering infidels to bother with PvDooring maps.

DisgracefulMind

DC will get back to it eventually. We were dominating pretty hard until this patch. Everyone just wants their gear, give it awhile.

Yonkit

I'm actually going backwards with my gear. Working hard to get the best v1 stuff for all of my toons. Eventually I might come back to normal cyrodil, but as you know it's a process. Until then, if anyone has any nightshade gear they're looking to offload, or maybe some unassailable, PST!

CN_Daniel

You must not be talking about PC NA DC...

RAWR!

sneakys wambulance is holding it together :-)

RDMyers65b14_ESO

Too many people are just going to IC and they don't care about Cyrodil. We're poplocking and having a queue due to people going into the IC. I hate to say this but we /NEED/ IC to be gated to get people out of IC and back into Cyro. A few minutes ago, 12 Bananas attacked at Nickle against 3 of us trying to defend. We asked in zone for help... none came but kept seeing 'lfg ic' in zone.

MyM16sHot

I've been in DC since the console launch and back in June all the campaigns were getting dominated by AD but just as TheBull said DC had been doing well lately.

yodased

Why does DC suck? Easy:

Dreyloch

Many of the really great and dedicated PvP guild leaders for DC had left the game a long azz time ago because of the lag and ZoS's inabilty to fix things in a timely manner. I've only just come back to the game myself because of this after a 4-5 month hiatus.

It's nice to hear DC has dominated "some"thing while I was gone. But we're still outnumbered on any server. Moreover, there's a lack of awesome PvP leaders. There are a few....but just not enough.

There's also still the fact that DC has fewer EU or U.S. morning/daytime players than the other factions. But it's been like that kinda since launch =/

CN_Daniel

Dreyloch wrote: »

Many of the really great and dedicated PvP guild leaders for DC had left the game a long azz time ago because of the lag and ZoS's inabilty to fix things in a timely manner. I've only just come back to the game myself because of this after a 4-5 month hiatus.

It's nice to hear DC has dominated "some"thing while I was gone. But we're still outnumbered on any server. Moreover, there's a lack of awesome PvP leaders. There are a few....but just not enough.

There's also still the fact that DC has fewer EU or U.S. morning/daytime players than the other factions. But it's been like that kinda since launch =/

No bro -- We stack alliance vs alliance meow we win. Winners of Azura 5 out of the last 6 (think Wabbajack or old Thornblade).

Ishammael

Dreyloch wrote: »

Many of the really great and dedicated PvP guild leaders for DC had left the game a long azz time ago because of the lag and ZoS's inabilty to fix things in a timely manner. I've only just come back to the game myself because of this after a 4-5 month hiatus.

It's nice to hear DC has dominated "some"thing while I was gone. But we're still outnumbered on any server. Moreover, there's a lack of awesome PvP leaders. There are a few....but just not enough.

There's also still the fact that DC has fewer EU or U.S. morning/daytime players than the other factions. But it's been like that kinda since launch =/

I'm not dedicated enough, 'tis true. And Grunt has other things going on.
=(

<-- Casual

Mr_Nobody

If theres no VE or whatever other rerolled guild defending/taking a keep in Cyro... If i am solo I would rather take 20 NPCs with me than 20 random DC.

Ezareth

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

If theres no VE or whatever other rerolled guild defending/taking a keep in Cyro... If i am solo I would rather take 20 NPCs with me than 20 random DC.

Take me sir! I even put a siege shield over my meatbag I'm attacking the front door with. Unless of course you leave some unattended siege down for me to appropriate from you

hammayolettuce

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

If theres no VE or whatever other rerolled guild defending/taking a keep in Cyro... If i am solo I would rather take 20 NPCs with me than 20 random DC.

After playing on AD for a bit and then coming back to DC, I've learned to really appreciate DC pugs. You haven't seen bad until you have a group of at least 10 people on your side who are afraid to charge into a group of four so you find yourself tanking everything while everyone else turtles up behind a rock. No heals. Nothing. This is a vast majority of AD's population.

Kupoking

I think then its because the recent dc rerolls came back to their AD and EP toons because of their small biceps.

Mr_Nobody

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

If theres no VE or whatever other rerolled guild defending/taking a keep in Cyro... If i am solo I would rather take 20 NPCs with me than 20 random DC.

After playing on AD for a bit and then coming back to DC, I've learned to really appreciate DC pugs. You haven't seen bad until you have a group of at least 10 people on your side who are afraid to charge into a group of four so you find yourself tanking everything while everyone else turtles up behind a rock. No heals. Nothing. This is a vast majority of AD's population.

I know right, except, the majority of such is on DC side ~ They are fun though cause if you actually manage to kill 1 or more 1vX, these guys come into leech the ap. But naaah, most of the time they will sneak for the next few minutes and then attempt to rez you... for the alliance! Lmao. Or put 10 sieges all around in the middle of nowhere and then die themselves.