Patch Notes disappointment.

Cherryblossom

MisterJimothy wrote: »

Scyantific wrote: »

Agreed. No fixes for the borked instancing/scaling/party warp issues.

The worst offender is the FPS stuttering and memory leak issues and we didn't even get a fix for those (no, removing addons is NOT a fix).

Unfortunately, it is a fix. ZOS doesn't support any add-ons and all their testing is based solely on a vanilla game. If an add-on is causing issues, that's not their problem nor is it their responsibility to fix it.

However it's not Addon's causing the issues, as there are many who have turned them off, myself included who are still waiting a for screen to load.

I have to admit, it has improved FPS having them turned off, but the API changes done by ZOS are the reason behind the issue with Addon's so I disagree with your assesment that it's not their responsibility. If the Addon creators are unable to change their Addon's in such a way to remove the FPS drop, then ZOS needs to explain within the API notes the reason and what can be done to remedy. I choose not to buy the game on PS4 purely on the basis that the original games UI is so poor I wouldn't like to play without the Addon's.

Carde

I don't know why people keep bringing up addons in this discussion. There might be a few that are adding to the problems, but even when the addons are completely disabled and uninstalled we're all sitting there waiting on 5-10 minute load screens and random FPS dips. Not related to addons, not helpful.

Harasdar

Gnorok wrote: »

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Did you honestly expect all the problems to be addressed in one week?

All the problems? No.

The major problems like the loading screen issue? Yes.

Or at least some information about what is going on.

100% agree!!!

I know Zenimix isn't Blizzard but in WOW really big major bugs were fixed really fast, some annoying small bugs sometime seemed to stay forever, but the made their best to let us just play...or at least informed us...here the answer is often the same don't use addons...but still bugs are there even without those. For me it would be a better feeling if they just would admit that they did some *** than just pushing the problems away

Asmael

I'd just like to have a list of all known bugs, with their status (e.g resolved, to be corrected, to be investigated, etc etc), instead of having to look in the forums in 5.000 different posts of 100 different threads, just to see which ones have already been reported or not.

Basically, making the bug tickets' list publicly available. The "Known issues for patch 2.1.4" was definitely a grand idea, but needs some tweaking.

P3ZZL3

Asmael wrote: »

I'd just like to have a list of all known bugs, with their status (e.g resolved, to be corrected, to be investigated, etc etc), instead of having to look in the forums in 5.000 different posts of 100 different threads, just to see which ones have already been reported or not.

Basically, making the bug tickets' list publicly available. The "Known issues for patch 2.1.4" was definitely a grand idea, but needs some tweaking.

What in the name of all things of common sense, is this kind of smack talk!!!! How can you honestly suggest such a thing.

Stravokov

no word from ZO$ yet either like usual. this is why they really really need to stop these MEGA patches. often filled with more problems than they fix.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Asmael wrote: »

I'd just like to have a list of all known bugs, with their status (e.g resolved, to be corrected, to be investigated, etc etc), instead of having to look in the forums in 5.000 different posts of 100 different threads, just to see which ones have already been reported or not.

Sounds nice on paper, less in practice.

Many reported "bugs" are actually player-related or client-side or add-on related, or refer to things "working as intended". Listing all reported supposed bugs implies "all bugs recognized by Zenimax as needed to be addressed on their side", which in turns implies having them all looked into in the first place.

Because, you know, many "bug reports" sound like :
" - BUUUUGGGGG !!! My char can't craft breton styyyyyyle !!!!!!"
" - Have you learned the breton style ?"
" - Errrr.... dunno..... do I have to ?? Maybe ? Where do I see that ? How do I do that ?".....
All this needs to be processed before a "bug" such as "Some players cannot craft breton style" comes into the "official list of known bugs".

Another secondary effect would be the tons of people jumping in with posts like "why is MY bug not being recognized/listed/addressed".

Would cause more problems than it would solve.

Carde

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

I'd just like to have a list of all known bugs, with their status (e.g resolved, to be corrected, to be investigated, etc etc), instead of having to look in the forums in 5.000 different posts of 100 different threads, just to see which ones have already been reported or not.

Sounds nice on paper, less in practice.

Many reported "bugs" are actually player-related or client-side or add-on related, or refer to things "working as intended". Listing all reported supposed bugs implies "all bugs recognized by Zenimax as needed to be addressed on their side", which in turns implies having them all looked into in the first place.

Because, you know, many "bug reports" sound like :
" - BUUUUGGGGG !!! My char can't craft breton styyyyyyle !!!!!!"
" - Have you learned the breton style ?"
" - Errrr.... dunno..... do I have to ?? Maybe ? Where do I see that ? How do I do that ?".....
All this needs to be processed before a "bug" such as "Some players cannot craft breton style" comes into the "official list of known bugs".

Another secondary effect would be the tons of people jumping in with posts like "why is MY bug not being recognized/listed/addressed".

Would cause more problems than it would solve.

Every single one of ZOS' direct competitors in this market, and I mean every single one of them have a list of fixed and known issues in every single one of their patch notes. Comments like yours show just how complacent some people have become to many of the practices ZOS employs. Silence like this does not breed happy consumers. A game client that feels worse than it did in early beta does not breed happy consumers. None of this is okay.

Asmael

Carde wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

I'd just like to have a list of all known bugs, with their status (e.g resolved, to be corrected, to be investigated, etc etc), instead of having to look in the forums in 5.000 different posts of 100 different threads, just to see which ones have already been reported or not.

Sounds nice on paper, less in practice.

Many reported "bugs" are actually player-related or client-side or add-on related, or refer to things "working as intended". Listing all reported supposed bugs implies "all bugs recognized by Zenimax as needed to be addressed on their side", which in turns implies having them all looked into in the first place.

Because, you know, many "bug reports" sound like :
" - BUUUUGGGGG !!! My char can't craft breton styyyyyyle !!!!!!"
" - Have you learned the breton style ?"
" - Errrr.... dunno..... do I have to ?? Maybe ? Where do I see that ? How do I do that ?".....
All this needs to be processed before a "bug" such as "Some players cannot craft breton style" comes into the "official list of known bugs".

Another secondary effect would be the tons of people jumping in with posts like "why is MY bug not being recognized/listed/addressed".

Would cause more problems than it would solve.

Every single one of ZOS' direct competitors in this market, and I mean every single one of them have a list of fixed and known issues in every single one of their patch notes. Comments like yours show just how complacent some people have become to many of the practices ZOS employs. Silence like this does not breed happy consumers. A game client that feels worse than it did in early beta does not breed happy consumers. None of this is okay.

Pretty much that... For the sake of a few "false alarms", it's absolutely NOT worth making this list private. I've yet to see a case where making this list publicly available has been detrimental overall, and this is certainly not going to change for quite some time.

It does, however, requires some organization, and allow ticket submitters to easily find bugs related to the ones they're attempting to submit (keywords, filters per date, individual explanation for each ticket's status as to why it's a false alarm or if it was indeed a bug...).

I've submitted a ticket regarding AP drinks and food not granting stats, how do I know if they received it? How do I know if it's currently being fixed? How do I know if someone already reported it? Because of this, reporting bugs is quite frustrating at times, since we have absolutely no visibility.

Carde

It all hinges on ZOS actually looking into each case and figuring out if its a player reporting something incorrectly or not. Saying its impossible is downright wrong because like I said every single one of their direct competitors do it this way.

If you don't believe me I cordially invite you to review patch notes for any MMO in the last 10 years. Google it up.

edit: And hell while we're on the subject, NONE of ZOS' director competitors have even half as many problems patch to patch as this game does. It is my only real complaint about TESO and I don't understand how its so awful, but their client/engine feels like its made of tinfoil. I've never in my entire 30 years of life seen a game that was this clunky and broken consistently. Each patch feels like a glitch hydra got a head removed and three more grew in its place. Its unheard of how broken this game is. I've seen early access steam games with more cohesion using premade Unity assets and baby's first vidya game developing methods that booted up cleaner and held together patch to patch better. I simply do not understand how this happens with all this talent and the backing of one of the greatest publisher/developer in the world behind them. This game actually ran better back in early-mid beta and fell apart almost overnight right before launch. Is it because they switched to the Hero Engine again? Is that it? I genuinely am confused and baffled by it. I fear I will die never understanding why this game is so broken forever. /endrant

later edit: I don't say any of this to be disrespectful or hurt anyone's feelings, these are just genuinely how I feel about the game. Its only true flaw is whatever the hell is wrong with the engine/client. I feel like no matter how great the game is it just won't matter eventually if it stays in this current constantly broken state, and it has not budged from this state since before it launched. It honestly feels bleak at this point if the game will ever feel like it truly "works" right.

criscal

A list of known bugs and their priority would certainly help to avoid a lot of ticket duplication. The best would be of course to insert known bugs.in the ticket submission process as a list to choose from. They should have this anyway in some form to recognize duplicates when having a look at them.
Due to the intransparency of the current process and lack of followup and the connected frustration I have stopped submitting any bugs since a year or so.
The most hilarious thing is that so you can't even check your own bug reports and you can't withdraw them either, even if you made a report in error.

Lady_Rosabella

Finally got an email back from ZOS Support and it states:

"Thank you for your patience as we get back to you. We are currently investigating an issue that is causing players to experience long loading screens when trying to play The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited.

Long loading screens can sometimes be caused by a connection issue with the game, and antivirus programs can sometimes be the cause of this issue. Each antivirus program is different, and we recommend that you view the developer's website for full instructions on how to add exceptions."

****Of course I have added exceptions to antivirus and firewall, did that over a year ago, and check it periodically to make sure nothing has changed.

Also they want me to:

"Please also ensure that your machine meets the game's minimum requirements by checking here: https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3313.

If you continue to experience this issue, and if you meet the game's minimum requirements, please reply back with the following information:

A copy of the traceroute and pathping files from the computer
Name of the internet service provider (ISP)
Type of internet (DSL, Cable, etc)
Whether the network is wireless or wired
A copy of the game consultant report

****Been there, done that.....over and over, it's like a big runaround, and always somewhere in the responses, it has something to do with our rigs or our internet. I have a gaming rig that EXCEEDS the requirements and Internet connection that is pretty freakin awesome, didn't have these problems until the update/patch. Tell me how my rig or internet changed from pre-update---> until now?

zornyan

Just remember, there's still over half of zos working on console release, meaning half of their people are preparing the patch, the servers etc to get it dropped onto our machines.

Give them at least a bloody week before slating them, to those moaning like children saying "if I can't use my add ons I quit!" well goodbye, we have zero add ons on console, yet we manage just fine, not to mention the abundance of pc transfer that are too doing fine.

If you refuse to play a game soloy on if you can download an app to say "debuff now! Attack now!" and need to follow instructions then maybe you need help. You should be playing games for fun.

Most games will lock content behind dlc, just remember when Orsinium drops there will be new dungeons added, and they too will be included into the daily pledge rotation.

I mean what if it was the other way around, "I just paid for dlc yet I can't enjoy the new dungeons as a pledge!"

Lady_Rosabella

zornyan wrote: »

Just remember, there's still over half of zos working on console release, meaning half of their people are preparing the patch, the servers etc to get it dropped onto our machines.

Give them at least a bloody week before slating them,

Let's see "at least a week" hmmmm update game out August 31st and today is September 9th that's like what 9 days? Where I come from a week is 7 days, lmao

anitajoneb17_ESO

zornyan wrote: »

To those moaning like children saying "if I can't use my add ons I quit!" well goodbye, we have zero add ons on console, yet we manage just fine, not to mention the abundance of pc transfer that are too doing fine.

If you refuse to play a game soloy on if you can download an app to say "debuff now! Attack now!" and need to follow instructions then maybe you need help. You should be playing games for fun.

It's not moaning like children. It's stating a fact. Without addons I would not have played the game longer han two weeks. And for your information (because once again, you speak about things you know nothing about) most addons are NOT about combat info and "cleanse now" screen info, it's about a thousand other things like sorting inventory. It's about having more fun playing and less hassle with the rest of things.

I doubt that all console players are happy with the current state of the user interface considering the huge amount of threads here from console players requiring addon features to be included in the base game.

Now all tastes are in nature and quite a lot of PC players are happy without addons and quite a lot of console players are happy with the interface as it is. It's just not all of them, and I doubt it's the majority of them. Regardless, playing without addons is not an option FOR ME.

nimander99

Load times will dwindle as people become board with IC and play other games... that's the dirty secret the Natch Potes will never mention

nimander99

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

To those moaning like children saying "if I can't use my add ons I quit!" well goodbye, we have zero add ons on console, yet we manage just fine, not to mention the abundance of pc transfer that are too doing fine.

If you refuse to play a game soloy on if you can download an app to say "debuff now! Attack now!" and need to follow instructions then maybe you need help. You should be playing games for fun.

It's not moaning like children. It's stating a fact. Without addons I would not have played the game longer han two weeks. And for your information (because once again, you speak about things you know nothing about) most addons are NOT about combat info and "cleanse now" screen info, it's about a thousand other things like sorting inventory. It's about having more fun playing and less hassle with the rest of things.

I doubt that all console players are happy with the current state of the user interface considering the huge amount of threads here from console players requiring addon features to be included in the base game.

Now all tastes are in nature and quite a lot of PC players are happy without addons and quite a lot of console players are happy with the interface as it is. It's just not all of them, and I doubt it's the majority of them. Regardless, playing without addons is not an option FOR ME.

I turned off all my addons the other day just to play pure... suffice to say I turned them back on immediately!

Llafn_Nos

After today's patch on the EU PC sever, lag is worse than ever, loading screens are longer and more frequent.

So I logged of and went and had fun with my RC cars.

Obviously the updates to make this game 'fun' and 'good for the future of the game' are failing badly. Unless they actually want to turn the servers off and leave them off I suggest they fix these issues now.

Do I sound annoyed and frustrated? Well I am. I loved this game but since 2.1 I am really struggling with it.