[Bug] Agility Rings are extremely rare compared to others

Kas

this thread ^^

bone/ether -> willpower
legion/planar -> endurance
claw/teeth -> agility

that being said, it's a bit weird that certain spots in the sewers can be farmed a lot more efficiently than others...

Leandor

Kas wrote: »

this thread xDDDD

bone/ether -> willpower
legion/planar -> endurance
claw/teeth -> agility

Not the point. Check this one:

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

I just checked the loot tables for all the trophy vaults and the agility rings have exactly the same drop chance as all the other rings.

That being said, its been interesting looking at the data for trophy vault key pieces. (Bone Shards, Monstrous Teeth, Mark of the Legion...etc) There's a pretty large discrepancy in the number of times some of these items are looted vs. others.

We will dig into the key pieces a bit more and most likely make some adjustments to even things out a bit.

This is the issue at hand.

Kas

the reason is that some are available on meele only mobs that can be pulled together and farmed. there are spots to farm for agi as well. they're just 1) not as efficient for TVS and 2) not being farmed because arcance willpower still goes for more than robust agi.

once 2) changes, expect more agi trophies to be farmed

Tankqull

Leandor wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

this thread xDDDD

bone/ether -> willpower
legion/planar -> endurance
claw/teeth -> agility

Not the point. Check this one:

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

I just checked the loot tables for all the trophy vaults and the agility rings have exactly the same drop chance as all the other rings.

That being said, its been interesting looking at the data for trophy vault key pieces. (Bone Shards, Monstrous Teeth, Mark of the Legion...etc) There's a pretty large discrepancy in the number of times some of these items are looted vs. others.

We will dig into the key pieces a bit more and most likely make some adjustments to even things out a bit.

This is the issue at hand.

the problem is to few mobs drop agilty keys especially in the easily reachable and somewhat safe areas. thus alot more of the other keys are achieved.
but instead of fixing the problem by rearranging mob populations they will probbably just reduce the drop rates of the other keys...

P3ZZL3

Safe to say though, from farming last night, bone/legion/claw/tooth are the most infrequent drops.

Ether/Scrap seem plentiful.

Not to mention the prices in the stores right now. Claw and Bone is what everyone is after and the prices are presently up to 3k a shot in EU.

Leandor

Tankqull wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

this thread xDDDD

bone/ether -> willpower
legion/planar -> endurance
claw/teeth -> agility

Not the point. Check this one:

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

I just checked the loot tables for all the trophy vaults and the agility rings have exactly the same drop chance as all the other rings.

That being said, its been interesting looking at the data for trophy vault key pieces. (Bone Shards, Monstrous Teeth, Mark of the Legion...etc) There's a pretty large discrepancy in the number of times some of these items are looted vs. others.

We will dig into the key pieces a bit more and most likely make some adjustments to even things out a bit.

This is the issue at hand.

the problem is to few mobs drop agilty keys especially in the easily reachable and somewhat safe areas. thus alot more of the other keys are achieved.
but instead of fixing the problem by rearranging mob populations they will probbably just reduce the drop rates of the other keys...

I have not given up hope that they will realise that their drop philosophy does not really make players want to play the game. I go for increase in population of daedroth.

Tankqull

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

I just checked the loot tables for all the trophy vaults and the agility rings have exactly the same drop chance as all the other rings.

That being said, its been interesting looking at the data for trophy vault key pieces. (Bone Shards, Monstrous Teeth, Mark of the Legion...etc) There's a pretty large discrepancy in the number of times some of these items are looted vs. others.

We will dig into the key pieces a bit more and most likely make some adjustments to even things out a bit.

as a fixing hint:
- count the numbers of mobs providing each key type within IC
- normalize the amount of droped keys by adding a multiplyer to the less represented mobs/keys [e.g. 500mobs potentially drop ether but only 50 drop monstrous tooths adding a 10x multiplyer to the mobs dropping tooths will equallize the amount of dropped keys overall - but they will end totally overcamped that way]

so you do not come around repopulating IC or open up the mob types dropping agilty keys.

daswahnsinn

I haven't seen more than two rings of agility in the guild stores, and only a hand full of necklaces. Plenty of weapons and shields. Other players that get them keep them or they don't drop like the other two sets. I'm in three large guilds and haven't heard or seen any of the members get one.

Alcast

daswahnsinn wrote: »

I haven't seen more than two rings of agility in the guild stores, and only a hand full of necklaces. Plenty of weapons and shields. Other players that get them keep them or they don't drop like the other two sets. I'm in three large guilds and haven't heard or seen any of the members get one.

That is because 90% of the ESO base is Magicka based.

Xantaria

Alcast wrote: »

daswahnsinn wrote: »

I haven't seen more than two rings of agility in the guild stores, and only a hand full of necklaces. Plenty of weapons and shields. Other players that get them keep them or they don't drop like the other two sets. I'm in three large guilds and haven't heard or seen any of the members get one.

That is because 90% of the ESO base is Magicka based.

And this leads to nobody farming Agility

Alcast

Xantaria wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

daswahnsinn wrote: »

I haven't seen more than two rings of agility in the guild stores, and only a hand full of necklaces. Plenty of weapons and shields. Other players that get them keep them or they don't drop like the other two sets. I'm in three large guilds and haven't heard or seen any of the members get one.

That is because 90% of the ESO base is Magicka based.

And this leads to nobody farming Agility

Every farm group I have ever been in were only farming Bone Shards and Ether.

Starshadw

PBpsy wrote: »

Some people will never see this. It is quite nice for some people to believe like they are persecuted.There is not much ZOS can do now to change their perception now.. Stam was bad in the beginning and I believe that this what the actual appeal of stamina was for some players. I think If magicka was weak in the beginning we would probably see the same people crying that ZOS hates magicka builds.

If you think ZOS isn't supporting your particular playstyle/build, try being an actual hybrid build - not hybrid as in two different roles, but hybrid as in wanting to use both stamina and magicka skills for one role. Then you'll know true pain.

hammayolettuce

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

Can you confirm if it is completely random across all 3 sets, or is it as the other thread says, Certain trophies/rooms give certain items?
Cheers

Without giving it all away, its not random.

So I have been running around with my guild collecting trophies and we figured out the system, down to exactly which trophy gives the item I want. Agility rings are so rare (V16 robust goes for over 1 mil gold if you can even find one for sale) *because* there aren't enough mobs that drop that particular trophy. In 2 weeks I've only been able to farm 2 stacks of 60. Please make these trophies drop a little more frequently so I can get back to PvP. Right now, one of my agility rings has the arcane trait and I'm making do because it's a huge improvement over the shadow walker jewelry I was wearing before. But the minmaxer in me is cringing.

asneakybanana

hammayolettuce wrote: »

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

Can you confirm if it is completely random across all 3 sets, or is it as the other thread says, Certain trophies/rooms give certain items?
Cheers

Without giving it all away, its not random.

So I have been running around with my guild collecting trophies and we figured out the system, down to exactly which trophy gives the item I want. Agility rings are so rare (V16 robust goes for over 1 mil gold if you can even find one for sale) *because* there aren't enough mobs that drop that particular trophy. In 2 weeks I've only been able to farm 2 stacks of 60. Please make these trophies drop a little more frequently so I can get back to PvP. Right now, one of my agility rings has the arcane trait and I'm making do because it's a huge improvement over the shadow walker jewelry I was wearing before. But the minmaxer in me is cringing.

In about 2 or 3 hours I managed to farm 2 stacks of willpower trophies while in the same time of farming agility trophies I only managed to come up with 35. This was doing a pretty much only clan fear run maximizing my route to get as many as possible. It seems that not only are there less clan fears but they also drop items at a lesser chance. Doing willpower trophies I found myself picking up 5+ willpower trophies at once fairly regularly while I think the most claws i ever found was 2

Alcast

asneakybanana wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

Can you confirm if it is completely random across all 3 sets, or is it as the other thread says, Certain trophies/rooms give certain items?
Cheers

Without giving it all away, its not random.

So I have been running around with my guild collecting trophies and we figured out the system, down to exactly which trophy gives the item I want. Agility rings are so rare (V16 robust goes for over 1 mil gold if you can even find one for sale) *because* there aren't enough mobs that drop that particular trophy. In 2 weeks I've only been able to farm 2 stacks of 60. Please make these trophies drop a little more frequently so I can get back to PvP. Right now, one of my agility rings has the arcane trait and I'm making do because it's a huge improvement over the shadow walker jewelry I was wearing before. But the minmaxer in me is cringing.

In about 2 or 3 hours I managed to farm 2 stacks of willpower trophies while in the same time of farming agility trophies I only managed to come up with 35. This was doing a pretty much only clan fear run maximizing my route to get as many as possible. It seems that not only are there less clan fears but they also drop items at a lesser chance. Doing willpower trophies I found myself picking up 5+ willpower trophies at once fairly regularly while I think the most claws i ever found was 2

My guess is the issue here is that BOne Shards and Ether drops from skeletons and Mages which have LOW HP and there are more around in a room then lets say Bloody claws which drop from clanfear and Tooth from Daedroth?

This might also be one of the issues

muffit

Whats the latest with this? Has it been fixed on PC as doesn't seem like it on PS4... Going to stop opening agility chests for this reason.

Wycks

The vaults supposedly give a better chance of dropping jewellery since the latest patch, but as has been set the drop rate is not the issue, the issue is the types of mobs that drop agility trophies are more rare.

In one nightly 3 hour farm run I can typically get 2 stacks of ether/bone/planar but not even half a stack of claws, and teeth I have 35 of them after playing for 2 weeks.

silky_soft

Drop rates have decreased since 2.1.7. Scrap the different chests. Make it rng for anything on any chest like we have in pvp for reward for the worthy.

Mojmir

Didn't know this was a bug,thought *** drop rates we're intentional.

Goldie

Xantaria wrote: »

Honestly ... Zenimax!

I hope this is a bug or something. But there are Hundreds of willpower and endurance rings out there and I've only heard of 2 Agility Rings to ever be found?

Why would you create different droprates for sets that are supposed to be equivalent to each other?

Stamina is already inferior compared to Magicka and now we even get gimped in our gearing ...

Thats blasphemy, I got 2 Agility Rings from one chest.

Goldie

Xantaria wrote: »

Playah81 wrote: »

I have one you can buy

It is with Arcane Vr16 ..

Got it in Vet. Wayrest Sewers Vr16 (Final Boss) so just get started with any some Vet. dungeons runs again

if it was Robust I'd pay 500k+ ... But tbh with this low droprate ... don't think I will ever have one.

I have 1 with robust. @GoldieKhan

muffit

Yeah PC has got a patch maybe to sort it out but console won't get another patch to late October... Great cheers ZOS *facepalm*

SHADOW2KK

I feel your pain OP, 2 weeks or so ago, I actually found a robust Agility ring 2 hours after spending 800k to finish off the set, was really irritated, sold it for 1 million gold in Harrods, so slightly mollified my temper somewhat.

Rings/Jewellery are still pretty rare however, did find a neck Robust Stam enchantment not long after.

Keep at it:P

jelliedsoup

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Weclome to Elder Scrolls Magicka or gtfo Online

This would make more sense if not for the fact that TWO of the three ring sets are specced for Stamina builds, not Magicka. ALL THREE of the new crafted armor sets are better for Stamina builds, too!

I agree that the Agility rings are too rare, but don't pretend that ZOS doesn't love Stamina builds, because they've been favoring Stamina for a LONG time.

That's so true, all the best damage and skills come from stamina.

SHADOW2KK

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Weclome to Elder Scrolls Magicka or gtfo Online

This would make more sense if not for the fact that TWO of the three ring sets are specced for Stamina builds, not Magicka. ALL THREE of the new crafted armor sets are better for Stamina builds, too!

I agree that the Agility rings are too rare, but don't pretend that ZOS doesn't love Stamina builds, because they've been favoring Stamina for a LONG time.

Lol wut? Zeni has favoured stam builds for a long time? define long?

Because to me, a player who played stam build/hybrid (mostly leaning towards stamina) since early access on my old DK defo did not feel favoured in any way, shape, or even fantastical form EVER to feel favoured till 1.6 finally hit, and the long established meta of harry potter dress wearing staff wielding magicka users finally had some sort of viable competition.

IMO anyways, not sure what game you have played however:P

Yolokin_Swagonborn

None of this would be a problem if there were more than THREE ENDGAME JEWELRY SETS!!!!

Zos, stop trying to control rings like Sauron and give us V16 versions of hawks eye, morag tong, ravager, and other sets that have jewelry.

SHADOW2KK

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

None of this would be a problem if there were more than THREE ENDGAME JEWELRY SETS!!!!

Zos, stop trying to control rings like Sauron and give us V16 versions of hawks eye, morag tong, ravager, and other sets that have jewelry.

This....

Prabooo

Sarousse

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »

I just checked the loot tables for all the trophy vaults and the agility rings have exactly the same drop chance as all the other rings.

That being said, its been interesting looking at the data for trophy vault key pieces. (Bone Shards, Monstrous Teeth, Mark of the Legion...etc) There's a pretty large discrepancy in the number of times some of these items are looted vs. others.

We will dig into the key pieces a bit more and most likely make some adjustments to even things out a bit.

@ZOS_RichLambert

Hi,

In patch notes 2.1.7 you said that you adjusted the droprate of mostly rare components (claws, tooth, mark of the legion...)

After a full day of farming in the sewers, the droprate of the Monstrous Teeth and Claws hasn't changed (or even got worse).

Meanwhile, if you go in vampire section, you get tons of bone shards & Dark Ether very fast.

Any word on this ?

Thanks.

Minsc

I don't know about sewers but i can say that killing ''Grieving Twilights'' ( the demon- like mobs) at upper IC was giving Monstrous Teeth yesterday with a rate of around 30% . small sample but I got around 11 within 20-30 mins ( the area that the monster vault is located)