Return Shields/Healing/Damage to its former state?

igyyroub17_ESO

I'm pretty sure the majority of the pvp population is not very fond of this update so I felt it was necessary to make this post. I could very well be incorrect but this is just what I've gotten from other players. Feel free to state your opinions, just keep it non bashy.

nothing2591

Agree

YES this low dmg is boring as hell cant even 1vx anymore, nerf the op skills instead of overall dmg

ToRelax

Agree

A number of bad decisions with the 1.6 update dumbed down resource management and now ZOS tries to band aid the issue once again instead of giving us a solution. In the process, they create more problems because they don't seem to understand their own game, neither the metagame, nor a large part of the mechanics themselves.

Suru

Agree

wtb 1.6 with tweaks, not overhauls

manny254

Agree

Who would have ever guessed that blanket nerfing everything instead of balancing the game was a bad idea?

Araxleon

Agree

I would say lower to 25%-30% or just give everyone 5-10k more HP and return to normal values

MrGrimey

Agree

The reason time to kill was so fast and damage was so high last update had a lot to do with sharpened and armor penetration bugs... With that fixed, damage doesn't need such a high nerf.

I'd say revert damage back to 1.6 or at least adjust the battle spirit buff to 35% damage reduction... 50% is really overkill, 1v1s take forever, 1vX is terrible and this all promotes nothing but mindless Zerg play.

Lucky28

Agree

Yes, i would like to enjoy PvP again, please.

EDIT: also get rid of the stacking cost on Dodge roll and Streak.

EDIT#2: and fix ultimate gain...

coryrenick_ESO

Disagree

Ah, yet more whining that it takes slightly longer to kill scrubs than it used to. Music to my ears.

Lucky28

Agree

coryrenick_ESO wrote: »

Ah, yet more whining that it takes slightly longer to kill scrubs than it used to. Music to my ears.

If you are really so bad and don't put in the effort to learn there are two things you can do.

1. accept the fact that you are bad and keep your mouth shut until you do get good.
2. dedicate yourself to PvE and stay out of Cyrodiil.

it's not my intent to be mean. however, both of those options are better than taking away from people who actually put in the effort to get good at the game and enjoyed the PvP element because you feel it's "too hard" if it's that hard for you, then perhaps you just need to find another game to play.

Xsorus

Agree

wtb softcaps instead of this

coryrenick_ESO

Disagree

Lucky28 wrote: »

coryrenick_ESO wrote: »

Ah, yet more whining that it takes slightly longer to kill scrubs than it used to. Music to my ears.

If you are really so bad and don't put in the effort

Let me stop you right there.
A bad player is not necessarily indicative of a lack of effort.
Absolutely nothing has been taken away from the good players. Everyone has the same damage nerf. Good players will still be able to kill bad players, it will just take a bit longer, and meanwhile the bad players who are willing to learn might just be able to figure what it was that hit them.

The folk talking about how much skill should be valued and sought after should rejoice. The bad players who genuinely want to get good will now have more opportunity. The folk that use skill as a code word for 1vX facerolls, well, they're the ones ruining the game.

Lucky28

Agree

coryrenick_ESO wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

coryrenick_ESO wrote: »

Ah, yet more whining that it takes slightly longer to kill scrubs than it used to. Music to my ears.

If you are really so bad and don't put in the effort

Let me stop you right there.
A bad player is not necessarily indicative of a lack of effort.
Absolutely nothing has been taken away from the good players. Everyone has the same damage nerf. Good players will still be able to kill bad players, it will just take a bit longer, and meanwhile the bad players who are willing to learn might just be able to figure what it was that hit them.

The folk talking about how much skill should be valued and sought after should rejoice. The bad players who genuinely want to get good will now have more opportunity. The folk that use skill as a code word for 1vX facerolls, well, they're the ones ruining the game.

Considering the fact that i've been playing on Vet servers since my character was level 25 and even then i could survive well enough, what you are saying does not register. It's a pretty simple procedure; the game has NPC's (punching bags) for a reason. in dark souls for example how do you think you get good at parrying?. Practice on NPC's then on other players. same thing here, Practice your reactive blocking, on NPC's. practice toggling your camera, on NPC's. practice attacking two targets at once in quick succession, on NPC's. then move on and practice on other players.

and yes, it did take something away. It's boring.

coryrenick_ESO

Disagree

Lucky28 wrote: »

coryrenick_ESO wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

coryrenick_ESO wrote: »

Ah, yet more whining that it takes slightly longer to kill scrubs than it used to. Music to my ears.

If you are really so bad and don't put in the effort

Let me stop you right there.
A bad player is not necessarily indicative of a lack of effort.
Absolutely nothing has been taken away from the good players. Everyone has the same damage nerf. Good players will still be able to kill bad players, it will just take a bit longer, and meanwhile the bad players who are willing to learn might just be able to figure what it was that hit them.

The folk talking about how much skill should be valued and sought after should rejoice. The bad players who genuinely want to get good will now have more opportunity. The folk that use skill as a code word for 1vX facerolls, well, they're the ones ruining the game.

Considering the fact that i've been playing on Vet servers since my character was level 25 and even then i could survive well enough, what you are saying does not register. It's a pretty simple procedure; the game has NPC's (punching bags) for a reason. in dark souls for example how do you think you get good at parrying?. Practice on NPC's then on other players. same thing here, Practice your reactive blocking, on NPC's. practice toggling your camera, on NPC's. practice attacking two targets at once in quick succession, on NPC's. then move on and practice on other players.

and yes, it did take something away. It's boring.

Dude. Don't start with that, assuming I've put in no effort. Considering I can solo everything in Craglorn that's soloable and yet when I get to PvP I crumple like wet paper, what you're saying doesn't register with me either. These are skills I'm only going to get with PvP, and I might actually get the chance to learn them.

You want to give me some help, tell me why in IC I can't seem to crack 1000 damage, but get hit all the time by 3,4 and 5000 damage attacks. I've got 3000 base weapon power, 44.5% critical, and sharpened on my 2 handed sword, plus the Unresistable Damage rune. Like I said, I can rock Craglorn, but I get to Cyrodiil and it feels like I'm naked and bareknuckled.

What's so exciting about facerolling a bunch of noobs anyway?

frozywozy

Disagree

I don't want 1.6 back. I want the TTK to be in the middle between 1.6 and 1.7. Your poll is not appropriate.

Domander

Disagree

ToRelax wrote: »

A number of bad decisions with the 1.6 update dumbed down resource management and now ZOS tries to band aid the issue once again instead of giving us a solution. In the process, they create more problems because they don't seem to understand their own game, neither the metagame, nor a large part of the mechanics themselves.

By "dumbed down resource management" do you mean "I dont like that I can't have unlimited resources and high damage too"?

That's how I read complaints about resource management.

igyyroub17_ESO

Agree

frozywozy wrote: »

Your poll is not appropriate.

But you still vote?

ToRelax

Agree

Domander wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

A number of bad decisions with the 1.6 update dumbed down resource management and now ZOS tries to band aid the issue once again instead of giving us a solution. In the process, they create more problems because they don't seem to understand their own game, neither the metagame, nor a large part of the mechanics themselves.

By "dumbed down resource management" do you mean "I dont like that I can't have unlimited resources and high damage too"?

That's how I read complaints about resource management.

Wtf are you talking about. Dumbed down to me means very easy to comprehent and execute I think, with a negative tone, thus too easy.
I don't like that I can have unlimited resources at all. Unless I am facing a zerg and leeching from it, but that one got nerfed...

Lord_Hev

Agree

I'd much rather deal with 1.6 then this. At least the combat was fluid.

Domander

Disagree

ToRelax wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

A number of bad decisions with the 1.6 update dumbed down resource management and now ZOS tries to band aid the issue once again instead of giving us a solution. In the process, they create more problems because they don't seem to understand their own game, neither the metagame, nor a large part of the mechanics themselves.

By "dumbed down resource management" do you mean "I dont like that I can't have unlimited resources and high damage too"?

That's how I read complaints about resource management.

Wtf are you talking about. Dumbed down to me means very easy to comprehent and execute I think, with a negative tone, thus too easy.
I don't like that I can have unlimited resources at all. Unless I am facing a zerg and leeching from it, but that one got nerfed...

Ah, most complaints seem to be in the other direction this update. I find the tradeoff between sustain and damage to be more meaningful than in 1.6

Mojmir

Id vote yes if I also get my regen back too.

Angarato

Disagree

whiners gonna whine. adapt or die

Lord_Hev

Agree

You know ZOS does not play their game, or actually think thoroughly about their decisions when...


http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/212202/fights-are-endless-in-non-vet-pvp-right-now#latest


lol I then read the thread and it is comedic in such a sad way.



It is very very clear that they are completely out-of-touch with their player-base. The balance changes of this patch are utterly disgusting and detrimental to the overall health of this game. Maybe if ZOS actually gets actual PvPers whom regularly PvP in their own game to play-test and provide feedback, then we would not be in this situation.

Daveheart

Disagree

Even though I disagree, don't take that to mean that I approve of the current state and how they addressed the previous issues. Rather than a blanket nerf, I think adjusting individual abilities would have made for better game play. The shield nerf also made many shields completely pointless to run.

ThyIronFist

Disagree

30k+ Sorc shields, insta-gibbing, dying before you can even react to anything and such high amounts of damage that your health completely desyncs?

No thank you.

Just add more counters to zergs and/or change the mechanics so there will be less incentive to group up with 24+ people and that there will be an actual risk and maybe penalties if you run with an extremely large group.

The reason the damage was so high in 1.6 was PARTLY due to the sharpened bug, but even without sharpened you could insta-gib people with certain ridiculous builds, I've seen it with my own eyes many, many times, equip a bow, camouflaged hunter, pew pew pew, and your target is dead before he/she can even react. It's bullshit and you know it. This is an MMO and if you want to kill people in 1 or 2 shots then go play Call of Duty or something.

I can agree that perhaps in certain situations or encounters the damage is indeed a bit too low, but please don't bring back 1.6, it was terrible, if need be find a middle ground and reduce it to 35% or something.

Lord_Hev

Agree

ThyIronFist wrote: »

30k+ Sorc shields, insta-gibbing, dying before you can even react to anything and such high amounts of damage that your health completely desyncs?

No thank you.

Just add more counters to zergs and/or change the mechanics so there will be less incentive to group up with 24+ people and that there will be an actual risk and maybe penalties if you run with an extremely large group.

The reason the damage was so high in 1.6 was PARTLY due to the sharpened bug, but even without sharpened you could insta-gib people with certain ridiculous builds, I've seen it with my own eyes many, many times, equip a bow, camouflaged hunter, pew pew pew, and your target is dead before he/she can even react. It's bullshit and you know it. This is an MMO and if you want to kill people in 1 or 2 shots then go play Call of Duty or something.

I can agree that perhaps in certain situations or encounters the damage is indeed a bit too low, but please don't bring back 1.6, it was terrible, if need be find a middle ground and reduce it to 35% or something.

Then adjust the damage from stealth openers, instead of destroying everything else, and making the game clumsy and tedious. Fix the root of the issue, not blanket nerf everything.

ThyIronFist

Disagree

Lord_Hev wrote: »

ThyIronFist wrote: »

30k+ Sorc shields, insta-gibbing, dying before you can even react to anything and such high amounts of damage that your health completely desyncs?

No thank you.

Just add more counters to zergs and/or change the mechanics so there will be less incentive to group up with 24+ people and that there will be an actual risk and maybe penalties if you run with an extremely large group.

The reason the damage was so high in 1.6 was PARTLY due to the sharpened bug, but even without sharpened you could insta-gib people with certain ridiculous builds, I've seen it with my own eyes many, many times, equip a bow, camouflaged hunter, pew pew pew, and your target is dead before he/she can even react. It's bullshit and you know it. This is an MMO and if you want to kill people in 1 or 2 shots then go play Call of Duty or something.

I can agree that perhaps in certain situations or encounters the damage is indeed a bit too low, but please don't bring back 1.6, it was terrible, if need be find a middle ground and reduce it to 35% or something.

Then adjust the damage from stealth openers, instead of destroying everything else, and making the game clumsy and tedious. Fix the root of the issue, not blanket nerf everything.

Even without stealth openers, getting hit by 10k+ from certain abilities is too high, for example you're fighting a bunch of people and then get 2-shotted by a WB spammer, a sniper that is standing 40 meters away or a Nightblade that keeps spamming you with Surprise Attack or Concealed Weapon.

As I said I wouldn't mind a middle ground, reduce it to 35% for all I care but going back to 1.6 is madness.

grumpybird

Agree

Combat used to feel dynamic now it feels slow and boring.

Ishammael

Agree

Remove damage debuff, implement softcaps, revert hp ratio to 1.5:1:1

Fixed.

Joy_Division

When people are pining for 1.6, that's a clear sign the game is heading in the wrong direction.

Winnamine

Agree

I just want my heals to do something again....