Is v18 coming in December 2015?

azoriangaming

Enodoc wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

vr18 is coming for sure - probably vr20 and 22 before ZOS "figues out" how to make a fun game.

I don't doubt VR18 is coming, but it ideally won't be with Orsinium/Wrothgar.

I agree with you, there is no way in hell they'd up the ranks again in 3 months time due to most of the players will still be grinding to get gear to a competitive standard again especially if you've got alts.

Xjcon

F7sus4 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

[*] Raise level cap so that existing gear is now worthless

Sorry for caps and bold, but it really needs it:

SOLUTION: MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO INCREASE THE LEVEL OF THE ITEMS WITH CRAFTING.

• SAVES YOU FROM REGRINDING THE SAME GEAR WITH NEW VR LEVELS
  
• SMOOTHS THE ECONOMY (2K FOR VR13 ITEM AND 200K FOR THE SAME VR14 ITEM WAS RIDICULOUS)
  
• FINALLY MAKES CRAFTING MORE MEANINGFUL

Even if the cost was huge this would be epic.

starkerealm

Acrolas wrote: »

There can't be any more veteran ranks because they've already reached the pinnacle of pretentiousness by calling a bottle of water "Star Dew."

"Lorkhan's Tears" would want to have a word with you about that, if we could only get it to stop cutting itself and listening to The Cure.

Siniztor

ddi i miss a mmorpg that droped dlc's with out level advancement in some form..either stright levels added or combat rating or vetrian ranks , what ever name you use..i could of swore it was well know a mmorpg ment you buy the game..level up gear up wait for the dlc then you level up and gear up and wait for the next dlc..lest to me and the people i know.

I mean if they waved a wand and took vr out of the game and everyone reached max level at 50..what is the incetive to run dungeons and raids in a new dlc?? cause as many said there mad about having to grind new gear..so even with no level increase no one would run any thing cause you have your gear yellowed out..

Problem i see is the time format every one wants new stuff to do but dosent wanna change gear every 3 months? then make the dlc bigger and make them every 6 months

Personofsecrets

Enodoc wrote: »

Because of how the itemization system is tied into Veteran Ranks, new and "better" gear requires a higher VR for it to be implemented.

This is not true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ckaYoL1o5w

50:00

>How will you introduce items that increase player power without increasing the level cap?
>That is a fairly easy thing to do on our end. just sort of make more and more powerful items.

Arundo

I bet with the next DLC (PVE zone) they will increase to VR18.

Alucardo

December eh? What a better Christmas gift than 2 more vet levels and decades of hard work ahead of you!

Enodoc

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Because of how the itemization system is tied into Veteran Ranks, new and "better" gear requires a higher VR for it to be implemented.

This is not true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ckaYoL1o5w

50:00

>How will you introduce items that increase player power without increasing the level cap?
>That is a fairly easy thing to do on our end. just sort of make more and more powerful items.

Isn't that an answer to how it will work after VRs are removed? If anyone can find the video where Wrobel said that the current system is tied into itemization, that would be good.

Arundo

Alucardo wrote: »

December eh? What a better Christmas gift than 2 more vet levels and decades of hard work ahead of you!

Pretty normal in MMO's, World of Warcraft started at 60 now they are at 100.

Prof_Bawbag

I don't see the issue with vet ranks. Call me old fashioned, but I like to see my character continuously evolve and the extra attribute points help. If you're gonna min/max then you've got to expect to grind. It happens in almost every other game. Min/maxing should take time and should be laborious. Everyone is in the same boat, so like i said, I really don't see the issue.

Elektrakosh

Well if Orsinium is going to be v rank [insert random number here] I'm not going to bother with it. I'm having a hard time levelling to 50. This game is looking more unattractive to me now.

Prof_Bawbag

Elektrakosh wrote: »

Well if Orsinium is going to be v rank [insert random number here] I'm not going to bother with it. I'm having a hard time levelling to 50. This game is looking more unattractive to me now.

You can easily get to 50 just by playing the game on your first run through. With zero grinding. That's basically what the story arc is for. I think I had hit vet one 3/4 of the way through the final area, maybe even earlier. If you're finding that a grind, then you probably are better playing something else.

Rosveen

Arundo wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

December eh? What a better Christmas gift than 2 more vet levels and decades of hard work ahead of you!

Pretty normal in MMO's, World of Warcraft started at 60 now they are at 100.

WoW is also 11 years old.

Elektrakosh wrote: »

Well if Orsinium is going to be v rank [insert random number here] I'm not going to bother with it. I'm having a hard time levelling to 50. This game is looking more unattractive to me now.

It is now easier to reach v16 than v14 before the patch. Going up two more levels isn't a problem, you can do it in a few days even of casual play. The problem is gear grinding (and balance changes coming with major patches). Everyone who's working their ass off to get v16 vear now isn't going to be happy when the level cap is raised in 3 months.

Avenias

Pls increase vr cap, so i get more space to myself in game. All these pesky players.......

solipsist

Why don't they just fire the incompetent employees who are causing this game to be crap?

AngryNord

Elektrakosh wrote: »

Well if Orsinium is going to be v rank [insert random number here] I'm not going to bother with it. I'm having a hard time levelling to 50. This game is looking more unattractive to me now.

Orsinium will be scaled to your character, they've said so multiple times. Whether that means "battle scaling" like in Cyrodiil/IC, or that it scales to the level your character is when you first enter, or something completely different, is not known yet.

Rosveen

AngryNord wrote: »

Elektrakosh wrote: »

Well if Orsinium is going to be v rank [insert random number here] I'm not going to bother with it. I'm having a hard time levelling to 50. This game is looking more unattractive to me now.

Orsinium will be scaled to your character, they've said so multiple times. Whether that means "battle scaling" like in Cyrodiil/IC, or that it scales to the level your character is when you first enter, or something completely different, is not known yet.

They can't scale overworld content to each individual player's level, that much we know.

Elektrakosh

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Elektrakosh wrote: »

Well if Orsinium is going to be v rank [insert random number here] I'm not going to bother with it. I'm having a hard time levelling to 50. This game is looking more unattractive to me now.

You can easily get to 50 just by playing the game on your first run through. With zero grinding. That's basically what the story arc is for. I think I had hit vet one 3/4 of the way through the final area, maybe even earlier. If you're finding that a grind, then you probably are better playing something else.

I'm in Cold harbour part of story quest line and have done all the quests I could find leading up to this. I'm not in a group of two to help with experience. Level 50 I ain't.

Elektrakosh

AngryNord wrote: »

Elektrakosh wrote: »

Well if Orsinium is going to be v rank [insert random number here] I'm not going to bother with it. I'm having a hard time levelling to 50. This game is looking more unattractive to me now.

Orsinium will be scaled to your character, they've said so multiple times. Whether that means "battle scaling" like in Cyrodiil/IC, or that it scales to the level your character is when you first enter, or something completely different, is not known yet.

I hope so. I need more experience.

SantieClaws

You should not be raising levels at all unless you also raise crafting tiers and mats etc across the board.

You also need to really have sufficient content to justify it.

This hasn't happened with past level raises and it has created a sort of unequal muddle with crafting and left players having to grind excessively to get xp.

No more level raises please unless we really have the full package that should come with a level raise.

Elektrakosh

Rosveen wrote: »

Arundo wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

December eh? What a better Christmas gift than 2 more vet levels and decades of hard work ahead of you!

Pretty normal in MMO's, World of Warcraft started at 60 now they are at 100.

WoW is also 11 years old.

Elektrakosh wrote: »

Well if Orsinium is going to be v rank [insert random number here] I'm not going to bother with it. I'm having a hard time levelling to 50. This game is looking more unattractive to me now.

It is now easier to reach v16 than v14 before the patch. Going up two more levels isn't a problem, you can do it in a few days even of casual play. The problem is gear grinding (and balance changes coming with major patches). Everyone who's working their ass off to get v16 vear now isn't going to be happy when the level cap is raised in 3 months.

I'm not even near that level. Level 50 seems hard to reach ATM.

Rune_Relic

Kalfis wrote: »

Remove VR levels or watch this game die.

Why remove VR levels when you can simply Promise to remove VR levels...same effect

solipsist

what would take the place of VR levels? more regular levels?

Apokh

Whats the matter with VR? Going from 14 to 15 took me 1 hit in a random mob. Going from 15 to 16 took me one run thru the WGT normal and 90 Minutes Dragonstar Arena. It was a peace of cake althoungt I thought 14-16 would take me weeks for I play 2 times a week ESO atm.

In ESO Live they said, that the itemization atm is bound to the VR. So if they want to give us stuff where we can feel a "progress" it´s atm only doable via the VR. I guess every player wants progress - we all complaines about stagnation for month, now they let us progress and the best you offer is crying. What´s wrong with you guys? The VR will be removed some time (perhaps) but it´s a long term goal..so do you all really want to run around in the same clothes for another year? As it was before- when some of the VR12 Stuff was so good, even VR14 progress ppl wore it nobody ties you to upgrade your VR14 stuff. It´s up to you - but for sure, if you want to play at the top you will have to work for it...and to be sure, if you want to play on top you have the Mats...if not, youre not playing on the top

SorataArisugawa

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Because of how the itemization system is tied into Veteran Ranks, new and "better" gear requires a higher VR for it to be implemented.

This is not true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ckaYoL1o5w

50:00

>How will you introduce items that increase player power without increasing the level cap?
>That is a fairly easy thing to do on our end. just sort of make more and more powerful items.

Yeah this is called "gear treadmill"
This system has so much flaws... I hope they don't destroy the crafting and randomdrop system with that. I liked, that you can get pieces of good gear everywhere in this game. This gear treadmill thing is too boring...

ChaosWotan

Perhaps ESO is just messing with the gear elite and stats ***. "If you want to grind, in order to outperform others, then here: *** work for it". The difference between v15and v16 gear is not significant, so casuals can be happy with 15 and those who play 12 hours a day got a carrot in front of their face.

And when you finally get all legendary v16 gear, it's useles when v18 is introduced.

In other words, v16 gear is perhaps just a joke, on us hardcore gamers.

Rune_Relic

solipsist wrote: »

what would take the place of VR levels? more regular levels?

More gear variety.
More skyshards and new skill lines
Champion bar modified champion system.
100% reusable content that isnt outlevelled...ie replayability rather than making everything obsolete.

We don't need levels (power)...we need variety (options).
Balanced Options
We need 1000s of viable builds....not 5-10.
Play as you want basically...while appending to content rather than replacing it.

LordSemaj

ChaosWotan wrote: »

In other words, v16 gear is perhaps just a joke, on us hardcore gamers.

Gear grinds have always been a joke on the hardcore. They're a relic from a time when getting better gear actually meant something significant and endured for a time while also being more difficult and time-consuming than modern raids, dailies, and token farms. Things are much easier now and so your progress gets wiped more frequently because people cap out too fast, making the progress irrelevant in the first place.

Unless we return to needing 54 players for a chance to kill each other over a few pieces of loot, gear will have to be reset frequently because people will cap out quickly.

NDwarf

Avenias wrote: »

Pls increase vr cap, so i get more space to myself in game. All these pesky players.......

You should switch to console then. Silver zones are quiet and Gold zones are ghost towns. 1 out of 10 Ps4 players have a level 50 trophy. Haven't hit VR 14 so I wonder how many make it to that level? 1 out of 100?

I can predict the future, *puts on turban*, "in the future VR 17 to 18 will be added. Only a small community of hardcore players will be left playing at the top. They will be hostile to everyone outside their small clique. Anyone new will hit max VR become disgusted with the elitism and leave for greener pastures."

...ok not so much a prediction but what I've seen in other mmorpgs over the years. The higher up the ladder you go, the smaller and tighter the clique until it becomes so hostile and toxic only the most hardcore of hardcores still play. Even going full free-to-play won't save a game at that point.

ChaosWotan

This is really a psychological issue. With my main I rushed to get V14, but actually had less fun than when I took it easy with my alt, the second time around the course.

If new players just learn to enjoy the game itself, and don't compare themselves with the elite, then ESO will live forever.

Also discussed the psychological aspect of leveling and competing with other gamers here:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/214567/l2p-reduction-of-expectations-great-game#latest