If This Wasn't Elder Scrolls....In all honesty

aslan06

Not a fan of MMO,i'm a TES fan,so i probably won't even know about it.

Sausage

I see your point. Im here myself because I predict this is last old-school Fantasy MMO we ever get, so I enjoy while it last. In fact ES is the very last, Dragon Age or Witchers are definitely new school. Dragon Dogma has old-school vibe. I cant think any game what goes so far back into 90s than ES.

krees28b14_ESO

Other than bugs and connections issue the game lost a lot of players due to the design simple as that. ES is about playing the way you want. When everyone stood in line for Skyrim midnight release they talked about how they wanted to play their character and what race they would be. Sadly, we are given templates to start with where in other ES games we are simply thrown into the world and told to explore and become who we want. Use a bow or be a conjurer, that is your choice and not a templates choice. The zones seem rather small when comparing the two versions of the games. The lack of the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves guild quest lines was a bummer as they are the most popular quest lines in the series. Dungeons in ESO are somewhat all laid out the same. Look at the map from one dungeon to the next. The public dungeons are more traditional ES-like than anything. Where are the different schools of magic? How about gear that allows us to make our blacksmithing equipment better than normal? ESO just feels like it is missing a lot from each and every one of the previous ES games.

They lost players when the vet level went from 10 to 12 and then again from 12 to 14. I am sure some people left again now that it is 16 just thinking it is to tedious to play. I believe that this dlc also pushed people away instead of bringing them in. Your first dlc should have been massive to make a good impression. Bring back those older players that left early on, bring in new players. Do something special for the players to make them say "That looks cool, I'll check it out". I do enjoy the dlc but I would have waited and pushed Orsinium out with it also so there was something for everyone. Not to mention that everything worked.

Flaminir

Wouldn't have bought it without the Elder Scrolls name tbh... but now I'm here I love it warts & all.

There have been a few questionable decisions made along the way... but I'm interested to see how the next 2 or 3 DLC's pan out now that they are focused on content rather than the various launches, model changes.

Anhedonie

I wouldn't buy it in the first place.

VilhelmValhalla4

Elektrakosh wrote: »

I wouldn't have bought the game and waited patiently for Elder Scrolls Vl, Ark and DOOM which comes out next year sometime. I'd be still playing my Xbox 360 (which I have started to play as I have some games I still love even now.)

Actually, those are the games I'm waiting for anyway.
This game though, I somehow feel cheated. I'll never be duped like this again.

As soon as Tuesday comes around, guess who won't be playing this game ever again.
I'm going back to my Xbox 360 and forgetting this game ever existed.

I feel the exact same way. ESO just doesn't deliver the Elder Scrolls experience. I went back to playing Oblivion and Skyrim on the Xbox 360, and feel cheated for having sunk money into this game. Ark looks like the only MMO I'll ever play in the near future, and I'm infinitely more excited for backwards compatibility than any new DLC for ESO. I really regret my purchase, and judging by the amount of issues encountered by the PC crowd after the latest update, I think many others do too.

Faulgor

As I said in another thread, no, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't TES, but this is true of Oblivion and Skyrim as well. So what's the point of the question?

DaveMoeDee

I never played an MMO before and I doubt I play one after this. I am here only because it is Elder Scrolls.

DaveMoeDee

Faulgor wrote: »

As I said in another thread, no, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't TES, but this is true of Oblivion and Skyrim as well. So what's the point of the question?

You wouldn't have played Skyrim if it wasn't Elder Scrolls? I think you are in a minority on that.

Then again, I tend to a lot of games in that style.

And I don't think the validity of the question is base on only your answer. The point of the question is obvious to everyone else.

Faulgor

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

As I said in another thread, no, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't TES, but this is true of Oblivion and Skyrim as well. So what's the point of the question?

You wouldn't have played Skyrim if it wasn't Elder Scrolls? I think you are in a minority on that.

Of course not. Why would I have?
I don't see how that puts me in a minority. Everyone was hyped for a new TES game, even before we knew what it was about.

And if the point of the question is obvious to everyone else, could you enlighten me on what it is?

CapnPhoton

I wouldn't have noticed it if it did not have the name. Not because it isn't good, but because I had quit playing MMOs over 5 years ago and wasn't looking for one. It's a decent game, and even though I will never play MMOs hardcore again, its still a good diversion.

Junkogen

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

You dont have to worry much, Camelot Unchained will be released within the next year, more or less ~ We will all be able to experience smooth and balanced PvP with zero to little PvE required to compete.

I read the description of CU and it says that it's not for casual gamers. Sounds like a grindfest to me. Good luck only appealing to hardcore players...well, I guess ESO is kind of on that path right now.

Ravici

Sausage wrote: »

I see your point. Im here myself because I predict this is last old-school Fantasy MMO we ever get, so I enjoy while it last. In fact ES is the very last, Dragon Age or Witchers are definitely new school. Dragon Dogma has old-school vibe. I cant think any game what goes so far back into 90s than ES.

Elite Dangerous goes back to 1984

But that's another story for another forum on another website *cough* lol

CGPsaint

I've only played the PvE portion, so for the most part I'm pretty satisfied. If and when they actually fix the PvP, I may give that a whirl too.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Fine_Rug wrote: »

Would never have even applied for the beta if it wasn't TES. Certainly wouldn't have bough it.

+1 this. This is only my third MMO in my gaming career, MMOs not usually being my thing. Beta impressed me sufficiently to buy it. No regrets here!

Elsonso

Nope.

I am hanging onto the Elder Scrolls part in desperation right now. I fear that the smallest thing will tip the scales for me.

If they took the game exactly as it is today and redid everything Elder Scrolls, from provinces to races to lore, so that there was no reference to Elder Scrolls at all, I would not even have touched the game. I am an Elder Scrolls fan, and to me, Elder Scrolls provides a level of consistency that says that the developers aren't just going to whip something out of their back pocket because it sounds fun or will just generate revenue.

I am waiting to see of ZOS will turn the Elder Scrolls part of the game into a back seat role. Many will argue that they did this already, but not for me. Not yet.

I know that the next installment of TES for Bethesda Game Studios will be an Elder Scrolls game. It isn't more than a rumor right now, and I already have plans to pre-order it. I do not have the same level of confidence in ZOS.

Nivzruo_ESO

Nope nope nope, would have left back when DKs rules the earth with bash spam, I actually have left but came back for IC.. not too impressed so far.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO

Ravici wrote: »

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO wrote: »

@Emma_Eunjung and @Ravici Getting Single player RPGers into an MMO is a very hard task, mainly because single players don't want to be sitting around spending their gaming session waiting for a group. Prime example, look at Craglorn. It is riddled with so much content that requires a group. MMOs are designed to force people to group, however, power gamers (with tips and tricks they don't tell (ie macro keyboards)) find ways around this and post "mega builds" on forums. This smells of cookie cutter which traditional RPG players tend to hate. Unfortunately though, the Higher Ups look at what the power gamers and doing and create content to challenge them, which causes severe problems to mere gamers.

Then on top of that, there's the patch changers that can make a really fun character to play turn into a deleted character. RPG players do get attached to the characters they create, to see all there hours of work, blood, sweat and tears go away with one update is soul destroying. I miss my bow character from Morrowwind, the fun I had with levitation and ranging everything from high above was great fun. Yet MMOs won't let you find a perch to sit on where it's fairly safe (which in real life is what an archer/sniper would do!) because melee would cry a river about it.

I accept that, as its an mmo rather than a standard rpg, we have to expect 'some things' but I do not accept that those things have to impact in so heavy a way.

It is entirely possible to make an mmo that is rpg based with forced grouping for bigger dungeons and such, but the placement of pve content 'within' a pvp area with no way to 'tag out' for want of a better term 'of' pvp is laughable.

There is a lot wrong with the whole situation and it inevitably leads to confrontations between pve/pvp. It is actually designed to cause this conflict. Imo that's a huge mistake.

But that is completely missing the point of this thread. A lot of us were conned into getting this. thinking it was an Elder Scrolls game. It isn't. It just has an Elder Scrolls skin.

All the above taken into account though, the pieces that we can get to outside those areas of contention are pretty good

This is an Elder Scrolls game though. Ok, I admit, character creation and progression is different, but this is to get MMO players into the fold. Hell, I've had problems trying to explain TES character creation to table top RPG players. They couldn't get their head around the fact that they could create a character that could master everything. And to be fair, I see their point. For example, my bowman scout from Morrowind learning levitation. A scout wouldn't spend hours in a magic school learning the spell if I was role playing my class correctly. As a player I would because it give me an advantage, but as a character it would not interest me.

Evergnar

Would I have bought the game if not TES? Maybe. Would I have continued playing it with the issues it's had? No.

goat1313

Only purchased and continue to play because it's an elder scrolls game. If you ignore the mmo aspect and just play the game it's really quite a good game. I go slow and at my own pace getting every quest completed and only get frustrated when I need to complete a group dungeon. Haven't pvp'd yet and really only plan on it when I'm through all the cad wells zones which at my pace won't be fer a year or so.

Acrolas

I mean, the game is kind of succeeding at emphasizing that this era in Tamriel's history was an absolute cluster ***.

I just wish they'd do it in ways that didn't make you regret spending days and days developing a character that starts as a good idea but ends up as a veteran level banker. The game's biggest flaw is that you have to go all the way back to character creation to really adapt, which doesn't feel very TES.

There's just too much set in stone at the beginning that needs to be more fluid if they're going to keep changing the landscape of the game every few months. Creating a new character should be a last resort, not a way to keep you replaying the same game with different rules.

I might have bought it if it weren't ESO. The game world is fun to explore. The limiting factors, I feel, are because it's TES and it's a prequel. A new series with a fresh story and fewer rules and expectations may have felt less... strangled.

Sardracus

Would never have bought it.

As it is I am enjoying it as long as I avoid the MMO aspect..which has nothing to do with RPG.

Skyrim was great ... but a bit lonely. I hoped ESO would be Skyrim with RP interaction with other players, but that was really just wishful thinking. I played WOW for about three days before quitting and will probably never bother with an MMO again.

The fact that I spent £50 will please the marketing guys... I imagine threads like this are the ones most often looked at by Zenimax.

BucFanJKE

If the game didn't have elder scrolls in the name, I would have never bought it. I enjoy the game though.