What is a Zerg?

Voodism

Keep seeing people complain about zergs and i don't understand?
[edited for profanity bypass]

Aett_Thorn

Large groups of players in PvP content. allows them to replace skill with numbers, and just roll over smaller groups of players.

starkerealm

Starcraft's knock-off Tyranids.

andreasv

Sometimes I wonder how Google manages to survive. Hardly anyone is using it.

willymchilybily

andreasv wrote: »

Sometimes I wonder how Google manages to survive. Hardly anyone is using it.

^^ diamond, get an awsome on ya

Rook_Master

A game that was released long before you kids were born, in 1998, had a race called zergs.

Teridaxus

Brotoss > Terrans > Zerg

PBpsy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NEYE3tZJcw

Just something from the best ever game in the history of gaming ever.

Voodism

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

Large groups of players in PvP content. allows them to replace skill with numbers, and just roll over smaller groups of players.

So basically... strength in numbers being used in a open pvp world?

How its that a bad thing?

I mean, i would love a more controlled arena dueling system.

Rook_Master wrote: »

A game that was released long before you kids were born, in 1998, had a race called zergs.

I played starcraft. Just not sure why everyone keep freakin out about zergs in ESO.

Avenias

Zerg originated from starcraft which basically means a lot of units moving very fast and overwhelming your enemy. Zerg is one of the 3 playable races in starcraft.

starkerealm

Voodism wrote: »

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

Large groups of players in PvP content. allows them to replace skill with numbers, and just roll over smaller groups of players.

So basically... strength in numbers being used in a open pvp world?

How its that a bad thing?

I mean, i would love a more controlled arena dueling system.

Rook_Master wrote: »

A game that was released long before you kids were born, in 1998, had a race called zergs.

I played starcraft. Just not sure why everyone keep freakin out about zergs in ESO.

Because that's how words work. They mean one thing, then get eaten and absorbed into related uses.

Aett_Thorn

Voodism wrote: »

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

Large groups of players in PvP content. allows them to replace skill with numbers, and just roll over smaller groups of players.

So basically... strength in numbers being used in a open pvp world?

How its that a bad thing?

I mean, i would love a more controlled arena dueling system.

Let's say that you have a really good six-person group running through the PvP content. You are all good players and have a good amount of PvP skill. If you come across a similar-sized group, your group always wins due to coordination and good tactics.

Then a group of 30 enemy players comes along and just wipes you all out in seconds because everyone in this group is just spamming AoEs as they go along.


It's a valid tactic, but it doesn't come across well to a lot of people, since it just allows skill-spamming groups to wipe otherwise good groups that are smaller.

starkerealm

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

Voodism wrote: »

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

Large groups of players in PvP content. allows them to replace skill with numbers, and just roll over smaller groups of players.

So basically... strength in numbers being used in a open pvp world?

How its that a bad thing?

I mean, i would love a more controlled arena dueling system.

Let's say that you have a really good six-person group running through the PvP content. You are all good players and have a good amount of PvP skill. If you come across a similar-sized group, your group always wins due to coordination and good tactics.

Then a group of 30 enemy players comes along and just wipes you all out in seconds because everyone in this group is just spamming AoEs as they go along.


It's a valid tactic, but it doesn't come across well to a lot of people, since it just allows skill-spamming groups to wipe otherwise good groups that are smaller.

Alternately, as the six man group, you wipe the 30 because you actually understand how the mechanics work, and then members of the 30 come onto the forums to cry about how they couldn't just overwhelm you.

PBpsy

Voodism wrote: »

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

Large groups of players in PvP content. allows them to replace skill with numbers, and just roll over smaller groups of players.

So basically... strength in numbers being used in a open pvp world?

How its that a bad thing?

I mean, i would love a more controlled arena dueling system.

Rook_Master wrote: »

A game that was released long before you kids were born, in 1998, had a race called zergs.

I played starcraft. Just not sure why everyone keep freakin out about zergs in ESO.

The problems are not the zergs per se. The problems with zergs are:
-they create lag or at least they appear to be the major cause of lag in cyro since a certain old patch.Anything associated with lag will be shunned by default.

-there are not many good counters to it. Zerg gameplay is acceptable but it should not be the only option for it.

-strength in numbers is important but strength only in numbers is not a good thing.

-imbalanced campaign pops will determine the strength of the zergs in each campaign.

-zergs do not have any actual weaknesses associated with having a large group.A large force should have problem in mobility and coordination. Zergs do not.

LordSemaj

Zerg in Starcraft meant a race that produced upwards of five times as many troops as the other races, burying your enemy in bodies to the point that if they can't push back the tide they would lose through attrition. Zergs have no need for tactics or skill because there's a never-ending flow of them coming in from a respawn point somewhere. As a result, they're viewed as groups of baddies who can't stomach real PVP and rely on numbers and math to do the winning for them.

There are few games that handle zergs well. Darkfall players could theoretically do well against zergs but in practice it rarely mattered, skilled players only survived by outpacing the zerg which meant they were only taking damage from a few people at a time. Dark Age of Camelot had massive AOEs that could shutdown zergs with ease and boil them alive so forming tight packs was discouraged. But the best game to handle zergs was Shadowbane where siege combat, tanks, and healers were all designed from the ground up for zerg warfare.

willymchilybily

Voodism wrote: »

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

Large groups of players in PvP content. allows them to replace skill with numbers, and just roll over smaller groups of players.

So basically... strength in numbers being used in a open pvp world?

How its that a bad thing?

I mean, i would love a more controlled arena dueling system.

Rook_Master wrote: »

A game that was released long before you kids were born, in 1998, had a race called zergs.

I played starcraft. Just not sure why everyone keep freakin out about zergs in ESO.

because you enter the realms of if you cant beat em join em, lag spikes, small groups getting overran, camping outsider spawns and disgruntled gamers.

@PBpsy i would have use the brood war scene for the zerg. So good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VsdKesdaKs

Thymos

Voodism wrote: »

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

Large groups of players in PvP content. allows them to replace skill with numbers, and just roll over smaller groups of players.

So basically... strength in numbers being used in a open pvp world?

How its that a bad thing?

I mean, i would love a more controlled arena dueling system.

Rook_Master wrote: »

A game that was released long before you kids were born, in 1998, had a race called zergs.

I played starcraft. Just not sure why everyone keep freakin out about zergs in ESO.

A common tactic for the Zerg faction is just to overwhelm with massive numbers. I did it quite often with zerglings. They're weak, but if you have enough of them, you win every time.

starkerealm

willymchilybily wrote: »

Voodism wrote: »

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

Large groups of players in PvP content. allows them to replace skill with numbers, and just roll over smaller groups of players.

So basically... strength in numbers being used in a open pvp world?

How its that a bad thing?

I mean, i would love a more controlled arena dueling system.

Rook_Master wrote: »

A game that was released long before you kids were born, in 1998, had a race called zergs.

I played starcraft. Just not sure why everyone keep freakin out about zergs in ESO.

because you enter the realms of if you cant beat em join em, lag spikes, small groups getting overran, camping outsider spawns and disgruntled gamers.

@PBpsy i would have use the brood war scene for the zerg. So good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VsdKesdaKs

Yeah, I was kinda surprised it wasn't the Brood War scene.

PBpsy

willymchilybily wrote: »

Voodism wrote: »

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

Large groups of players in PvP content. allows them to replace skill with numbers, and just roll over smaller groups of players.

So basically... strength in numbers being used in a open pvp world?

How its that a bad thing?

I mean, i would love a more controlled arena dueling system.

Rook_Master wrote: »

A game that was released long before you kids were born, in 1998, had a race called zergs.

I played starcraft. Just not sure why everyone keep freakin out about zergs in ESO.

because you enter the realms of if you cant beat em join em, lag spikes, small groups getting overran, camping outsider spawns and disgruntled gamers.

@PBpsy i would have use the brood war scene for the zerg. So good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VsdKesdaKs

I should have . But i have a thing for Sarge,

Elsonso

I know what the definition is, but here on the forum the definition seems to be muddled. I have seen references to "zergs" that appear to be just 3 people. One could be forgiven for thinking "zerg" means "a group of players that killed me".

willymchilybily

lordrichter wrote: »

I know what the definition is, but here on the forum the definition seems to be muddled. I have seen references to "zergs" that appear to be just 3 people. One could be forgiven for thinking "zerg" means "a group of players that killed me".

once some one has pvp'd and seen a zerg themselves they will know what it means. irrelevant of other less accurate uses of the term by forum users who like to hyperbole

starkerealm

lordrichter wrote: »

I know what the definition is, but here on the forum the definition seems to be muddled. I have seen references to "zergs" that appear to be just 3 people. One could be forgiven for thinking "zerg" means "a group of players that killed me".

If you can count their numbers, it's not a true zerg.

andreasv

lordrichter wrote: »

I know what the definition is, but here on the forum the definition seems to be muddled. I have seen references to "zergs" that appear to be just 3 people. One could be forgiven for thinking "zerg" means "a group of players that killed me".

I'd also consider a zerg to have no real clue and simply attack without any strategy at all. Me and a friend where once attacked by 8 ADs. They pretty much circled us with no chance to escape. The fight lasted about 5 minutes and was fun even though we died.

The common zerg group would have used every available AoE and Ulti to move to the next victim, but not them.

Mawgusta

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItugh-fFgg

On a side note.. This was the beginning of all the caption. All the internet memes. All the spoof internet vids. This is the grand daddy. Whoever made this video. Started us down this road. Ever patch day caption pic thread. All of it.. This guy started it.

When we all seen this video 20 years ago we were in awe. All the patch day caption memes and photo shop funnies. Everything. IT was amazing.

Edit: Every single one of your funnies are copying this guys video. ALL OF THEM

Double edit.. read the credits. Biohazard helped make that vid.

BRogueNZ

starkerealm wrote: »

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

Voodism wrote: »

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

Large groups of players in PvP content. allows them to replace skill with numbers, and just roll over smaller groups of players.

So basically... strength in numbers being used in a open pvp world?

How its that a bad thing?

I mean, i would love a more controlled arena dueling system.

Let's say that you have a really good six-person group running through the PvP content. You are all good players and have a good amount of PvP skill. If you come across a similar-sized group, your group always wins due to coordination and good tactics.

Then a group of 30 enemy players comes along and just wipes you all out in seconds because everyone in this group is just spamming AoEs as they go along.


It's a valid tactic, but it doesn't come across well to a lot of people, since it just allows skill-spamming groups to wipe otherwise good groups that are smaller.

Alternately, as the six man group, you wipe the 30 because you actually understand how the mechanics work, and then members of the 30 come onto the forums to cry about how they couldn't just overwhelm you.

Depends a whole lot on who that group of 30 is. Sure you could wittle 30 down who don't 'actually understand how the mechanics work' without wiping yourself.

How about 30 who do.

PBpsy

andreasv wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

I know what the definition is, but here on the forum the definition seems to be muddled. I have seen references to "zergs" that appear to be just 3 people. One could be forgiven for thinking "zerg" means "a group of players that killed me".

I'd also consider a zerg to have no real clue and simply attack without any strategy at all. Me and a friend where once attacked by 8 ADs. They pretty much circled us with no chance to escape. The fight lasted about 5 minutes and was fun even though we died.

The common zerg group would have used every available AoE and Ulti to move to the next victim, but not them.

8 AD guys does not a Zerg make.

Hope499

willymchilybily wrote: »

Voodism wrote: »

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

Large groups of players in PvP content. allows them to replace skill with numbers, and just roll over smaller groups of players.

So basically... strength in numbers being used in a open pvp world?

How its that a bad thing?

I mean, i would love a more controlled arena dueling system.

Rook_Master wrote: »

A game that was released long before you kids were born, in 1998, had a race called zergs.

I played starcraft. Just not sure why everyone keep freakin out about zergs in ESO.

because you enter the realms of if you cant beat em join em, lag spikes, small groups getting overran, camping outsider spawns and disgruntled gamers.

@PBpsy i would have use the brood war scene for the zerg. So good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VsdKesdaKs

Holy Starship Troopers!

wraith808

starkerealm wrote: »

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

Voodism wrote: »

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

Large groups of players in PvP content. allows them to replace skill with numbers, and just roll over smaller groups of players.

So basically... strength in numbers being used in a open pvp world?

How its that a bad thing?

I mean, i would love a more controlled arena dueling system.

Let's say that you have a really good six-person group running through the PvP content. You are all good players and have a good amount of PvP skill. If you come across a similar-sized group, your group always wins due to coordination and good tactics.

Then a group of 30 enemy players comes along and just wipes you all out in seconds because everyone in this group is just spamming AoEs as they go along.


It's a valid tactic, but it doesn't come across well to a lot of people, since it just allows skill-spamming groups to wipe otherwise good groups that are smaller.

Alternately, as the six man group, you wipe the 30 because you actually understand how the mechanics work, and then members of the 30 come onto the forums to cry about how they couldn't just overwhelm you.

If the changes in mechanics didn't benefit the zerg, then that might be possible. But as it is, no matter how skilled you are, you can't overcome those odds any longer.

Nebthet78

lordrichter wrote: »

I know what the definition is, but here on the forum the definition seems to be muddled. I have seen references to "zergs" that appear to be just 3 people. One could be forgiven for thinking "zerg" means "a group of players that killed me".

I always considered it to be any group over 20 players often consisting of two or more smaller groups of the same Alliance (and sometimes cooperating alliances) working together.

IE: Janes group of 12 members + Joes group of 15 players working together to take one keep and resources from the opposing alliances group of 10 players. The other alliance is so overwhelmed they get stomped into the ground real hard and have no real chance to defend or win.

Many PvPers like to make fun of PVE being easy, well zergs take ALL challenge out of PvP and make it much easier than grouping PVE content on Max Vet settings.

Zyle

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=zerg+rush

AshTal

Zergs are not good or bad but they tend to ruin the game for others. If you are doing a quest or getting stones and get killed in 2 seconds because 10 people hit you with AOE and just keep running round doing that it doesn't make a fun game.

Yes 2 Zergs hitting each other is fun but also tends to lead to random deaths and mass damage with IC the respawn points make winning means nothing because the losing side tends to be back on full health and fighting before the winning side.