Imperial City 2500 Crowns but you have to buy 3000 crowns to get it

Mitchblue

Harasdar wrote: »

Why are hot dogs usually sold in cans of eight and hot dog buns in packs of six?

I think you can get 8 across the board now but back in the day you needed to buy 3 packs of 'dogs and 4 packs of buns to even it out.

AhPook_Is_Here

Thymos wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Thymos wrote: »

This is a lot like the PSN or Xbox Live. If there's something you want that only costs 2 dollars, you still have to put at least 5 dollars onto the account.

I would always just pay for a couple months of subscription, before actually buying crowns.

It's different because you can use that money for any game on the platform. It is a go-between currency for Microsoft to pay game developers. You can't even use crowns to buy expansions for Dishonored, or contribute to your purchase of Fallout 4. It is a single use currency with no redemption value and it cannot be traded. Most people who have crowns today will quit this game in the future leaving free money on the table as a mandatory "Tip".

Just because there are more options for your money doesn't make the practice any better. I only wanted to spend 2 dollars, but I had to spend 5.

It's just like the steam wallet, and yes you can't redeem it, but it can be used to pay many developers on the platform and if you play more than 1 game on the xbox it is different because it can have more than a singular purpose. Also the way things are denominated it is usually possible for you to spend all of your 5 dollars and not leave half of it as a tip.

Brrrofski

They do it so you spend more. You spend more than you need.

You buy the 3000. Spend the 2500 on IC.

Some people will leave the 500 left over and next time soothing they want is out, maybe they'll only have to buy 1500 crowns. No loss.

But a lot of people will see it as 500 crown left over so will get a pet or an xp scroll. They'll just waste it as it seems so small and it's there.

Next DLC or whatever comes out, another 3000 crowns is bought, 500 left over, buy something small.

Rinse and repeat.

Xbox live used to do it pre xbox one. And it worked. People would waste the remainder. If makes a lot of moneylenders the majority do it.

andreasv

They could avoid such unhappy customers who feel betrayed / misled by simply charging 3000 crowns for the DLC. Problem solved!

Robbmrp

Lord Xanhorn wrote: »

You dont have to buy the 3000 plan. You could also buy 2 1500s or 4 750s.

NICE! That made me actually laugh out loud.....

EnglishDragon17

you ouldnt be complaining if the dlc costed 3000 instead?

Prof_Bawbag

The number one retort people use in these sort of discussions goes something like "No one is forcing you"

Brrrofski wrote: »

They do it so you spend more. You spend more than you need.

You buy the 3000. Spend the 2500 on IC.

Some people will leave the 500 left over and next time soothing they want is out, maybe they'll only have to buy 1500 crowns. No loss.

But a lot of people will see it as 500 crown left over so will get a pet or an xp scroll. They'll just waste it as it seems so small and it's there.

Next DLC or whatever comes out, another 3000 crowns is bought, 500 left over, buy something small.

Rinse and repeat.

Xbox live used to do it pre xbox one. And it worked. People would waste the remainder. If makes a lot of moneylenders the majority do it.

MS made millions from the points system, from basically thin air. Pretty sure Edge, some other gaming site and UK trading standards looked into this and the way units were bundled meant it was next to impossible to ever spend the exact amount in most instances. You were forced to buy more than you needed. It's the same with BSN points [BioWare] and most other gaming related currency.

Unless you bought the specific amount (if the dlc was the same as one of the card units or if you were only ever going to use it once), you were always paying way over the odds for the dlc you were buying and would never have zero points in your balance. Multiply even 30 points over the millions of active LIVE accounts and that will tell you how much MS made by selling nothing from the scheme.

JimbobMarley

zornyan wrote: »

Malediktus wrote: »

Wish there would be laws against using such psychology tricks.

Actually in the UK they are trying to get rid of the 1p coin, all prices will have to be rounded up, so instead of "buy this car for 9.999.99" it'll be a straight 10k.

Saves huge amounts on making a largely irrelevant coin since no where (such as ticket machines etc) actually takes them.

The 3000 crowns has always been an option, hardly worth them adding in 2500 to the store purely for the dlc is there?

If we got rid of the penny as well as things costing 99p not getting change how could we get change for something costing 97p ? I hope this never happens .

Kammakazi

Everybody is okay about this?

What if in the Crown Store the only option to buy Crowns was 10,000 and nothing else. The only item you want to buy only costs 900 Crowns. Would you still spend a load of cash for 10,000 Crowns for an item that only costs 900?

MrGrimey

zornyan wrote: »

Malediktus wrote: »

Wish there would be laws against using such psychology tricks.

Actually in the UK they are trying to get rid of the 1p coin, all prices will have to be rounded up, so instead of "buy this car for 9.999.99" it'll be a straight 10k.

Saves huge amounts on making a largely irrelevant coin since no where (such as ticket machines etc) actually takes them.

The 3000 crowns has always been an option, hardly worth them adding in 2500 to the store purely for the dlc is there?

Sounds like the UK will likely have this done before Zos removes veteran ranks

BigM

What I get out of this thread is people want everything for free and God forbid a company needs to make money to keep something in the market.

First they complained the game should not be a subbed game it needs to go F2P. So they go B2P, so now they complain the crowns to buy stuff to enjoy the game is too expensive. Now we have come to where ZoS is doing some type of Jedi Mind trick to make you buy crowns.

Where did the parents of this generation go wrong in raising these kids where everything should be given to them.

AhPook_Is_Here

BigM wrote: »

What I get out of this thread is people want everything for free and God forbid a company needs to make money to keep something in the market.

I want to know where you get that idea from. Can you quote someone in this thread who wants something for free? I think the point is people like me want to pay the advertised cost and not be forced to carry a nonredeemable balance. Money isn't the issue for me at all, it is the principal of being forced to stuff a tip jar. I have 2400 crowns sitting around, I don't want to buy 750, 1500, 3000 or whatever, I want to buy 100 crowns, because that is the number of nonredeemable points i need to buy what I want.

BigM

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

BigM wrote: »

What I get out of this thread is people want everything for free and God forbid a company needs to make money to keep something in the market.

I want to know where you get that idea from. Can you quote someone in this thread who wants something for free? I think the point is people like me want to pay the advertised cost and not be forced to carry a nonredeemable balance. Money isn't the issue for me at all, it is the principal of being forced to stuff a tip jar. I have 2400 crowns sitting around, I don't want to buy 750, 1500, 3000 or whatever, I want to buy 100 crowns, because that is the number of nonredeemable points i need to buy what I want.

Made my point, it is what you want. Not how the company wants to run it. Thx.

AhPook_Is_Here

BigM wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

BigM wrote: »

What I get out of this thread is people want everything for free and God forbid a company needs to make money to keep something in the market.

I want to know where you get that idea from. Can you quote someone in this thread who wants something for free? I think the point is people like me want to pay the advertised cost and not be forced to carry a nonredeemable balance. Money isn't the issue for me at all, it is the principal of being forced to stuff a tip jar. I have 2400 crowns sitting around, I don't want to buy 750, 1500, 3000 or whatever, I want to buy 100 crowns, because that is the number of nonredeemable points i need to buy what I want.

Made my point, it is what you want. Not how the company wants to run it. Thx.

I don't know what world you get your logic from but I am glad I don't live there.

Prof_Bawbag

BigM wrote: »

What I get out of this thread is people want everything for free and God forbid a company needs to make money to keep something in the market.

First they complained the game should not be a subbed game it needs to go F2P. So they go B2P, so now they complain the crowns to buy stuff to enjoy the game is too expensive. Now we have come to where ZoS is doing some type of Jedi Mind trick to make you buy crowns.

Where did the parents of this generation go wrong in raising these kids where everything should be given to them.

Did you even read the thread? If you did, then your comprehension skills are very poor. You've got the neck to question the parenting of others when you yourself have glaring issues within your own post.

Nowhere has anyone said they should be getting stuff for free. Nowhere.

BigM

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

BigM wrote: »

What I get out of this thread is people want everything for free and God forbid a company needs to make money to keep something in the market.

First they complained the game should not be a subbed game it needs to go F2P. So they go B2P, so now they complain the crowns to buy stuff to enjoy the game is too expensive. Now we have come to where ZoS is doing some type of Jedi Mind trick to make you buy crowns.

Where did the parents of this generation go wrong in raising these kids where everything should be given to them.

Did you even read the thread? If you did, then your comprehension skills are very poor. You've got the neck to question the parenting of others when you yourself have glaring issues within your own post.

Nowhere has anyone said they should be getting stuff for free. Nowhere.

Oh I read it and I think you must have skipped over a few posts or you missed the one from @CrowsDescend. LOL this thread is a joke on how the company is making you spend money on it. I wonder what people would think a 100 crowns would cost them? 10 bucks? 5 bucks? Oh this company is so mean for charging what they do for crowns.

Belidos

Harasdar wrote: »

Why are hot dogs usually sold in cans of eight and hot dog buns in packs of six?

See, the thing is, life doesn't always work out according to plan so be happy with what you've got, because you can always get a hot dog.

Lenikus

Malediktus wrote: »

Wish there would be laws against using such psychology tricks.

There goes the economy then.

No mind control = No money being made = No jobs being created = No one buying stuff = No one investing in growth = People complain about poor economy advancement = They Blame Obama = Comunist comes to mind = Everyone dies.

Gerardopg

Just bust buy a lot of crowns, save for the new motif, the doc and I don't know maybe a pretty mount, in fact is cheaper just buy 5500 crowns package you get the doc for less money and you save for the next one

Malpherian

BlackEar wrote: »

Malediktus wrote: »

Wish there would be laws against using such psychology tricks.

Where is the LOL button when you need it?

Niastissa wrote: »

I hate the crown system. It obfuscates the price which is why they are doing it but then they make a item a lot of people are going to want a price that forces people to buy a extra amount of crowns.

Please remove the stupid crown system and just put prices on the stuff in dollars.

Now why would they do that? It only hurts their sales.
Keep it on Zenimax. Use the money you generate to improve the game. That is what the real fans want.

The problem is just this, if they were actually churning out content at a reasonable rate, I don't really think anyone would have an issue with these tactics.

The problem is that in 2 years ZOS has only proiduced:

1. A half finished incomplete, severely bugged unfinished game which forced people for the first 8 months to a year to pay for essentially "Beta Testing it".

And

2. Gimmick items for the aforementioned crown store, and a Single Piece of Content (Imperial City). Which honestly due to it's size is simply a "Miner" content addition, and not even remotely notable.


So ZOS is not producing quality content with the money. in fact they are producing very little if anything. I doubt well see another update for another year and once again it will be something minuscule and small.

Not to mention since it's release (Imperial City), there have been no advertisements, no road ahead development posts, no.. well nothing. ZOS has gone completely silent about future content and development.

Generally when a developer does this it means they have abandoned the game. So I seriously doubt well see much if anything ever again besides miner bug fixes and general maintenance. So no TG, no DB, No Spell Crafting, Nothing. What we have now is probably all we are going to get.

AhPook_Is_Here

Malpherian wrote: »

BlackEar wrote: »

Malediktus wrote: »

Wish there would be laws against using such psychology tricks.

Where is the LOL button when you need it?

Niastissa wrote: »

I hate the crown system. It obfuscates the price which is why they are doing it but then they make a item a lot of people are going to want a price that forces people to buy a extra amount of crowns.

Please remove the stupid crown system and just put prices on the stuff in dollars.

Now why would they do that? It only hurts their sales.
Keep it on Zenimax. Use the money you generate to improve the game. That is what the real fans want.

The problem is just this, if they were actually churning out content at a reasonable rate, I don't really think anyone would have an issue with these tactics.

The problem is that in 2 years ZOS has only proiduced:

1. A half finished incomplete, severely bugged unfinished game which forced people for the first 8 months to a year to pay for essentially "Beta Testing it".

And

2. Gimmick items for the aforementioned crown store, and a Single Piece of Content (Imperial City). Which honestly due to it's size is simply a "Miner" content addition, and not even remotely notable.


So ZOS is not producing quality content with the money. in fact they are producing very little if anything. I doubt well see another update for another year and once again it will be something minuscule and small.

Not to mention since it's release (Imperial City), there have been no advertisements, no road ahead development posts, no.. well nothing. ZOS has gone completely silent about future content and development.

Generally when a developer does this it means they have abandoned the game. So I seriously doubt well see much if anything ever again besides miner bug fixes and general maintenance. So no TG, no DB, No Spell Crafting, Nothing. What we have now is probably all we are going to get.

I always figured they were trying to pull a "Producers" (Mel Brooks) move since the start. 200m USD budget, child shell company to avoid liability to IPs and parent company, a half-assed jelope of a game and highly over-payed VO talent likely doing reverse greasing moves with producers. It would be interesting to see what salary the original executives were taking down in the years leading up to release. It has classic boondoggle written all over it, a retirement plan I can envy.

Acrolas

Some games do a lot of different price levels, but they're losing money on the smaller transactions because of processing and transaction fees. Like, 750 is $8 because of 50 cents in fees. They'd only make about 67 cents off 100 crowns for $1. So they'd charge $1.50. They'd only be making about 17 cents off 50 crowns for fifty cents. So they'd charge $1.

They're still losing a bit of money off the $15 pack, but that's an intentional loss leader as an alternative to a subscription.

They're making around $23 off the 3000 crown pack and $37 off the 5500 crown pack. If they had a 2500 crown pack for $20, they'd only be netting $18.50 off of it. So, realistically, as a business which would you rather have? The $18.50 or the $23?

The $23, of course. Because after the 2500 goes toward the game pack, the 500 left over combines with the 500 the game comes with to make 1000. Which guarantees at least one more crown store purchase. Each additional crown store purchase increases the likeliness of a person buying more crowns, so you want to aim for at least two purchases with a larger crown amount.

Some games like getting people hooked on the dollar model. But unless you're doing a tremendous volume, you're only making 67% of what you could be making. At least the ESO model has some sustainability to it, whether you agree with it or not.

AhPook_Is_Here

Acrolas wrote: »

Some games do a lot of different price levels, but they're losing money on the smaller transactions because of processing and transaction fees. Like, 750 is $8 because of 50 cents in fees. They'd only make about 67 cents off 100 crowns for $1. So they'd charge $1.50. They'd only be making about 17 cents off 50 crowns for fifty cents. So they'd charge $1.

They're still losing a bit of money off the $15 pack, but that's an intentional loss leader as an alternative to a subscription.

They're making around $23 off the 3000 crown pack and $37 off the 5500 crown pack. If they had a 2500 crown pack for $20, they'd only be netting $18.50 off of it. So, realistically, as a business which would you rather have? The $18.50 or the $23?

The $23, of course. Because after the 2500 goes toward the game pack, the 500 left over combines with the 500 the game comes with to make 1000. Which guarantees at least one more crown store purchase. Each additional crown store purchase increases the likeliness of a person buying more crowns, so you want to aim for at least two purchases with a larger crown amount.

Some games like getting people hooked on the dollar model. But unless you're doing a tremendous volume, you're only making 67% of what you could be making. At least the ESO model has some sustainability to it, whether you agree with it or not.

I get all that, but let me use another game as an example, one that also has a game inclusive currency that has no value beyond the game itself. Warframe provides a similar method to buy content but first, they have a huge selection of items to buy, hundreds of options. Next you can trade the currency with other players for things you want or need so that players who get items that others covet can sell them for the game's cash currency. Finally they have sales, promotions and are often (weekly and sometimes a few times a week) adding new content to their game. The core game you can play without buying anything but before too long you find yourself buying stuff just because you enjoy the game. I think I have spent more money in that game than ESO and I've bought $60 of their currency over the past 2 months.

It's not just that you have to buy overages in ESO, but they don't have a variety of compelling offerings for you to even use the currency on. If they did 300 crowns for 5 bucks or X crowns for $5 where x<375 I would likely bite, $5 granulation is fine, I don't need to buy 100 crown denominations. I would like to be able to trade the currency though with players if you will have to hold a balance. They can make this work for them too by selling guild specific items that members of a guild can contribute wildcard crown values to in order to complete, like a guild hall or mead hall or whatever, maybe a bard to sing of their victories?

Blade_07

Niastissa wrote: »

I hate the crown system. It obfuscates the price which is why they are doing it but then they make a item a lot of people are going to want a price that forces people to buy a extra amount of crowns.

Please remove the stupid crown system and just put prices on the stuff in dollars.

lmao...yeah they do that to make you pay more for it. AND the big reason is that they leave you with 500 crowns left over but 500 crowns dose not buy much so it makes you feel that you NEED to buy more crowns just so you can use that annoying 500 left over on something decent. Those 500 crowns act as a nag. Just my 2 cents. Also that kinda reminds me of the amount of hot dogs and the amount of hot dog buns not matching up. So your almost forced to buy an extra package of the item your shorted out of. Same thing with batteries as well. Just a fricken scam. I refuse to play zenimax's money game!

Appleblade

Gotta love all these kids who think they have the entirety of the infinite multiverse and all the deep mysteries of the conscious sapient mind figured out better than learned experts in many fields who still debate this stuff.

On topic: I don't get the psychological argument behind crowns. People were pretty happy when Microsoft points went away. The single reason I don't buy anything on the Crown Store is what OP stated- you can't get the blocks of crowns to fit evenly to what you want.

At least with MS points I could spend the leftovers on an avatar outfit or some cosmetic extra in a game. There was lots of stuff that cost a buck or less in points.

Appleblade

Mitchblue wrote: »

Harasdar wrote: »

Why are hot dogs usually sold in cans of eight and hot dog buns in packs of six?

I think you can get 8 across the board now but back in the day you needed to buy 3 packs of 'dogs and 4 packs of buns to even it out.

Was buying hot dogs for holiday BBQ this week. Some of the flat packages have only seven hot dogs. The dual layer ones are all 4x2. They must think if they have them flat in a row people won't notice the shortfall.

tplink3r1

Malediktus wrote: »

Wish there would be laws against using such psychology tricks.

Socialists...

Blade_07

Appleblade wrote: »

Gotta love all these kids who think they have the entirety of the infinite multiverse and all the deep mysteries of the conscious sapient mind figured out better than learned experts in many fields who still debate this stuff.

Wow, I love all those big words you used in that statement! I'm very impressed with your obvious high intellect son.

Blade_07

Appleblade wrote: »

Mitchblue wrote: »

Harasdar wrote: »

Why are hot dogs usually sold in cans of eight and hot dog buns in packs of six?

I think you can get 8 across the board now but back in the day you needed to buy 3 packs of 'dogs and 4 packs of buns to even it out.

Was buying hot dogs for holiday BBQ this week. Some of the flat packages have only seven hot dogs. The dual layer ones are all 4x2. They must think if they have them flat in a row people won't notice the shortfall.

lol, yeah indeed. ^^

Warraxx

"WHY DON’T HOT DOGS AND HOT DOG BUNS COME IN PACKS OF EQUAL NUMBER?"