Stop with the healer/dps builds

BRogueNZ

Yeah.. nah

Corpsage

OP, I encountered this today while running the Vet Wayrest Sewers pledge I encountered a healer who would not stop trying to jesus beam everything. It was like he forgot he came to heal and just wanted to spam that friggin beam on enemies nowhere near their execute point. This caused not only me but two of my other party members to all die at various points during the instance and even when being called on it and told "you NEED to heal you're a HEALER" he was insistent that he was maintaining heals while casting yeezus beam. So infuriating. With all this IC madness the repair costs have just been f***in brutal. ZOS please nerf repair costs.

Minno

Corpsage wrote: »

OP, I encountered this today while running the Vet Wayrest Sewers pledge I encountered a healer who would not stop trying to jesus beam everything. It was like he forgot he came to heal and just wanted to spam that friggin beam on enemies nowhere near their execute point. This caused not only me but two of my other party members to all die at various points during the instance and even when being called on it and told "you NEED to heal you're a HEALER" he was insistent that he was maintaining heals while casting yeezus beam. So infuriating. With all this IC madness the repair costs have just been f***in brutal. ZOS please nerf repair costs.

That's not a good healer

Argument should be a healer can throw DPS while maintaining health of his allies.

It may not be the best DPS but it can hurt enough to contribute.

Roselle

TiiZzArD xx wrote: »

I'm a dedicated support player and a pure healer but it really is beginning to bug me that half the "healers" in pvp are getting kill greedy. We aren't ment to do damage and you're not helping by doing low dps. If you want to help, use combat prayer to buff damage for your squad.

I know healing can get boring but if you're a "healer" stick to healing and support. If you want kills just switch to dps.

Pick a side.

So you're saying healers should be limited to only being your support b**ch?

Excuse me while I want to help you kill your opponents and try to heal you while you're probably standing in bad.

DarthSeverus394

http://www.sypherpk.com/templar-magicka-pvp-build/

Ill just leave this here, rookie.
Disclaimer: Outside of pvp, if youre healer prioritizes dps above healing it can be frustrating. I.e. wastes magic on dps instead of saving you from dying. Thats why ya gotta find a good healer. Which is rare. As stated, they get no love. The templar class in general gets no love. So if you find one, friend him. If you run no dps at all in pvp, you must die a lot. Which I can imagine is frustrating as well.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Yea sorry but I have to agree healers are meant to heal. Sure it is nice to have a little bit extra damage but when I healed (don't any more DK healers good healers) I was 100% healer that's what I focused on and what healers should focus on. Half the reason being cause it is a healers job to stay back and heal other half is well..... glass DPS ... kinda makes the group fall apart when either the "healer" is to focused on DPSing to heal us or immeatly dies cause they rushed in to pull all the adds cause they want the kills instead of doing the smart thing of letting the tank AKA meat shield go in first. ( Go meat shields )

newtinmpls

Saddiq wrote: »

Forgot to mention, I can't imagine doing IC as full healer. .

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
- Hamlet (1.5.167-8), Hamlet to Horatio

Shunravi

TiiZzArD xx wrote: »

I'm a dedicated support player and a pure healer but it really is beginning to bug me that half the "healers" in pvp are getting kill greedy. We aren't ment to do damage and you're not helping by doing low dps. If you want to help, use combat prayer to buff damage for your squad.

I know healing can get boring but if you're a "healer" stick to healing and support. If you want kills just switch to dps.

Pick a side.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
- Hamlet (1.5.167-8), Hamlet to Horatio

@newtinmpls good quote

Zyle

IF healers only healed...and tanks only tanked...and dps' only dps'd...1vX would be a loooot easier xD

EliteGunner_PSN

Saddiq wrote: »

Tricky position. If you talk to a lot of end-game users, they'll say vet DSA, 'vet' Trials, etc. all but require their healers to contribute to dps. My last run of DSA I was asked to essentially be a third DPS and had all 3 other members ask me to add specific things too my build to support their dpsing. I ended up stumbling on a new build I kind of liked--and I have been an exclusive healer until very recently. Biting jabs, for example, which contributes nothing to group healing, was requested of me and then on Teamspeak I was tasked with taking out large amounts of adds with it alone, having to heal on the side.

I've done a lot of Trials and have never had this be the case. Vet DSA I've only ever had it where they ask the healer to off-tank, especially on that last boss.

If you've got the room for it though, no reason to not have stabbity-stabs or jesus beam.

a.skelton92

I agree. Kids do not like to commit in games with classes. They always end up complaining on the forums asking questions such as "why can 'x' class do this but 'x' cannot". This game feels like it was made for those kids that wanted to play a 'priest' but wonder why they cannot do what a warrior can do.

Hence why you end up with these mish mash vampire archer healer tank rogue wolf chefs going around. It is there for those that want to do EVERYTHING. I use the word 'kid' more to describe that kind of mentality.

ToRelax

bchulettub17_ESO wrote: »

IF healers only healed...and tanks only tanked...and dps' only dps'd...1vX would be a loooot easier xD

Very true.

SneaK

I see it the total opposite, in PvP you're next to useless without DPS....

Saturn

How very pretentious of you to tell people how to play the game people will play how they want regardless of effectiveness.

Francescolg

Eric Wroebel has said in a recent video on 1.7 that healing players outside the group will not be rewarded with telwar-stones. I''ll cite him, as I can remember him terrificly well: "What if the player (who just got Telwar-Stones by killing s.o.) doesn't want to be healed?". See the logic!? So, the "universal healer role" is NOT WANTED, because each single heal you cast on players may be not requested and sth. negative!

His statement about healing players, which are not in the same group, was negative and anti-healer, so that I'd not wonder, if most healers went over to do damage. This is the only way to be rewarded as healer in IC. It s.cks but if healing (outside our own group) is not offered rewards, why should we do it at all!? Because we are nice guys and heal everybody?

Before the last patch, healing players that are not in my own group, was rewarding. You would not get rich but at least you got some % of their killing AP (even better before 1.6). Now, healing "stranger" players will not be rewarded at all.

rb2001

To be honest, I understand the sentiment, especially when the other group members are depending on the healer.

I play a pure healer, but since everything comes from and buffs the same pools in ESO, and because only one bar uses a Restoration staff, it only makes sense to put the second bar toward damage.

My second bar is all damage-siphoning, and so while attacking, I am still healing myself and everyone around me.


The idea of pure-can-only-do-one-thing-and-fill-my-place-in-the-group roles is flawed when you really think about it.

Imagine a secret agent or SEAL or something that's really good at fist fighting but can't drive a car, can't read very well, isn't very smart--yeah, this isn't a very realistic example, but that's kind of my point. He/she has to be good at everything. You can't just be good at one thing and then have a bunch of Achilles' Heals or things that you cannot do without someone else with you.


Every player in ESO is a warrior (outside of players RPing as something else, crafters, etc.). I'm talking about our characters we bring into combat. They are warriors. They need to be well rounded, and hold their own because the situation changes all the time, constantly.

If my pure healer is in IC being attacked, okay great, she can heal herself from the damage caused, but then what? Scream "Oh I don't have a tank or DPS with me, what am I going to do? Help, lady in distress!"? Well, that's one possible route, or bring some soldiers with her, sure, but it makes more sense for her to be able to stand her own ground when pressed.

kojou

I use my Templar for healing, DPS, and light tanking in non-vet White Gold Tower. Usually not all 3 at the same time, but she does all three roles quite well. Honestly if all I did was heal with my Templar I would get very bored. Even if I am in a spamming Healing Springs phase I also throw blazing spears at enemies in between.

The one place where I agree with the OP is with Radiant Oppression (or whatever morph you took). I have seen Templar healers wipe groups at the last 10% of a boss' health because they wanted to execute too. I wish healers would not slot that one...

My 2 cents.

jerzey_gamer

One of the main drawing points of this game is the level of flexibility and customization that's available - and the devs encourage players to experiment with different combinations of skills, attribute points, etc. That to me is the beauty of the game. While there may be certain "builds" that players tend to gravitate to, there's by no means "cookie cutter" builds by WoW standards. Experimenting with all the different options has turned out to be one of favorite qualities of the game. Getting far in any aspect in life is usually going to require thinking outside the box a bit - try it out.

WillhelmBlack

Yes please just stand there healing so I know who to kill first.

There's some ridiculous threads in these forums the last couple of days, this one and the nerf puncturing sweep thread are spectacular.

Vyle_Byte

Francescolg wrote: »

It s.cks but if healing (outside our own group) is not offered rewards, why should we do it at all!? Because we are nice guys and heal everybody?

Before the last patch, healing players that are not in my own group, was rewarding. You would not get rich but at least you got some % of their killing AP (even better before 1.6). Now, healing "stranger" players will not be rewarded at all.

I dunno about you, but I don't play a healer for the rewards. I heal because I love to do it. Not that I am disagreeing, its dumb, we should be rewarded for keeping people alive even not in our group. Just saying, it doesn't matter to me in the slightest if I get a reward for healing the guys fighting next to me that aren't in my group. I heal because its a passion. Its something I absolutely love to do. The healer in me wont let someone next to me die just bc Im not getting rewarded for it lol!

To the OP, while I get what your saying to a point, I will always add in some dps if I can. Why? Because I can and because people DO expect healers to dps. Just standing around healing isnt always helpful. Better if you can help kill AND be a fkn superhero healing.

Cathexis

TiiZzArD xx wrote: »

I'm a dedicated support player and a pure healer but it really is beginning to bug me that half the "healers" in pvp are getting kill greedy. We aren't ment to do damage and you're not helping by doing low dps. If you want to help, use combat prayer to buff damage for your squad.

I know healing can get boring but if you're a "healer" stick to healing and support. If you want kills just switch to dps.

Pick a side.

1. No I'll play how I want to.

2. My build only works with healing/twohand.

AbraXuSeXile

Rip bombplar

danno8

Even the most dedicated healer should be able to throw out a Purifying Light every 7 seconds. It's a nice 15-20k spike for 1 GCD if you are in any remotely capable group of 2+.

Darlgon

Francescolg wrote: »

Eric Wroebel has said in a recent video on 1.7 that healing players outside the group will not be rewarded with telwar-stones. I''ll cite him, as I can remember him terrificly well: "What if the player (who just got Telwar-Stones by killing s.o.) doesn't want to be healed?". See the logic!? So, the "universal healer role" is NOT WANTED, because each single heal you cast on players may be not requested and sth. negative!

His statement about healing players, which are not in the same group, was negative and anti-healer, so that I'd not wonder, if most healers went over to do damage. This is the only way to be rewarded as healer in IC. It s.cks but if healing (outside our own group) is not offered rewards, why should we do it at all!? Because we are nice guys and heal everybody?

Before the last patch, healing players that are not in my own group, was rewarding. You would not get rich but at least you got some % of their killing AP (even better before 1.6). Now, healing "stranger" players will not be rewarded at all.

Eric said a LOT of disturbing things. Sometimes, I think he says what comes to mind, not necessarily considering how it sounds.

I HAVE healed outside group and gotten TV stones tho. He and Rich covered that also in the same show, I think, right before that comment. That the top 12 damage MAKERS on the list got TV stones.. then they muttered something about healing. I took that as a comment that the mobs list included both DPS and healing. Poor tank types.

Francescolg

Darlgon wrote: »

I HAVE healed outside group and gotten TV stones tho

I am happy to hear this, since the rewards for healing players outside your group in pvp got changed/nurfed several times after release. Think about details like 'healing fall damage', which was no longer possible after 1.5 or 1.6.

Long time ago, when I healed a player in between or immediately after a fight, I'd get sth. like 250 AP of his 1 or 2k, that he got for his kill. Imo, they nurfed this % several times for the worse. E. Wroebel's comment on healers was like the nail in the coffin for my casual-solo templar playstyle :-(

Bhakura

Imho

going to pvp without any form of heal is STUPID
going to pvp without any form of damage equally so

no matter what game you play

Oh_Skrivva

OP, I think the healer you ran with is bad.

1. He used Jesus beam when target isn't even in execute phase
2. Even if target is in execute phase and he is using Jesus beam. All he has to do is break channel with block than heal again.

I run a healer/dps build and have no problem keeping team mates alive. But I also know when I should be dpsing and when I should be healing.

Don't have one player ruin your perspective of others.

Zlater

If you're a healer you know the frustrations that healers go through. On my temp half of my skills are Dps or support skills a couple HoT's and BoL. I solo most group content in PvE and it's great fun. But when you join a pug and your tank keeps going squish, your stams don't know what aoe is, and you have magicka DD's that take the glass cannon approach to the next level, at some point I stop mashing BoL, start jabbing and if the tank dies then I use innerfire to protect the DPS. I can keep your health up, but if the DPS doesn't have enough damage, and the tank can't tank, then you're not in a group, youre soloing content with dead weight. So you adapt to fit your group. That's also why I carry vr1 food around.

If your healer is in the position where they are doing lots of dps it's for 2 reasons. The first is because the rest of the group isn't doing their jobs and the healer has to make up for it, the second is because the group is doing a great job and the healer needs something worthwhile to do. What are you telling your healer?

In PvP it's a different story, everybody has to do damage and everyone has to sustain themselves. If you're not, I really don't care so much, it makes it easier for me. PvP is competitive content, what were you hoping for? hugs and kisses?

I'm not saying every healer is great, but working in a group requires a group effort, the healer has to be the most flexible and the most ready to adapt. Healing someone from 100% to 100% or just standing around waiting for incoming damage isn't healing. But then what am I to say? People think the best healer is the one that makes the most flashing lights. -.- If you want to be a dedicated healer it's ok to do so, but I can't assure you that it'll ever be the best build for what you're doing.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Healbot/DPS in PVP and heal/DPS/tank in PVE here

I have a pretty similar build to Cinnamon Spider. Though I can tank a little in PvP. It's a pretty fun build!!!

On topic, OP we just can't survive doing just heals. Especially not in PvP, I need an aggro bar to defend myself and you should too. I've refined my DPS aggro bar so well I scare most other players into not attacking me if they have faced me before. Because they know what is coming to them if they try it(Detect pots help a lot for Healers too).

I mean, lets set the record straight, if your just healing you're already a target... If you have an aggro bar and you've beat'en the enemy back to where they die-- they will learn not to mess with you and your party. YOU ARE the back bone of keeping everyone alive, YOU DIE, EVERYONE DIES. We are a very big deal in group combat.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

My VR7 healer has 2 bars. One for healing and one for damage. I do 23K Magic damage before food so my Radiant Destruction hits for between 8K and like 27K depending on the variables. That's plenty to be a viable DPS even on a secondary bar.