Sorcs with 14k Shileds, Try To Kill Them

Panda_iMunch

Running around in the IC, I've noticed a few sorcs all running the same basic build all with 14k+ shields. As it stands, it takes many people to kill a single sorc (assuming he/she doesn't run away with endless spam of Blink). While it is nice that I don't get 2-shoted by these same people, they still seem to dominate pvp. The never being able to die seems to have also be exasperated with the Phoenix set. Anyone have a similar experience?

Xeven

Am Sorc. Can confirm.

MASTER RACE. Just set your stones on the ground and back away. Thanks for your cooperation.

Garion

I don't think I've come across a sorc in IC that I can't kill in a balanced fight as yet.

Edit: my point is, l2p. It's easier now than it ever has been to kill a sorc (and it was easy to kill 95% of them before).

Scyantific

Incorrect. I got killed twice last night. One while I was swimming back from grabbing a shard (whoever thought that snares and roots should apply in water needs to be shot), and the other was even with a 18k shield holding me up.

CC and Snares are incredibly good at countering shield spammers right now.

leepalmer95

Scyantific wrote: »

Incorrect. I got killed twice last night. One while I was swimming back from grabbing a shard (whoever thought that snares and roots should apply in water needs to be shot), and the other was even with a 18k shield holding me up.

CC and Snares are incredibly good at countering shield spammers right now.

They've always been just people just spam the same skill and wonder why they can't kill them.

Kobaal

Shieldbreaker Set.

Look into it.

Scyantific

Kobaal wrote: »

Shieldbreaker Set.

Look into it.

This too.

Of course then the new sorc meta will be "Streak x2, Retreating Maneuver and pop a v15 tri-pot and run like you stole something."

I tried out Sypher's insta-gib build for sorcs and had a blast murdering people with it.

Pirhana7_ESO

Panda_iMunch wrote: »

Running around in the IC, I've noticed a few sorcs all running the same basic build all with 14k+ shields. As it stands, it takes many people to kill a single sorc (assuming he/she doesn't run away with endless spam of Blink). While it is nice that I don't get 2-shoted by these same people, they still seem to dominate pvp. The never being able to die seems to have also be exasperated with the Phoenix set. Anyone have a similar experience?

First, What is Blink?

The way i fight shield sorcs is by attacking their stamina, use skills that make them break free and run out of stamina, then once they cannot cc break a stun unloakd and kill them.

byrom101b16_ESO

Sorcs CANNOT be killed?

Well shiiiit, I want the TV stones I lost today to that PvP'er who ambushed me - he/she was obviously using some kind of exploit!

Get some more experience and come back to this thread in a month and hang your head in shame - spouting this rubbish just because YOU can't do it the same way you did it before the patch...

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Are you kidding me? Shields are trash now. At least for players that have an outside life and dont have 300 CP to fully unlock bastion.

my shield is about 7k. that won't even stop a wrecking blow, and the unmitigated damage will hit me. Yeah I could run a magicka stacking build and get it a bit higher but i doubt I will get it back to where it was in the last patch even with 100 points in bastion.

Waffennacht

Blink is bolt.

Its called blink because its slang stemming from mtg card with that name. Oh blink, how good you were before they changed damage on the stack...

Anyway... I must say there are builds of all classes that are uber good. Its really quite varried.

I also want to comment of the blinking away sorcs. If they are running you should count it as a win ive let enemies flee before me, its cool!

Dr_Ganknstein

Garion wrote: »

I don't think I've come across a sorc in IC that I can't kill in a balanced fight as yet.

Edit: my point is, l2p. It's easier now than it ever has been to kill a sorc (and it was easy to kill 95% of them before).

Lastobeth - VR14 Sorc - PvP Rank 41

Kupoking

Time for me to get that shield breaker set everyone went crazy about.

marco.cuevas.ventob14_ESO

Panda_iMunch wrote: »

Running around in the IC, I've noticed a few sorcs all running the same basic build all with 14k+ shields. As it stands, it takes many people to kill a single sorc (assuming he/she doesn't run away with endless spam of Blink). While it is nice that I don't get 2-shoted by these same people, they still seem to dominate pvp. The never being able to die seems to have also be exasperated with the Phoenix set. Anyone have a similar experience?

lol PVP so broken glad I didn't renew my subscription

Scyantific

marco.cuevas.ventob14_ESO wrote: »

Panda_iMunch wrote: »

Running around in the IC, I've noticed a few sorcs all running the same basic build all with 14k+ shields. As it stands, it takes many people to kill a single sorc (assuming he/she doesn't run away with endless spam of Blink). While it is nice that I don't get 2-shoted by these same people, they still seem to dominate pvp. The never being able to die seems to have also be exasperated with the Phoenix set. Anyone have a similar experience?

lol PVP so broken glad I didn't renew my subscription

It is broken, just not as bad as this guy is making it out to be. He's just whining because he can't one-shot a sorc like he used to pre 1.7

PvP is broken in that it doesn't punish unawareness anymore. You can make mistakes and still stay in the game.

Docmandu

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Are you kidding me? Shields are trash now. At least for players that have an outside life and dont have 300 CP to fully unlock bastion.

my shield is about 7k. that won't even stop a wrecking blow, and the unmitigated damage will hit me. Yeah I could run a magicka stacking build and get it a bit higher but i doubt I will get it back to where it was in the last patch even with 100 points in bastion.

Have you ever wondered... If they are truly trash as you say, why do you still use them?!

leepalmer95

Docmandu wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Are you kidding me? Shields are trash now. At least for players that have an outside life and dont have 300 CP to fully unlock bastion.

my shield is about 7k. that won't even stop a wrecking blow, and the unmitigated damage will hit me. Yeah I could run a magicka stacking build and get it a bit higher but i doubt I will get it back to where it was in the last patch even with 100 points in bastion.

Have you ever wondered... If they are truly trash as you say, why do you still use them?!

Have you every played a sorc? no class heal, hardened ward is literally a sorc's only defence.

olsborg

Well my hardward is 10500 big, and I have 100 pts into bastion and 35k magicka, 14k hardward? hmmm kinda doubt it...

Kas

if you're a magicka user, just slot harness magicka yourself and play the sustain game. it's very winnable now with changes tio streak. if you're a stamina user, run shieldbreaker.

Zsymon

It is impossible to have a 14K Hardened Ward anymore, even with 100 points in Bastion. This "14K" number is just a myth someone propagated and everyone who wants to complain about Sorcs just copies it, even though it is completely false.

Also,

Magicka recovery got massively nerfed, with a green drink my Sorc went from 2300 magicka recovery, to 1500 after the patch, and that's with a vampire ability slotted. There is no way any Sorc can continuously spam shields anymore with these massive nerfs to recovery. Just keep hitting the Sorc, he'll run out of magicka and die. If he has a strong shield, he'll run out of magicka even faster.

I just shelved all my recovery-based characters and made a DK heavy attacking tank.

DisgracefulMind

I'm killing Sorcs just fine. In fact, I think they're more in line with this patch.

Master_Kas

Actually this patch most sorc's I've faught fall down after a while (cc them alot)

Good sorcs who know how to play their class is another thing, use shieldbreaker for them

Master_Kas

Zsymon wrote: »

It is impossible to have a 14K Hardened Ward anymore, even with 100 points in Bastion. This "14K" number is just a myth someone propagated and everyone who wants to complain about Sorcs just copies it, even though it is completely false.

Also,

Magicka recovery got massively nerfed, with a green drink my Sorc went from 2300 magicka recovery, to 1500 after the patch, and that's with a vampire ability slotted. There is no way any Sorc can continuously spam shields anymore with these massive nerfs to recovery. Just keep hitting the Sorc, he'll run out of magicka and die. If he has a strong shield, he'll run out of magicka even faster.

I just shelved all my recovery-based characters and made a DK heavy attacking tank.

I've heard this is some kind of bug from multiple people. It has happend to stamina builds aswell.
Hopefully ZOS has it fixed soon.

DisgracefulMind

Master_Kas wrote: »

Zsymon wrote: »

It is impossible to have a 14K Hardened Ward anymore, even with 100 points in Bastion. This "14K" number is just a myth someone propagated and everyone who wants to complain about Sorcs just copies it, even though it is completely false.

Also,

Magicka recovery got massively nerfed, with a green drink my Sorc went from 2300 magicka recovery, to 1500 after the patch, and that's with a vampire ability slotted. There is no way any Sorc can continuously spam shields anymore with these massive nerfs to recovery. Just keep hitting the Sorc, he'll run out of magicka and die. If he has a strong shield, he'll run out of magicka even faster.

I just shelved all my recovery-based characters and made a DK heavy attacking tank.

I've heard this is some kind of bug from multiple people. It has happend to stamina builds aswell.
Hopefully ZOS has it fixed soon.

Yep, I've noticed my recovery basically not working in IC on my magicka nightblade. *sigh*

Merlin13KAGL

Master_Kas wrote: »

Zsymon wrote: »

It is impossible to have a 14K Hardened Ward anymore, even with 100 points in Bastion. This "14K" number is just a myth someone propagated and everyone who wants to complain about Sorcs just copies it, even though it is completely false.

Also,

Magicka recovery got massively nerfed, with a green drink my Sorc went from 2300 magicka recovery, to 1500 after the patch, and that's with a vampire ability slotted. There is no way any Sorc can continuously spam shields anymore with these massive nerfs to recovery. Just keep hitting the Sorc, he'll run out of magicka and die. If he has a strong shield, he'll run out of magicka even faster.

I just shelved all my recovery-based characters and made a DK heavy attacking tank.

I've heard this is some kind of bug from multiple people. It has happend to stamina builds aswell.
Hopefully ZOS has it fixed soon.

Fully agree, @Master_Kas , full thread on it here.

Whether it's CP based or some internal calculation issue, sustain is definitely not what it was pre-patch for a lot of people.

Screen shot of any one of these 'many' Sorcs running around w/14k shields, please?

(And Harness doesn't count, I'm afraid, as it does nothing for physical damage.)

No one's endlessly spamming anything after this patch.

Garion

Icky wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

I don't think I've come across a sorc in IC that I can't kill in a balanced fight as yet.

Edit: my point is, l2p. It's easier now than it ever has been to kill a sorc (and it was easy to kill 95% of them before).

Lastobeth - VR14 Sorc - PvP Rank 41

Observant

Kobaal

dsalter

the issue is how good healing ward is. not hardened ward.

Docmandu

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Are you kidding me? Shields are trash now. At least for players that have an outside life and dont have 300 CP to fully unlock bastion.

my shield is about 7k. that won't even stop a wrecking blow, and the unmitigated damage will hit me. Yeah I could run a magicka stacking build and get it a bit higher but i doubt I will get it back to where it was in the last patch even with 100 points in bastion.

Have you ever wondered... If they are truly trash as you say, why do you still use them?!

Have you every played a sorc? no class heal, hardened ward is literally a sorc's only defence.

So you mean, it's a useful spell and not trash at all for a sorc!

And yes, I have a VR14 sorc and spam shields like all the rest of us since it's what makes us so OPed, that and our mobility.
BTW: we do have a class heal Dark Echange / Dark Deal.There used to be a time when most sorcs had it on their quickbar, until we noticed that we didn't have to bolt + dark deal no more and just face tank everything while spamming our shields.

ToRelax

Docmandu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Are you kidding me? Shields are trash now. At least for players that have an outside life and dont have 300 CP to fully unlock bastion.

my shield is about 7k. that won't even stop a wrecking blow, and the unmitigated damage will hit me. Yeah I could run a magicka stacking build and get it a bit higher but i doubt I will get it back to where it was in the last patch even with 100 points in bastion.

Have you ever wondered... If they are truly trash as you say, why do you still use them?!

Have you every played a sorc? no class heal, hardened ward is literally a sorc's only defence.

So you mean, it's a useful spell and not trash at all for a sorc!

And yes, I have a VR14 sorc and spam shields like all the rest of us since it's what makes us so OPed, that and our mobility.
BTW: we do have a class heal Dark Echange / Dark Deal.There used to be a time when most sorcs had it on their quickbar, until we noticed that we didn't have to bolt + dark deal no more and just face tank everything while spamming our shields.

Was always a bad skill except for kiting or a group large and strong enough to keep you alive with no stam.
The time when "most" Sorcs had it on their bar was when people didn't know to interrupt or cc lol.
Now it's hardly better than dragon blood. Have you seen a DK using it since 2.1? Rediculous.

iseko

ToRelax wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Are you kidding me? Shields are trash now. At least for players that have an outside life and dont have 300 CP to fully unlock bastion.

my shield is about 7k. that won't even stop a wrecking blow, and the unmitigated damage will hit me. Yeah I could run a magicka stacking build and get it a bit higher but i doubt I will get it back to where it was in the last patch even with 100 points in bastion.

Have you ever wondered... If they are truly trash as you say, why do you still use them?!

Have you every played a sorc? no class heal, hardened ward is literally a sorc's only defence.

So you mean, it's a useful spell and not trash at all for a sorc!

And yes, I have a VR14 sorc and spam shields like all the rest of us since it's what makes us so OPed, that and our mobility.
BTW: we do have a class heal Dark Echange / Dark Deal.There used to be a time when most sorcs had it on their quickbar, until we noticed that we didn't have to bolt + dark deal no more and just face tank everything while spamming our shields.

Was always a bad skill except for kiting or a group large and strong enough to keep you alive with no stam.
The time when "most" Sorcs had it on their bar was when people didn't know to interrupt or cc lol.
Now it's hardly better than dragon blood. Have you seen a DK using it since 2.1? Rediculous.

@ToRelax dark deal is no longer a channel. Its instant cast now. Pretty cost effective too. Too bad it only heals for 1.5 k or so in pvp...

EDIT: I do have it on my bar atm. But Im trying a sorc build that does not use shields... So... Yea. We will see how well that turns out xD