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Honor the Dead "buff"
Cinbri
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Just wanted to show fellow templars some info:
ZOS promised to buff currently unusable Rushed Ceremony' morph Honor the Dead. So morph was buffed with triggering mana proc from 50% to 75%(with new PvP meta it is hard to call it a buff).
However playing the last days of 2.1 PTS and fount something interesting:
Compare this screen of Live(left) and PTS(right)morph(same Attributes/naked/no CP):
Not sure where this increased magicka cost came from, butI think just like me you won't notice any big difference however look more carefull and you will see that 15%-18% mana return from live transformed into 12%-15% mana return on pts. It means that full return now loosing 12% of mana return - from live 72% to new 60%. And since i didn't found anything in patchnotes - ninja-nerf.
So, result: while buffing morph, ZOS also nerfed it. I not surprised, that long-awaited buff to useless morph also accompanied with ninja-nerf. Nuff to add, just:
#Nerfplars
Edited by Cinbri on August 30, 2015 3:17PM ZOS promised to buff currently unusable Rushed Ceremony' morph Honor the Dead. So morph was buffed with triggering mana proc from 50% to 75%(with new PvP meta it is hard to call it a buff).
However playing the last days of 2.1 PTS and fount something interesting:
Compare this screen of Live(left) and PTS(right)morph(same Attributes/naked/no CP):
Not sure where this increased magicka cost came from, butI think just like me you won't notice any big difference however look more carefull and you will see that 15%-18% mana return from live transformed into 12%-15% mana return on pts. It means that full return now loosing 12% of mana return - from live 72% to new 60%. And since i didn't found anything in patchnotes - ninja-nerf.
So, result: while buffing morph, ZOS also nerfed it. I not surprised, that long-awaited buff to useless morph also accompanied with ninja-nerf. Nuff to add, just:
#Nerfplars
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✭4432 -> 8435.
But it said that the bigger healing is due to his stuff.
It should be interesting to see the base value (naked without any buff) in live and pts.0 -
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✭✭More cost means bigger numbers on return. Even if it's 15% now. From the first glance looks balanced.Edited by Anhedonie on August 30, 2015 2:40PMProfanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.0 -
Kaliki✭✭✭✭More cost means bigger numbers on return. Even if it's 15% now. From the first glance looks balanced.
He already said that the cost and healing value is based on different gear.
What logic is this that higher cost means higher return? So should it cost 10k magicka so you can get a whopping 1.5k return?
Less % returned means less % returned.
The OP has a perfectly valid point that this change should at least be documented in the patch notes if it is intended.Edited by Kaliki on August 30, 2015 2:47PM- Templars: Slower by Design® -4 -
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✭✭✭✭My fault, edit post with more accurate info with same Attr/naked/no CP invested. Seems something weirds in mechanic also coz mana cost slightly incresed on pts.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭More Templar nerfs not noted in the patch notes?
In other news, the sun rose this morning...2 -
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I know: they also changed word "target" to "ally", so know you can proc mana return on ally onlyJoy_Division wrote: »More Templar nerfs not noted in the patch notes?
In other news, the sun rose this morning...
(unlike rest info, this is joke)
Edited by Cinbri on August 30, 2015 3:35PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Still a useless skill in any PvP.
If it always healed you + 1 other target it may be more useful, but just 1 target that might not even be you? Absolutely terrible since BoL can do 3x the healing.
The only situation this is better than BoL is if you are running 100% solo in PvP, and actively looking to avoid any allies at all.
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I know: they also changed word "target" to "ally", so know you can proc mana return on ally onlyJoy_Division wrote: »More Templar nerfs not noted in the patch notes?
In other news, the sun rose this morning... (unlike rest info, this is joke)
Oh lol I just read this, now the mana return won't even work on you if you are running solo. So much for my "1 viable scenario" lol. (unless this is not the case, and ally still means "you" also.)Edited by danno8 on August 30, 2015 5:04PM0 -
FireCowCommando✭✭✭✭✭Look at the bright side, with all these templar changes like eclipse and honor the dead, ZoS can now let us know they are infact looking at templars.
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Ally seems to be the general term for "every one who doesn't turn red when you look at them".Still a useless skill in any PvP.
If it always healed you + 1 other target it may be more useful, but just 1 target that might not even be you? Absolutely terrible since BoL can do 3x the healing.
The only situation this is better than BoL is if you are running 100% solo in PvP, and actively looking to avoid any allies at all.
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I know: they also changed word "target" to "ally", so know you can proc mana return on ally onlyJoy_Division wrote: »More Templar nerfs not noted in the patch notes?
In other news, the sun rose this morning... (unlike rest info, this is joke)
Oh lol I just read this, now the mana return won't even work on you if you are running solo. So much for my "1 viable scenario" lol. (unless this is not the case, and ally still means "you" also.)
Should still trigger on you from what i understand when it comes to ZOS terminology.Mending-The-Wounded, Aldmeri Dominion, Templar.0 -
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Ye, it is still triggering on you, i just joked about it. Still new description is misleading.Fizzlewizzle wrote: »
Ally seems to be the general term for "every one who doesn't turn red when you look at them".Still a useless skill in any PvP.
If it always healed you + 1 other target it may be more useful, but just 1 target that might not even be you? Absolutely terrible since BoL can do 3x the healing.
The only situation this is better than BoL is if you are running 100% solo in PvP, and actively looking to avoid any allies at all.
Edit:
I know: they also changed word "target" to "ally", so know you can proc mana return on ally onlyJoy_Division wrote: »More Templar nerfs not noted in the patch notes?
In other news, the sun rose this morning... (unlike rest info, this is joke)
Oh lol I just read this, now the mana return won't even work on you if you are running solo. So much for my "1 viable scenario" lol. (unless this is not the case, and ally still means "you" also.)
Should still trigger on you from what i understand when it comes to ZOS terminology.
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On seriuos note, HtD still proc on you, but Mutagen has "allies" word in it and 20% hp burst heal works only on allies, not on you.Fizzlewizzle wrote: »
Ally seems to be the general term for "every one who doesn't turn red when you look at them".Still a useless skill in any PvP.
If it always healed you + 1 other target it may be more useful, but just 1 target that might not even be you? Absolutely terrible since BoL can do 3x the healing.
The only situation this is better than BoL is if you are running 100% solo in PvP, and actively looking to avoid any allies at all.
Edit:
I know: they also changed word "target" to "ally", so know you can proc mana return on ally onlyJoy_Division wrote: »More Templar nerfs not noted in the patch notes?
In other news, the sun rose this morning... (unlike rest info, this is joke)
Oh lol I just read this, now the mana return won't even work on you if you are running solo. So much for my "1 viable scenario" lol. (unless this is not the case, and ally still means "you" also.)
Should still trigger on you from what i understand when it comes to ZOS terminology.1 -
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I know: they also changed word "target" to "ally", so know you can proc mana return on ally onlyJoy_Division wrote: »More Templar nerfs not noted in the patch notes?
In other news, the sun rose this morning... (unlike rest info, this is joke)
Everywhere it says ally you are also affected by the buff. Like in the rapid regen tooltip. It says heal up to 2 nearby allies but it still applies to yourselfPC,EU, EP
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I know as i said i just joking. But still ally not always mean you cozSpringt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »
I know: they also changed word "target" to "ally", so know you can proc mana return on ally onlyJoy_Division wrote: »More Templar nerfs not noted in the patch notes?
In other news, the sun rose this morning... (unlike rest info, this is joke)
Everywhere it says ally you are also affected by the buff. Like in the rapid regen tooltip. It says heal up to 2 nearby allies but it still applies to yourselfbut Mutagen has "proc on allies" word in it and 20% hp burst heal from Mutagen works only on allies, not on you.
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✭Love that the reduction in magic returned change was not in the patch notes. #Nerfplars indeed0
