Vigor - Magicka Morph Poll

Araxleon

Yay

leepalmer95 wrote: »

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

So, magicka players have to use a restoration staff to get heal. Well, stamina players have to use weapons to deal damage. Why don't stamina players have access to more class skills? Fix this first, and give stamina players a stamina version of detonation, then we can talk about having a magicka version of vigor.

strikeback1247

Nay

How about we have all the magicka based heals and shields also have a stamina morph?

Volkodav

Why co

Araxleon wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

I mean you are using healing ward as a NB, which means you are using a resto staff, which you have combat prayer as an insta heal you have available to your self

because I have resto...thats the point...we HAVE to use resto, same with most sorcs.

Like I said magicka version of vigor would mean better combinations..

Odd.My NB uses both a Destructive staff and a Frostbow.I never use the Res staffs,and she just rolls over everyone else so far.I see no problem as is..

leepalmer95

Yay

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Why co

Araxleon wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

I mean you are using healing ward as a NB, which means you are using a resto staff, which you have combat prayer as an insta heal you have available to your self

because I have resto...thats the point...we HAVE to use resto, same with most sorcs.

Like I said magicka version of vigor would mean better combinations..

Odd.My NB uses both a Destructive staff and a Frostbow.I never use the Res staffs,and she just rolls over everyone else so far.I see no problem as is..

How do you heal?

Rune_Relic

Nay

I know what you are saying and why. It makes perfect sense.

BUT....
Do we really want to continue down the road where there is only 1 viable skill for healing, 1 viable skill for DPS etc.
ZOS cant keep shoving in quick fix "GOTO" bodges to make some kind of behemoth patchwork monster.
They need to get with the program and actually create balanced viable skills for all classes and builds.

I for one am sick of seeing FOTM clone builds as it is...but there is becoming less and less choice in the matter.

Araxleon

Yay

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Why co

Araxleon wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

I mean you are using healing ward as a NB, which means you are using a resto staff, which you have combat prayer as an insta heal you have available to your self

because I have resto...thats the point...we HAVE to use resto, same with most sorcs.

Like I said magicka version of vigor would mean better combinations..

Odd.My NB uses both a Destructive staff and a Frostbow.I never use the Res staffs,and she just rolls over everyone else so far.I see no problem as is..

I know not everyone uses a restoration staff but ~most~ people do
Logically if you had restoration staff you would have more surviablity, but if vigor had a magicka morph your frostbow and destro would be ALOT better and wouldn't require restoration staff.

A strong Dragon Knight using hit reflective scales would counter your only healing which would be swallow soul I assume and sap essence cannot outheal the damage and if they had a detect pot you would be dead.

Araxleon

Yay

leepalmer95 wrote: »

WhiskeyRiver.AZub17_ESO wrote: »

Why co

Araxleon wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

I mean you are using healing ward as a NB, which means you are using a resto staff, which you have combat prayer as an insta heal you have available to your self

because I have resto...thats the point...we HAVE to use resto, same with most sorcs.

Like I said magicka version of vigor would mean better combinations..

Odd.My NB uses both a Destructive staff and a Frostbow.I never use the Res staffs,and she just rolls over everyone else so far.I see no problem as is..

How do you heal?

Swallow Soul/Sap Essence... Which honestly isnt a reliable heal.

Riga_Mortis

Nay

Shield stacking sorc with magicka based vigor = game breaking god mode.

olsborg

Yay

Nifty2g wrote: »

Why would you need a magic morph with all the heals magic has atm

Think he already covered that, restoration staff only basicly.

olsborg

Yay

Nifty2g wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Why would you need a magic morph with all the heals magic has atm

Well both sorc + nb don't have class heals ^^ , they do have resto heals because of that there pretty must a must.

Funnel / Swallow Soul, Soul Tether and Sap Essence for a nightblade
Sorcs got dat big shield and healing ward (available for all magic users)

Do you pvp much? NBs heals are ***, utter ***. Sorcs got no viable class heal, and the entire point of this poll was to be able to eliminate the restoration staff from builds. *Wooosh* over your head...

leepalmer95

Yay

Dazza1968 wrote: »

Shield stacking sorc with magicka based vigor = game breaking god mode.

How so?

Leandor

Nay

olsborg wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Why would you need a magic morph with all the heals magic has atm

Well both sorc + nb don't have class heals ^^ , they do have resto heals because of that there pretty must a must.

Funnel / Swallow Soul, Soul Tether and Sap Essence for a nightblade
Sorcs got dat big shield and healing ward (available for all magic users)

Do you pvp much? NBs heals are ***, utter ***. Sorcs got no viable class heal, and the entire point of this poll was to be able to eliminate the restoration staff from builds. *Wooosh* over your head...

My personal view on the point of this topic and all those similar ones: They (respectively their authors) just try to eliminate all and every distinctive playstyle. Magicka healing without resto? Roll a darn templar, mate. That's a big part of what that class is about. Stop taking every bit that makes a certain style unique and demand it to be available for everyone.

The only discussion about Vigor that has any merit to it is the question whether or not it should be a group heal (which I think should not be the case) and whether it should be the only stackable hot ingame (which I think should not be the case).

Forestd16b14_ESO

Nay

Sorry but I don't see the point that's one of the reason why Virgo is so popular and why some players cried to ZOS to amke it unlocked at rank 5 Assault is cause it was a stamina based heal. Only other one in the game is rally (momentum morph from the 2H skill line) and vigor is much much better than rally form larger heals and AOE heals so hopefully players will cut back on rally and 2H use.

Septimus_Magna

Yay

Or make one morph scale off health and consume stamina, that would be nice for non-temp magicka tanks.

Auricle

Nay

Nah. I play three magicka toons and even I say no. Let the stammies have this one. They're getting beat down enough with this dodge roll change.

21jws10

@leepalmer95 totally agree, btw you PvPing in BWB atm? Could use a group dependent on what you want.

dday3six

Nay

Magicka doesn't need to have a direct equivalent of everything has Stamina has. They need different approaches to achieve the same ends. There needs to be give and take. The choice to go either Stamina or Magicka should not just be boil down to usage of the same skills with different morphs.

21jws10

Sorry but, if we can have stamina sorcs we can have magicka based vigor. (This is coming from someone who uses stamina builds and despises magic based stuff most of the time.)

JDar

Yay

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

JDar wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Why would you need a magic morph with all the heals magic has atm

Well both sorc + nb don't have class heals ^^ , they do have resto heals because of that there pretty must a must.

Funnel / Swallow Soul, Soul Tether and Sap Essence for a nightblade
Sorcs got dat big shield and healing ward (available for all magic users)

I agree with Nifty. I don't know why people say nightblade has no self-heals. Stife and Sap are great. Funnel Health is the most untouchable thing on my bar, along with Mass Hysteria and Shadowy Disguise.

That's magicka, what about Stamina Nightblade's. Soul Tether is the only one. Then we have to use Rally and Vigor.

If you want magical healing abilities then you should make your build strong in magicka. Seems to me like most stamina users want to have OP weapon abilities but at the same time think it's unfair they don't have access to powerful magical abilities.

Fizzlewizzle

Yay

I'd say yes, simply because i find that heals should originally be Magicka based skills.
(Follows the same rule as how i think Shields should be based on Health, instead of Magicka or Stamina.)

Heals and support should be based on magicka and possibly health regen.

Offense should be based on Magicka or Stamina + Weapon or Spell damage.

Shields should be based on Health and Physical/ Spell Resistance.

Would create the most balance in my opinion.
Currently you have certain builds being OP because everything is tied to the same stats.
With Vigor coming down to Rank 5 the same might happen for certain Stamina builds.
(I'm happy its coming down, simply because i now have an extra heal as a healer...)

DigitalShibby

Nay

Araxleon wrote: »

Not all classes have proper healing built in adding a magicka morph to vigor could do alot to let magicka builds be viable.

Its a good thing that not all classes have proper healing built in.

UltimaJoe777

I take back what I said about Nightblades but not entirely. Refreshing Path is a useful recovery move that doesn't require striking an enemy but it does force a morph choice and restricts you to the path to get the healing.

leepalmer95

Yay

DigitalShibby wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

Not all classes have proper healing built in adding a magicka morph to vigor could do alot to let magicka builds be viable.

Its a good thing that not all classes have proper healing built in.

But heals are a 'magical' type of skill, how is someone mean't to heal with stamina xD.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Yay

I only run a few Magicka builds so normally I would say NAY, but I am all about choice so I don't have a problem with it.

SirCritical

Yay

I suggest swallow soul to be stamina based. The other morph (Funnel Health) is good for a magicka NB (healer), and the other could support a stamina based char.

Wisler89

Yay

Well, equality for all. They take some of your magicka morphs away, some of which were really cool. So we take some of their stamina morphs. Additinally I want a magicka morph for all weapon, fighters guild and stamina alliance war skills.

Give me that and make auto-attacks scale off the highest value (spell-weapon power, magicka-stamina) and we have viable magicka based weapon builds

Leandor

Nay

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

I only run a few Magicka builds so normally I would say NAY, but I am all about choice so I don't have a problem with it.

It is not choice, if no matter what you do, the loadout is the same (only using different resources). Choice means that picking one thing makes you have to chose what else fits in there. Choice means there is consequence of choosing.

Making all builds have access to all abilities actually makes the choosing superfluous.

Merlin13KAGL

Yay

TBH, I'd rather see a proper class heal.

Bonus heals from lines available to everyone, such as Restro, @Nifty2g , are tolerable at best, and Vigor (in either form) are just another one of those.

Anything that limits your other 4/5 skill slots and weapon choice is not a viable option.

It would be as if we said you could use the Stamina Vigor, but only when you aren't using (enter weapon of choice here.)