Vigor - Magicka Morph Poll

Araxleon

Now before you all say magicka builds have restoration staff as an option hear me out.

Almost all magicka builds use restoration staff, its almost needed for survivablity in most magicka builds but it really limits us, Not all classes have proper healing built in adding a magicka morph to vigor could do alot to let magicka builds like x2 Destruction Staff or other combinations be viable.

What do you guys think?

Nifty2g

Nay

Why would you need a magic morph with all the heals magic has atm

Yakidafi

Yay

Nifty2g wrote: »

Why would you need a magic morph with all the heals magic has atm

ZoS works in mysterious ways.

leepalmer95

Yay

Nifty2g wrote: »

Why would you need a magic morph with all the heals magic has atm

Well both sorc + nb don't have class heals ^^ , they do have resto heals because of that there pretty must a must.

Nifty2g

Nay

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Why would you need a magic morph with all the heals magic has atm

Well both sorc + nb don't have class heals ^^ , they do have resto heals because of that there pretty must a must.

Funnel / Swallow Soul, Soul Tether and Sap Essence for a nightblade
Sorcs got dat big shield and healing ward (available for all magic users)

leepalmer95

Yay

Nifty2g wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Why would you need a magic morph with all the heals magic has atm

Well both sorc + nb don't have class heals ^^ , they do have resto heals because of that there pretty must a must.

Funnel / Swallow Soul, Soul Tether and Sap Essence for a nightblade
Sorcs got dat big shield and healing ward (available for all magic users)

Well yeah but they don't have a big % heal or such, the weak Hot's aren't really reliable.

Though nb's and sorc really don't need buffing i'd like a vigor on my magicka dk so i'm more useful in group play or such.

Suru

Nay

I mean you are using healing ward as a NB, which means you are using a resto staff, which you have combat prayer as an insta heal you have available to your self

Araxleon

Yay

Suru wrote: »

I mean you are using healing ward as a NB, which means you are using a resto staff, which you have combat prayer as an insta heal you have available to your self

because I have resto...thats the point...we HAVE to use resto, same with most sorcs.

Like I said magicka version of vigor would mean better combinations..

Amica

Yay

Araxleon wrote: »

Now before you all say magicka builds have restoration staff as an option hear me out.

Almost all magicka builds use restoration staff, its almost needed for survivablity in most magicka builds but it really limits us, Not all classes have proper healing built in adding a magicka morph to vigor could do alot to let magicka builds like x2 Destruction Staff or other combinations be viable.

What do you guys think?

Hands down yes, Wife and i discussed this in length the other day. Stam build needs the two primary heals we have rally and vigor to have the option to magi morph it. With the exception of pots, where in any fairy tail / fantasy worlds, is healing not associated with magic? Unless it's a bleed. So if anything, its a law issue to not have a magi morph.

Arreyanne

So is the game going back to release where it was Elder staffs' Online:

Were to be viable you had to wear light armor and carry a staff or you sucked?

Asmael

Nay

Mmmmmmm nope.

I'd like the game to be something else than "this skill has a magicka version, so I want the same but for stamina" (or the other way around) and have everybody use the same builds, with the exception of morphs.

Restoration staff all the way down.

McSwaggins

Nay

why would you need it? Stamina builds only use that because its one of two stamina heals. We're ususally forced to use a 2h for rallyy, so why shouldn't magicka builds be forced to use a resto for heals?

Septimus_Magna

Yay

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Why would you need a magic morph with all the heals magic has atm

Well both sorc + nb don't have class heals ^^ , they do have resto heals because of that there pretty must a must.

This^

BuggeX

Nay

There are just 2 Stamina Heals, and a toons of magicka? wy the ass you want to change one of them 2?

GreenSoup2HoT

Nay

Magicka already has so many heal's. It's not like stamina user's can benefit from a resto staff since max magicka is needed.
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How about we turn this around for stamina user's. How about a stamina morph of healing Ward?

How about a stamina morph of magicka detonation?

JDar

Yay

Never understood why stamina users needed a heal in the first place. Breaks the lore and makes stamina builds super easy mode. Unless you're putting on a tourniquet or an epinephrine injection I don't know how you can heal yourself with stamina.

In most of the RPG's I have played, warrior weapon classes have had to rely on like, actual teamwork with a member of a healer class. I think the group/team dynamic is ruined if one class can do everything it needs to. Which is what stamina nightblades are now. They can cast some of the most powerful spells in the game (Cloak, Aspect of Terror), have massive physical damage (and there are fewer ways to mitigate that damage compared to magicka) and can heal themselves. That's stupid, ZoS. Back in my day you needed a mage, a warrior, a healer and a thief or a bard to accomplish anything. Not in this game though huh.

UltimaJoe777

So much cynicity... All OP is saying is he wishes he could use Vigor without using Stamina and wonders if anyone agrees since it's an actual heal that doesn't require you use a specific weapon or damage your opponent like Sorcerer and Nightblade are forced into. I get where he's coming from though because I too would rather my Dual Wielding Nightblade main use Magicka to heal rather than Stamina but I do not mind it too much that Vigor has to use Stamina since it doesn't use that much of it.

leepalmer95

Yay

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Magicka already has so many heal's. It's not like stamina user's can benefit from a resto staff since max magicka is needed.
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How about we turn this around for stamina user's. How about a stamina morph of healing Ward?

How about a stamina morph of magicka detonation?

Sure how about a magicka morph of rally? Been wanting a Hot with a huge heal with the added bonus of a 20% spell power buff which lasts 30 seconds and can be pre buff'd before entering combat.

JDar

Yay

Nifty2g wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Why would you need a magic morph with all the heals magic has atm

Well both sorc + nb don't have class heals ^^ , they do have resto heals because of that there pretty must a must.

Funnel / Swallow Soul, Soul Tether and Sap Essence for a nightblade
Sorcs got dat big shield and healing ward (available for all magic users)

I agree with Nifty. I don't know why people say nightblade has no self-heals. Stife and Sap are great. Funnel Health is the most untouchable thing on my bar, along with Mass Hysteria and Shadowy Disguise.

Dyride

Nay

I mean you have Rapid Regen, Healing ward. Sorcs have the Clannfear and Hardened ward.

GreenSoup2HoT

Nay

leepalmer95 wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Magicka already has so many heal's. It's not like stamina user's can benefit from a resto staff since max magicka is needed.
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How about we turn this around for stamina user's. How about a stamina morph of healing Ward?

How about a stamina morph of magicka detonation?

Sure how about a magicka morph of rally? Been wanting a Hot with a huge heal with the added bonus of a 20% spell power buff which lasts 30 seconds and can be pre buff'd before entering combat.

You could say the same for ton's of skill's. There are plenty of skill's Stamina user's or Magicka user's would want.

Vigor would just be overpowered if there was a Magicka Morph. Healing Ward with Sorc's and Vigor, get outta here...

GreenSoup2HoT

Nay

JDar wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Why would you need a magic morph with all the heals magic has atm

Well both sorc + nb don't have class heals ^^ , they do have resto heals because of that there pretty must a must.

Funnel / Swallow Soul, Soul Tether and Sap Essence for a nightblade
Sorcs got dat big shield and healing ward (available for all magic users)

I agree with Nifty. I don't know why people say nightblade has no self-heals. Stife and Sap are great. Funnel Health is the most untouchable thing on my bar, along with Mass Hysteria and Shadowy Disguise.

That's magicka, what about Stamina Nightblade's. Soul Tether is the only one. Then we have to use Rally and Vigor.

UltimaJoe777

JDar wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Why would you need a magic morph with all the heals magic has atm

Well both sorc + nb don't have class heals ^^ , they do have resto heals because of that there pretty must a must.

Funnel / Swallow Soul, Soul Tether and Sap Essence for a nightblade
Sorcs got dat big shield and healing ward (available for all magic users)

I agree with Nifty. I don't know why people say nightblade has no self-heals. Stife and Sap are great. Funnel Health is the most untouchable thing on my bar, along with Mass Hysteria and Shadowy Disguise.

Because Self-Heal and Drain are 2 different things. The drains aren't bad (I myself spam the crap out of Funnel Health when I need to heal) but a Nightblade basically cannot heal itself on its class skills alone unless it's attacking. Sorcerer does indeed have Clannfear and Twilight Matriarch and another skill that does a trade-off but still...

Suru

Nay

Araxleon wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

I mean you are using healing ward as a NB, which means you are using a resto staff, which you have combat prayer as an insta heal you have available to your self

because I have resto...thats the point...we HAVE to use resto, same with most sorcs.

Like I said magicka version of vigor would mean better combinations..

so you would drop you resto staff and healing ward completely on your NB for a magika heal DoT?

Faulgor

Still waiting for Spellcrafting with a Restoration tree ..

Araxleon

Yay

Suru wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

I mean you are using healing ward as a NB, which means you are using a resto staff, which you have combat prayer as an insta heal you have available to your self

because I have resto...thats the point...we HAVE to use resto, same with most sorcs.

Like I said magicka version of vigor would mean better combinations..

so you would drop you resto staff and healing ward completely on your NB for a magika heal DoT?

yeah I would, because I would gain destruction staff.

Vigor is an amazing heal. but overall it would be a diffrent playstyle.

Rapid Regen has nothing on vigor lol

Leandor

Nay

No.

Alternatively: Yes, but at the same time stamina morphs of cloak, bolt escape, proximity det, etc.

Suru

Nay

Araxleon wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

I mean you are using healing ward as a NB, which means you are using a resto staff, which you have combat prayer as an insta heal you have available to your self

because I have resto...thats the point...we HAVE to use resto, same with most sorcs.

Like I said magicka version of vigor would mean better combinations..

so you would drop you resto staff and healing ward completely on your NB for a magika heal DoT?

yeah I would, because I would gain destruction staff.

Vigor is an amazing heal. but overall it would be a diffrent playstyle.

Rapid Regen has nothing on vigor lol

I didnt say rapid regen, I said combat prayer.

may i ask why destro stave? you as a magika nb most have most of your CP in thaum with less CP gains into ele expert, and all your main ulti's are "magic" damge. 10k+(on a latter end) average shield that protects you from physical and magc dmge than a DoT heal?

trimsic_ESO

Nay

So, magicka players have to use a restoration staff to get heal. Well, stamina players have to use weapons to deal damage. Why don't stamina players have access to more class skills? Fix this first, and give stamina players a stamina version of detonation, then we can talk about having a magicka version of vigor.

Araxleon

Yay

Suru wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

I mean you are using healing ward as a NB, which means you are using a resto staff, which you have combat prayer as an insta heal you have available to your self

because I have resto...thats the point...we HAVE to use resto, same with most sorcs.

Like I said magicka version of vigor would mean better combinations..

so you would drop you resto staff and healing ward completely on your NB for a magika heal DoT?

yeah I would, because I would gain destruction staff.

Vigor is an amazing heal. but overall it would be a diffrent playstyle.

Rapid Regen has nothing on vigor lol

I didnt say rapid regen, I said combat prayer.

may i ask why destro stave? you as a magika nb most have most of your CP in thaum with less CP gains into ele expert, and all your main ulti's are "magic" damge. 10k+(on a latter end) average shield that protects you from physical and magc dmge than a DoT heal?

I could go into detail, that would be long, mainly having benefits of crushing shock + elemental drain (which decreases there resist overall and gives magicka when using elemental attacks)

I just see alot of really good possibilites nothing crazy but still something different and viable.

Im not saying that vigor is better healing ward or combat prayer, but it wont require a weapon slot.

Swallow Soul + Vigor might be enough to out heal damage especially in 1.7

overall it would be nice to see something close to viable without a restoration staff... (PVP atleast)

leepalmer95

Yay

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

So, magicka players have to use a restoration staff to get heal. Well, stamina players have to use weapons to deal damage. Why don't stamina players have access to more class skills? Fix this first, and give stamina players a stamina version of detonation, then we can talk about having a magicka version of vigor.