Best DPS 2.1

jkloza

Hey all,

Returning player here and I'm looking for some information on DPS classes now. I'm between Templar/nb/sorc, and am wondering where each stand in 2.1. I've heard that there seems to be a paradigm shift from Stam to magicka based builds, any truth to this?

Thanks in advance!

leepalmer95

I've seen a stamina sorc have 5.2k weapon dmg and 35k stamina on pts -_-

jkloza

Wow nice any other pts stories?

Alcast

Magicka classes > Stamina classes next patch.

drzycki_ESO

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I've seen a stamina sorc have 5.2k weapon dmg and 35k stamina on pts -_-

How is that possible?

13igTyme

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I've seen a stamina sorc have 5.2k weapon dmg and 35k stamina on pts -_-

Made of wet tissue paper.

Scyantific

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I've seen a stamina sorc have 5.2k weapon dmg and 35k stamina on pts -_-

That's an lolDeltia build. It'll get torn apart in PvP because it only has one spammable skill (in theory)

leepalmer95

Scyantific wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I've seen a stamina sorc have 5.2k weapon dmg and 35k stamina on pts -_-

That's an lolDeltia build. It'll get torn apart in PvP because it only has one spammable skill (in theory)

Well thats a pve build not a pvp ^^ , thread did say best dps so i assumed pve.

Septimus_Magna

Overload sorcs seem to have very high dps with the Molag Kena's set, during non-overload phases dps will probably be pretty low though.

Dracane

@Septimus_Magna

Always these Overload excuses. How can people even consider Overload part of Sorcerers DPS. It's an Ultimate and only used against the last Boss of a dungeon and if your group fails, you will not have enough Ultimate energy to maintain it a 2nd time and the rest of the dungeon is a nightmare, because Sorcerer barely pulls any numbers.

Even with Overload it's not as impressive as people believe. That's barely enough to bring Sorcerer at a similar level with other classes.

Springt-Über-Zwerge

Dracane wrote: »

@Septimus_Magna

Always these Overload excuses. How can people even consider Overload part of Sorcerers DPS. It's an Ultimate and only used against the last Boss of a dungeon and if your group fails, you will not have enough Ultimate energy to maintain it a 2nd time and the rest of the dungeon is a nightmare, because Sorcerer barely pulls any numbers.

Even with Overload it's not as impressive as people believe. That's barely enough to bring Sorcerer at a similar level with other classes.

Sorcs do decent dps without overload and since my ults count to my dps its just reasonable to count overload to sorc dps

Dracane

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@Septimus_Magna

Always these Overload excuses. How can people even consider Overload part of Sorcerers DPS. It's an Ultimate and only used against the last Boss of a dungeon and if your group fails, you will not have enough Ultimate energy to maintain it a 2nd time and the rest of the dungeon is a nightmare, because Sorcerer barely pulls any numbers.

Even with Overload it's not as impressive as people believe. That's barely enough to bring Sorcerer at a similar level with other classes.

Sorcs do decent dps without overload and since my ults count to my dps its just reasonable to count overload to sorc dps

Decent is not enough to be on par with other classes.
And if you look at my reasons above, Overload does not count. Sorcerer DPS totally relies on Overload and you have to save your Ultimate up for the entire dungeons. So 95% of the dungeon with low dps, where other classes deal their sustained maximum. And if the boss fight fails 1 time, you're pretty much lost again, because you have wasted too much Ultimate to maintain Overload a second time.

I know, you never have insight for anything on your Anti-Sorcerer war. But say whatever you want-

Springt-Über-Zwerge

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@Septimus_Magna

Always these Overload excuses. How can people even consider Overload part of Sorcerers DPS. It's an Ultimate and only used against the last Boss of a dungeon and if your group fails, you will not have enough Ultimate energy to maintain it a 2nd time and the rest of the dungeon is a nightmare, because Sorcerer barely pulls any numbers.

Even with Overload it's not as impressive as people believe. That's barely enough to bring Sorcerer at a similar level with other classes.

Sorcs do decent dps without overload and since my ults count to my dps its just reasonable to count overload to sorc dps

Decent is not enough to be on par with other classes.
And if you look at my reasons above, Overload does not count. Sorcerer DPS totally relies on Overload and you have to save your Ultimate up for the entire dungeons. So 95% of the dungeon with low dps, where other classes deal their sustained maximum. And if the boss fight fails 1 time, you're pretty much lost again, because you have wasted too much Ultimate to maintain Overload a second time.

I know, you never have insight for anything on your Anti-Sorcerer war. But say whatever you want-

Same for your pro sorc war xD
Your decent dps is still high enough and if you used other ults than overload you would have the same sustained dps so its up to you if you want to burst 1 boss or do sustained dps through the whole dungeon. So I see no reason why overload shouldnt count to your dps

jkloza

How about magicka based templars in the new patch? How are they faring? Are there any sorc DPS builds that don't include overload?

Springt-Über-Zwerge

jkloza wrote: »

How about magicka based templars in the new patch? How are they faring? Are there any sorc DPS builds that don't include overload?

Since magicka templar dps is lower than the dps of the other classes and templar got further nerfs I would say templar became a healbot.

Shure you could use a petbuild since it got buffed Idk how effective that would but but otherwise just use another ult like meteor, dawnbreaker or storm attro

Dracane

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@Septimus_Magna

Always these Overload excuses. How can people even consider Overload part of Sorcerers DPS. It's an Ultimate and only used against the last Boss of a dungeon and if your group fails, you will not have enough Ultimate energy to maintain it a 2nd time and the rest of the dungeon is a nightmare, because Sorcerer barely pulls any numbers.

Even with Overload it's not as impressive as people believe. That's barely enough to bring Sorcerer at a similar level with other classes.

Sorcs do decent dps without overload and since my ults count to my dps its just reasonable to count overload to sorc dps

Decent is not enough to be on par with other classes.
And if you look at my reasons above, Overload does not count. Sorcerer DPS totally relies on Overload and you have to save your Ultimate up for the entire dungeons. So 95% of the dungeon with low dps, where other classes deal their sustained maximum. And if the boss fight fails 1 time, you're pretty much lost again, because you have wasted too much Ultimate to maintain Overload a second time.

I know, you never have insight for anything on your Anti-Sorcerer war. But say whatever you want-

Same for your pro sorc war xD
Your decent dps is still high enough and if you used other ults than overload you would have the same sustained dps so its up to you if you want to burst 1 boss or do sustained dps through the whole dungeon. So I see no reason why overload shouldnt count to your dps

Nope, it's not enough. I want equal DPS for all classes. This is not the case curretnly, Sorcerer is far behind and it's just fair to ask for that. Not only you Templars need help.

BTW, Is this the wrong time to challenge you ? I really really want to destroy you in Cyrodiil. Meet me, I want to silence you already.

Septimus_Magna

Dracane wrote: »

@Septimus_Magna

Always these Overload excuses. How can people even consider Overload part of Sorcerers DPS. It's an Ultimate and only used against the last Boss of a dungeon and if your group fails, you will not have enough Ultimate energy to maintain it a 2nd time and the rest of the dungeon is a nightmare, because Sorcerer barely pulls any numbers.

Even with Overload it's not as impressive as people believe. That's barely enough to bring Sorcerer at a similar level with other classes.

You would be surprised how much dps you can do with overload, I was pulling 18k with ease on bosses yesterday. You need to use mobs between bosses to charge it but at that moment dps doesnt matter so much. Most bosses are short enough to nuke down only with overload so its actually viable but you need to use DW on your overload bar.

I was sceptical at first but overload builds are actually very viable because you can store up 1000 ultimate and thats enough to get bosses down, or at least to execute range if the other dps is below par.

Dracane

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@Septimus_Magna

Always these Overload excuses. How can people even consider Overload part of Sorcerers DPS. It's an Ultimate and only used against the last Boss of a dungeon and if your group fails, you will not have enough Ultimate energy to maintain it a 2nd time and the rest of the dungeon is a nightmare, because Sorcerer barely pulls any numbers.

Even with Overload it's not as impressive as people believe. That's barely enough to bring Sorcerer at a similar level with other classes.

You would be surprised how much dps you can do with overload, I was pulling 18k with ease on bosses yesterday. You need to use mobs between bosses to charge it but at that moment dps doesnt matter so much. Most bosses are short enough to nuke down only with overload so its actually viable but you need to use DW on your overload bar.

I was sceptical at first but overload builds are actually very viable because you can store up 1000 ultimate and thats enough to get bosses down, or at least to execute range if the other dps is below par.

How about an option to Overload ? Sorcerer is the only class relying on a stupid Ultimate to to something and without Overload, they do nothing.

How cool would it be to use the Atronach instead to boost DPS. But it's pointless, it's DPS is way too low

Mojmir

im not so much worried about who has the most or best dps,as long as i can sustainably keep or adapt with my builds in the new patch, then ill be happy. it will take some time for everyone to adapt, even the ones who have been on PTS. your not going to have all the gear handed to you on live and certainly will take time to farm the newer sets and adapt all of said characters.

Springt-Über-Zwerge

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@Septimus_Magna

Always these Overload excuses. How can people even consider Overload part of Sorcerers DPS. It's an Ultimate and only used against the last Boss of a dungeon and if your group fails, you will not have enough Ultimate energy to maintain it a 2nd time and the rest of the dungeon is a nightmare, because Sorcerer barely pulls any numbers.

Even with Overload it's not as impressive as people believe. That's barely enough to bring Sorcerer at a similar level with other classes.

Sorcs do decent dps without overload and since my ults count to my dps its just reasonable to count overload to sorc dps

Decent is not enough to be on par with other classes.
And if you look at my reasons above, Overload does not count. Sorcerer DPS totally relies on Overload and you have to save your Ultimate up for the entire dungeons. So 95% of the dungeon with low dps, where other classes deal their sustained maximum. And if the boss fight fails 1 time, you're pretty much lost again, because you have wasted too much Ultimate to maintain Overload a second time.

I know, you never have insight for anything on your Anti-Sorcerer war. But say whatever you want-

Same for your pro sorc war xD
Your decent dps is still high enough and if you used other ults than overload you would have the same sustained dps so its up to you if you want to burst 1 boss or do sustained dps through the whole dungeon. So I see no reason why overload shouldnt count to your dps

Nope, it's not enough. I want equal DPS for all classes. This is not the case curretnly, Sorcerer is far behind and it's just fair to ask for that. Not only you Templars need help.

BTW, Is this the wrong time to challenge you ? I really really want to destroy you in Cyrodiil. Meet me, I want to silence you already.

Well in my opinion sorcs are far from being far behind

Its never the wrong time to challange me for duels. Are you on the Eu server?

Dracane

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@Septimus_Magna

Always these Overload excuses. How can people even consider Overload part of Sorcerers DPS. It's an Ultimate and only used against the last Boss of a dungeon and if your group fails, you will not have enough Ultimate energy to maintain it a 2nd time and the rest of the dungeon is a nightmare, because Sorcerer barely pulls any numbers.

Even with Overload it's not as impressive as people believe. That's barely enough to bring Sorcerer at a similar level with other classes.

Sorcs do decent dps without overload and since my ults count to my dps its just reasonable to count overload to sorc dps

Decent is not enough to be on par with other classes.
And if you look at my reasons above, Overload does not count. Sorcerer DPS totally relies on Overload and you have to save your Ultimate up for the entire dungeons. So 95% of the dungeon with low dps, where other classes deal their sustained maximum. And if the boss fight fails 1 time, you're pretty much lost again, because you have wasted too much Ultimate to maintain Overload a second time.

I know, you never have insight for anything on your Anti-Sorcerer war. But say whatever you want-

Same for your pro sorc war xD
Your decent dps is still high enough and if you used other ults than overload you would have the same sustained dps so its up to you if you want to burst 1 boss or do sustained dps through the whole dungeon. So I see no reason why overload shouldnt count to your dps

Nope, it's not enough. I want equal DPS for all classes. This is not the case curretnly, Sorcerer is far behind and it's just fair to ask for that. Not only you Templars need help.

BTW, Is this the wrong time to challenge you ? I really really want to destroy you in Cyrodiil. Meet me, I want to silence you already.

Well in my opinion sorcs are far from being far behind

Its never the wrong time to challange me for duels. Are you on the Eu server?

Yes I am on the EU server. So, let's meet

Septimus_Magna

Dracane wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@Septimus_Magna

Always these Overload excuses. How can people even consider Overload part of Sorcerers DPS. It's an Ultimate and only used against the last Boss of a dungeon and if your group fails, you will not have enough Ultimate energy to maintain it a 2nd time and the rest of the dungeon is a nightmare, because Sorcerer barely pulls any numbers.

Even with Overload it's not as impressive as people believe. That's barely enough to bring Sorcerer at a similar level with other classes.

You would be surprised how much dps you can do with overload, I was pulling 18k with ease on bosses yesterday. You need to use mobs between bosses to charge it but at that moment dps doesnt matter so much. Most bosses are short enough to nuke down only with overload so its actually viable but you need to use DW on your overload bar.

I was sceptical at first but overload builds are actually very viable because you can store up 1000 ultimate and thats enough to get bosses down, or at least to execute range if the other dps is below par.

How about an option to Overload ? Sorcerer is the only class relying on a stupid Ultimate to to something and without Overload, they do nothing.

How cool would it be to use the Atronach instead to boost DPS. But it's pointless, it's DPS is way too low

If you take away standard/shooting star for magicka DKs their dps would also be a lot less impressive. The only difference is that sorcs need to save up more ultimate which is a big disadvantage. But when sorcs have stored up enough ultimate its really easy to pull very high dps by simply buffing up and spamming light attacks, this takes no skill at all.

At the end of the day you hardly have a choice if you want to do high dps as any class, there're a couple things that work for each class and if you dont use it your dps will be low.

Cyrediath

You guys are talking about pve but in pvp sorcerers are superior againsts all classes. No one can beat shield stacking, curse+magika detonation spamming sorcerer. And they also wait in deadric minefield.

Springt-Über-Zwerge

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@Septimus_Magna

Always these Overload excuses. How can people even consider Overload part of Sorcerers DPS. It's an Ultimate and only used against the last Boss of a dungeon and if your group fails, you will not have enough Ultimate energy to maintain it a 2nd time and the rest of the dungeon is a nightmare, because Sorcerer barely pulls any numbers.

Even with Overload it's not as impressive as people believe. That's barely enough to bring Sorcerer at a similar level with other classes.

Sorcs do decent dps without overload and since my ults count to my dps its just reasonable to count overload to sorc dps

Decent is not enough to be on par with other classes.
And if you look at my reasons above, Overload does not count. Sorcerer DPS totally relies on Overload and you have to save your Ultimate up for the entire dungeons. So 95% of the dungeon with low dps, where other classes deal their sustained maximum. And if the boss fight fails 1 time, you're pretty much lost again, because you have wasted too much Ultimate to maintain Overload a second time.

I know, you never have insight for anything on your Anti-Sorcerer war. But say whatever you want-

Same for your pro sorc war xD
Your decent dps is still high enough and if you used other ults than overload you would have the same sustained dps so its up to you if you want to burst 1 boss or do sustained dps through the whole dungeon. So I see no reason why overload shouldnt count to your dps

Nope, it's not enough. I want equal DPS for all classes. This is not the case curretnly, Sorcerer is far behind and it's just fair to ask for that. Not only you Templars need help.

BTW, Is this the wrong time to challenge you ? I really really want to destroy you in Cyrodiil. Meet me, I want to silence you already.

Well in my opinion sorcs are far from being far behind

Its never the wrong time to challange me for duels. Are you on the Eu server?

Yes I am on the EU server. So, let's meet

Okay I dont know if I will make it on today but I will definitely have time tomorrow

leepalmer95

Cyrediath wrote: »

You guys are talking about pve but in pvp sorcerers are superior againsts all classes. No one can beat shield stacking, curse+magika detonation spamming sorcerer. And they also wait in deadric minefield.

Apart from stam nb's ^^

Waffennacht

I do love seeing one person saying they are good and another saying they are bad (comparatively) seemingy its balanced.

I agree not all dps is equal, but each class has its own advantages in their own way (I do feel for templars imo)

Joy_Division

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@Septimus_Magna

Always these Overload excuses. How can people even consider Overload part of Sorcerers DPS. It's an Ultimate and only used against the last Boss of a dungeon and if your group fails, you will not have enough Ultimate energy to maintain it a 2nd time and the rest of the dungeon is a nightmare, because Sorcerer barely pulls any numbers.

Even with Overload it's not as impressive as people believe. That's barely enough to bring Sorcerer at a similar level with other classes.

Sorcs do decent dps without overload and since my ults count to my dps its just reasonable to count overload to sorc dps

Decent is not enough to be on par with other classes.
And if you look at my reasons above, Overload does not count. Sorcerer DPS totally relies on Overload and you have to save your Ultimate up for the entire dungeons. So 95% of the dungeon with low dps, where other classes deal their sustained maximum. And if the boss fight fails 1 time, you're pretty much lost again, because you have wasted too much Ultimate to maintain Overload a second time.

I know, you never have insight for anything on your Anti-Sorcerer war. But say whatever you want-

LoL. We are going to count your ultimate for DPS purposes ... but not mine!

leepalmer95

Joy_Division wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@Septimus_Magna

Always these Overload excuses. How can people even consider Overload part of Sorcerers DPS. It's an Ultimate and only used against the last Boss of a dungeon and if your group fails, you will not have enough Ultimate energy to maintain it a 2nd time and the rest of the dungeon is a nightmare, because Sorcerer barely pulls any numbers.

Even with Overload it's not as impressive as people believe. That's barely enough to bring Sorcerer at a similar level with other classes.

Sorcs do decent dps without overload and since my ults count to my dps its just reasonable to count overload to sorc dps

Decent is not enough to be on par with other classes.
And if you look at my reasons above, Overload does not count. Sorcerer DPS totally relies on Overload and you have to save your Ultimate up for the entire dungeons. So 95% of the dungeon with low dps, where other classes deal their sustained maximum. And if the boss fight fails 1 time, you're pretty much lost again, because you have wasted too much Ultimate to maintain Overload a second time.

I know, you never have insight for anything on your Anti-Sorcerer war. But say whatever you want-

LoL. We are going to count your ultimate for DPS purposes ... but not mine!

Overload is a 1 boss attempt, you fail the boss the first time sorc dps then drops, it's a 1 time deal.

Knewos

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@Septimus_Magna

Always these Overload excuses. How can people even consider Overload part of Sorcerers DPS. It's an Ultimate and only used against the last Boss of a dungeon and if your group fails, you will not have enough Ultimate energy to maintain it a 2nd time and the rest of the dungeon is a nightmare, because Sorcerer barely pulls any numbers.

Even with Overload it's not as impressive as people believe. That's barely enough to bring Sorcerer at a similar level with other classes.

Sorcs do decent dps without overload and since my ults count to my dps its just reasonable to count overload to sorc dps

Decent is not enough to be on par with other classes.
And if you look at my reasons above, Overload does not count. Sorcerer DPS totally relies on Overload and you have to save your Ultimate up for the entire dungeons. So 95% of the dungeon with low dps, where other classes deal their sustained maximum. And if the boss fight fails 1 time, you're pretty much lost again, because you have wasted too much Ultimate to maintain Overload a second time.

I know, you never have insight for anything on your Anti-Sorcerer war. But say whatever you want-

LoL. We are going to count your ultimate for DPS purposes ... but not mine!

Overload is a 1 boss attempt, you fail the boss the first time sorc dps then drops, it's a 1 time deal.

Yeah, but you only need one boss attempt, so its pretty fine. (And on most Dungeon Boss fights you dont even use much of the 1000% youve got, more like 200 or something so its OK.)
And i do have a pretty decent Build without Overload but only with next patch possibilitys.

TheDarkShadow

Guys, guys, come on, please, this thread is not just about Sorc. I do have the same question as OP.

I'm playing a magicka Templar atm, doing both healer and dps, whatever needed. But I heard magicka Temp is going to be nerfed pretty bad next DLC. Sun Shield only 15% max health now, Radiant Destruction, the only execution of magicka Temp being nerfed. So now I'm just a heal bot? (Disclaim: All of this are just rumor that I've head, don't know if it truth or not.)

I also have another stam NB which I haven't play for a while. How stam NB do in the next DLC?

Springt-Über-Zwerge

TheDarkShadow wrote: »

Guys, guys, come on, please, this thread is not just about Sorc. I do have the same question as OP.

I'm playing a magicka Templar atm, doing both healer and dps, whatever needed. But I heard magicka Temp is going to be nerfed pretty bad next DLC. Sun Shield only 15% max health now, Radiant Destruction, the only execution of magicka Temp being nerfed. So now I'm just a heal bot? (Disclaim: All of this are just rumor that I've head, don't know if it truth or not.)

I also have another stam NB which I haven't play for a while. How stam NB do in the next DLC?

well sun shield value is reduced by 50% in pvp like all other shields too but since damage is reduced by 50% too its no change to shields but yea rd gets a nerf which is needed because that skill is just too strong but on the other hand templars were just able to do te dps others were able to do because of rd. so we would have needed something else in return to compensate that nerf which is not the case... just more nerfs to eclipse for example