Non-Templar healing class

WyldfireWyrm

So I've been struggling with my Templar healer for the last 10-15 levels and after 5 failed vet dungeons (each with over 6 repeated wipes on the same boss before we all just gave up), I want to try something else. For whatever reason, I have not been able to heal dungeons well, and was even shown up by one of my dps sorcerers with a back up resto staff who was below the dungeon level and never let health drop 30-40%. And I don't think it was an issue with great because I have 5 seducer and 3 magnus pieces equipped.

So I'm looking to get suggestions on what might be a good alternative class to heal with that isn't a Templar. Build and gameplay recommendations are greatly appreciated as well. Thank you!

Scyantific

Are you just relying on Templar heals?

WyldfireWyrm

Mostly, with the exception of Healing Springs.

WyldfireWyrm

I think it might not just be the healing side of things. I think the dps is a pretty big issue too. I feel like I have tons of heals that barely keep people going with how magicka starved my Khajiit can get, and I have next to no damage abilities,which drags out fights, making healing even harder

Bash-ley

I'm a Altmer Templar healer, I switch quite happily between resto and destruction staff in group dungeons. I never seem to run out of Magicka, I make sure I use my ward to keep my allies shielded and send out lots of heals. I find that the Templar healing ultimate regenerates really quick so I use that as often as possible.

RavenSworn

Healing Ward + Healing Springs + BoL when almost dying.

Rapid Regen + Quick Siphon for off periods like when the dps or tank is not taking much damage. Repentance if group has stamina based dps.

Channeled focus right before a Remembrance also helps.

Thats what i did with my dps / heals templar. low level though so not too sure if this will work in higher end groups

Lord Xanhorn

I made a few videos geared toward newer healers. Maybe you get glean some info that would help

Skills video
https://youtube.com/watch?v=qxigE-PvNUo

Gameplay Video with commentary
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8PnAQRfa7mg

Jumper45

Sadly if youre having difficulty healing on templar the other healer builds will just be harder. They require much more thought, work and planning then templar does. Templar just needs 1,200-1,400 regen and BOL while using heavy resto staff attacks to refill magicka at around 20k to function in vet dungeons. This is pretty basic though. have a basic armor set. eat magicka recovery food and cast bols and heavy attacks. NB/Sorc/DK all suffer from positions and lack of burst healing so they require alot more work to cover that weakness. The pros and cons are the other healers are more fun for experienced players ( Templar can be boring because its so easy) but Templar is very easy to where you can still dps and heal at the same time or do well for non experienced players. While NB does do damage and healing its quite different.

And know what you need to do on bosses is key. quite a few bosses require skill changeouts before fights. Running the 1 setup 24/7 will get you killed a few times.

Lightninvash

I believe it is a combination of not using the right skills at the right time or maybe not having the optimal heals. im vet 7 almost vet 8 been a pvp healer for my guild gna do some vet dungeons later today to see how some of us do in certain dungeons and ect. but I never found healing an issue with keeping the group alive. I use healing over times heals as well as the larg burst heal spells. and the resto shield skill so I can give shields if needed. also look into blood alter for the synergy of 40% max health return in my morphed case 60% return. its a nice heal. redemption I think it is called is noce when you are killing large groups of enemies because once you kill 3-4 of them you gain a lot of hp and stamina for everyone in the group believe it is 1643 or something like that stamina and hp per dead body. just some things to think about

Lynnessa

Nightblade class is best class.

Seriously though, there are a lot of successful NB healers around.

Jim_Berry

Lynnessa wrote: »

Nightblade class is best class.

Seriously though, there are a lot of successful NB healers around.

I agree. I used to be a Lv29 Nightblade and I used to heal when our dungeon run consisted of all DPS.

Two days ago, I decided to delete her and just make a healing Templar since I could never get to shine as a DPS in dungeons as I was always healing. I'm only Lv6 right now, but the plan is to be a fulltime healer. If I can't fulltime heal, then I'll be a backup tank, so I've also been leveling a few pieces of Heavy Armor as well as keeping Sword, Shield, and Resto staff up.

Lightninvash

Jim_Berry wrote: »

Lynnessa wrote: »

Nightblade class is best class.

Seriously though, there are a lot of successful NB healers around.

I agree. I used to be a Lv29 Nightblade and I used to heal when our dungeon run consisted of all DPS.

Two days ago, I decided to delete her and just make a healing Templar since I could never get to shine as a DPS in dungeons as I was always healing. I'm only Lv6 right now, but the plan is to be a fulltime healer. If I can't fulltime heal, then I'll be a backup tank, so I've also been leveling a few pieces of Heavy Armor as well as keeping Sword, Shield, and Resto staff up.

I don't think you can compare regular dungeons to end game things. any class can be anything true enough. but Templars do make the better healers I mean with a nightblade you wouldn't have the amazing heal ult. and some groups will not accept a non Templar healer

Jim_Berry

Lightninvash wrote: »

I don't think you can compare regular dungeons to end game things. any class can be anything true enough. but Templars do make the better healers I mean with a nightblade you wouldn't have the amazing heal ult. and some groups will not accept a non Templar healer

I have yet to experience endgame, as I have had slow progression on ESO due to me playing a lot of Final Fantasy XIV at the time. Now that I finally let my sub lapse there (active since August 2013 until the 7th of this month), I'll be on ESO more.

Lightninvash

Jim_Berry wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

I don't think you can compare regular dungeons to end game things. any class can be anything true enough. but Templars do make the better healers I mean with a nightblade you wouldn't have the amazing heal ult. and some groups will not accept a non Templar healer

I have yet to experience endgame, as I have had slow progression on ESO due to me playing a lot of Final Fantasy XIV at the time. Now that I finally let my sub lapse there (active since August 2013 until the 7th of this month), I'll be on ESO more.

end game it gets more challenging. like I said any class can be anything it will just generally be more tough than one designed more for certain things. as the healer aspect Templars are great healers if you spec them right. and don't forget to put points into hp I was trying an all magic healer when I was 42 I had 41 points in magicka but noticed in dungeons most heavy aoes or such would hit 13+ k hits and I had 13k hp. didn't work so well that way. now I have closer to 19k hp my goal is to get 20k hp so I can stand a better chance in the vet dungeons. tho ii am still wearing vet 1 gear and vet 5 weps due to me lvling from vet 1-7 almost 8 in a matter of days so haven't found a need to get new gear due to my quick leveling. from what I was recommended by a guild mate he is a vet 11 Templar he says that you should have at least 10 points in health to be effective and not die so much. as for you if you would like to tank as well probably even more hp. heavy armor is what I use primarily for more hp bonus and use 2 light pieces for more magicka. it helps me from being so squishy and provides health because a dead healer is a bad healer.

just some helpful tips

WyldfireWyrm

To clarify, my vet 1 Khajiit Templar is becoming an issue for me mainly because I feel I don't contribute positively in the DPS department. I struggle a little with magicka in long fights (2+ minutes), but there are absolutely zero issues on trash pulls. Boss fights that are heavy on special mechanics that require good heals and lots of DPS are the big struggle. The first big boss of veteran Fungal Grotto and the final boss of veteran Crypt of Hearts are two of the worst failures I've experienced. I also have a personal issue with indecision, which is an issue because of the numerous different ways a Templars bars can be setup.

UPrime

The problem might not be your healing, but your teams inability to move out of "stupid" zones. There are mechanics that are not meant to be healed through on a regular basis.

QuebraRegra

Jumper45 wrote: »

Sadly if youre having difficulty healing on templar the other healer builds will just be harder. They require much more thought, work and planning then templar does. Templar just needs 1,200-1,400 regen and BOL while using heavy resto staff attacks to refill magicka at around 20k to function in vet dungeons. This is pretty basic though. have a basic armor set. eat magicka recovery food and cast bols and heavy attacks. NB/Sorc/DK all suffer from positions and lack of burst healing so they require alot more work to cover that weakness. The pros and cons are the other healers are more fun for experienced players ( Templar can be boring because its so easy) but Templar is very easy to where you can still dps and heal at the same time or do well for non experienced players. While NB does do damage and healing its quite different.

And know what you need to do on bosses is key. quite a few bosses require skill changeouts before fights. Running the 1 setup 24/7 will get you killed a few times.

Insightful post regarding non-templar healers.

I run a NB healer and it works pretty well. I'd add that there can be burst healing with a NB... With SOUL TETHER allies can active SOUL LEECH and get a considerable health boost, along with ctiving BLOOD FEAST from ALTAR. Also Funnel health heals based on DMG which can be boosted by crit, etc.

There's no "one button" magic heal for the non-templars, but they can make considerable healers given the proper build and play.

13igTyme

Wouldn't Non templar healing be just using A restoration staff and what ever shields you might have.

Jumper45

For NB no and as for sorc/dk they use CC etc. While it doesnt seem like it would affect healing directly. Using a CC will buy you time to heal. Like negate magic for example. Maim etc etc. Having to heal less damage is honestly just as good as healing more damage. Its never as simple as throwing on a resto staff and casting heals ( Which to be honest with you resto staff heals kinda blow)

BullNetch

I haven't fooled around with all of the classes but nightblades have an ultimate that morphs into a group heal.

DKs have survivability skills like dragon blood. They have some skill that buffs healing and shields a group.

Sorcs can turn stamina into magicka and they also get access to the mage's guild skill that turns health into magicka. Two of their ultimates can be used to regain magicka, I believe.

13igTyme

Jumper45 wrote: »

For NB no and as for sorc/dk they use CC etc. While it doesnt seem like it would affect healing directly. Using a CC will buy you time to heal. Like negate magic for example. Maim etc etc. Having to heal less damage is honestly just as good as healing more damage. Its never as simple as throwing on a resto staff and casting heals ( Which to be honest with you resto staff heals kinda blow)

Well I meant CC with the shields. But if it's different for a NB then I don't see it.

Darlgon

I have not seen this yet,, but.. You DO have most of your points in Magicka? I mean, it makes your pool bigger, plus your heals and DPS bigger.Then there is the Mundus stone that gives a plus to outgoing healing, The Ritual.

QuebraRegra

Darlgon wrote: »

I have not seen this yet,, but.. You DO have most of your points in Magicka? I mean, it makes your pool bigger, plus your heals and DPS bigger.Then there is the Mundus stone that gives a plus to outgoing healing, The Ritual.

YES. I neglected to mention my NB healer is Magicka based. Hmm, I went with MAGE mundus because the heals also increase marginally, as well as the size of the total pool, plus dmg gets a bump s well.

QuebraRegra

WyldfireWyrm wrote: »

To clarify, my vet 1 Khajiit Templar is becoming an issue for me mainly because I feel I don't contribute positively in the DPS department. I struggle a little with magicka in long fights (2+ minutes), but there are absolutely zero issues on trash pulls. Boss fights that are heavy on special mechanics that require good heals and lots of DPS are the big struggle. The first big boss of veteran Fungal Grotto and the final boss of veteran Crypt of Hearts are two of the worst failures I've experienced. I also have a personal issue with indecision, which is an issue because of the numerous different ways a Templars bars can be setup.

Do the racial passives of a Khajiit help with magicka?

Might be outdated but how about this:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/108042/updated-with-videos-the-new-puncturing-sweep-heal-is-amazing/p1

Jumper45

13igTyme wrote: »

Jumper45 wrote: »

For NB no and as for sorc/dk they use CC etc. While it doesnt seem like it would affect healing directly. Using a CC will buy you time to heal. Like negate magic for example. Maim etc etc. Having to heal less damage is honestly just as good as healing more damage. Its never as simple as throwing on a resto staff and casting heals ( Which to be honest with you resto staff heals kinda blow)

Well I meant CC with the shields. But if it's different for a NB then I don't see it.

NB Have Funnel, ther whole siphon line ETC. Actual abilities that cause healing. sorc and dk have buffs and cc ( Sorc used to have a huge increase to healing but it was nerfed recently but might be getting rebalanced to work for healers.)

Jumper45

WyldfireWyrm wrote: »

To clarify, my vet 1 Khajiit Templar is becoming an issue for me mainly because I feel I don't contribute positively in the DPS department. I struggle a little with magicka in long fights (2+ minutes), but there are absolutely zero issues on trash pulls. Boss fights that are heavy on special mechanics that require good heals and lots of DPS are the big struggle. The first big boss of veteran Fungal Grotto and the final boss of veteran Crypt of Hearts are two of the worst failures I've experienced. I also have a personal issue with indecision, which is an issue because of the numerous different ways a Templars bars can be setup.

There are 2 ways you can contribute to the dps without actually going into dps. Reflective light. ( you replace inner light with it) Or radiant Oppression ( to execute monsters) reflective dps is nothing to turn your nose up at while still helping you heal. and radiant oppression will pretty much 1shot any trash mob at 30%.

As for bosses with mechanics you need to look at all your abilities. As a Templar your 2 best heals are going to be Breath of life and Lingering Ritual. Healing springs is a 3rd. Every other heal you take from there is not needed and mostly by choice to make your job easier in the healing department or to help buff or to help dps with. If for whatever reason you arnt using those 3 then i can see problems popping up. BOL would be your go to heal. On fights where more then 4 people stack or BOL isnt fast enough use ritual. If you need to be fast and mobile or the hits come quickly then use springs instead of ritual.

Ill tell you this though. while helping dps does help you do NOT need to help dps in any form. DPS can easly outperform the needed dps for most if not all boss mechanics. You can also explore other options like combat prayer if you want to help DPS without doing actual dps.

WyldfireWyrm

I'm starting to regret choosing a Templar. LOL

I tried again tonight and just gave up after wiping 3 times on the second boss. I have 5 Seducer pieces and 3 Magnus pieces equipped, so I feel like gear should be fine. My health is at 14k and my magicka is almost 19k with food active (39 points in magicka and 10 in health). I reset my skill points for the fifth time in a week (28k I won't be getting back). I was running BoL, Purifying Ritual and Ward Ally as my primary abilities. Back up skills were Repentance, Reflective Light, Rune Focus, Structured Entropy and Inner Light. I had no magicka issues.

This many issues for this long has got to be a problem with me. Either I'm not playing the class correctly or I'm just a terrible healer (which shows how easy pre-vet content is since I had very little issues until Vet 1). This experience is frustrating and making the game feel more like a chore than something fun. I don't expect the content to be so easy that it is boring, but I also hate spending 1.5 hours on the same boss wiping 8+ times.

I need to either reroll a new class that might fit my style better, or I need to give up healing and switch to DPS or tanking. Since I have a Vet 1 Templar, which is reportedly a decent class to tank with, I might try my luck with tanking. If not, supposedly stamina Templar has the best AOE damage right now.

Any suggestions?

Scyantific

Scrap Ward Ally for Healing Ward. Don't use the Ritual skill from Restoring Light.

In fact, are you on PC? If you are, add me in-game @Scyantific and I'll help you out.

WyldfireWyrm

I'm on Xbox One.

Ashtaris

Not to discourage diversity in builds, but why on earth did you choose a Kahjiit as a Templar healer? They have basically no passives that aid in Magicka regeneration, and for a Templar healer, that's what it's all about. If you can keep that Magicka engine running, you can heal any vet dungeon. My Breton V14 Templar healer goes into a dungeon with a 31K Magicka pool, 1700 magicka regen, and 20K health after food buffs. With that I can heal through even the most intense battles. I'm still trying to improve my healing skills, but I seem to do OK most of the time Actually in hindsight, I probably should have chosen Altmer because of their Magicka regen passives.

You didn't specify what level you are currently at, but you might start looking at some other high end armor sets like "Healers Habit". The nice thing about this set is that it includes rings and a Focus as part of the set. So I'm wearing a crafted 5 piece Seducer AND a 5 piece Healers set. That's where a large part of my magicka pool is coming from, along with the appropriate enchants.

Anyway, I do hope you find someway to make your Kahjiit Templar work as a healer. You may just need to be more creative and think outside the box

WyldfireWyrm

Ashtaris wrote: »

Not to discourage diversity in builds, but why on earth did you choose a Kahjiit as a Templar healer? They have basically no passives that aid in Magicka regeneration, and for a Templar healer, that's what it's all about. If you can keep that Magicka engine running, you can heal any vet dungeon. My Breton V14 Templar healer goes into a dungeon with a 31K Magicka pool, 1700 magicka regen, and 20K health after food buffs. With that I can heal through even the most intense battles. I'm still trying to improve my healing skills, but I seem to do OK most of the time Actually in hindsight, I probably should have chosen Altmer because of their Magicka regen passives.

You didn't specify what level you are currently at, but you might start looking at some other high end armor sets like "Healers Habit". The nice thing about this set is that it includes rings and a Focus as part of the set. So I'm wearing a crafted 5 piece Seducer AND a 5 piece Healers set. That's where a large part of my magicka pool is coming from, along with the appropriate enchants.

Anyway, I do hope you find someway to make your Kahjiit Templar work as a healer. You may just need to be more creative and think outside the box

I chose the Khajiit because I love the race and didn't want to run a Dunmer, Breton, Altmer or Imperial to be successful. But apparently racial passives really can break a class/role.

As far as trying to make my Templar work, I don't see there being a good alternative to everything I've tried. I run a 5L/1H/1M armor setup with 5 Seducer pieces and 3 Magnus pieces. This has solved the vast majority of the magicka problems I have had in the past few weeks and I'm not entirely squishy either.

I have a few issues with the class. The first is the boring nature of BoL spamming, though that doesn't directly effect their capability as a healer. The next is the trade off the class represents, which is mediocre/subpar DPS with great heals while other classes seem to have good heals with good DPS. The boss mechanics are what is killing me and my groups, for the most part. Mechanics that require burst healing are relatively easy, when I'm not being focus fired to death or stunned/knocked down, making healing impossible (that honestly is more of an issue with my teammates than with my class). Other mechanics require you to quickly burn down an enemy before something bad happens that will usually result in at least one death. In those instances, I can't contribute enough DPS to successfully get through the mechanic, which means people die and wipes become a higher likelihood.

Now I know that some of the issues I'm having are related to some poorly equipped, poorly skilled and/or poorly geared PUGs I run with. However, not being able to successfully pull off a single vet dungeon in 2 weeks of trying on almost a nightly basis with a different group each time, sometimes two different groups a night, isn't likely to be an issue with PUGs every time.

And I've tried every skill combination I can think of to make it through these encounters. I've respecced my character 5 times and spent 28k in gold in the last week trying to spread out my 100-ish skill points to the right places. I'm at my wits end as to how to make this work.

At this point, I'm thinking I either need to respec my Templar to Stamina DPS or to magicka tank to justify keeping this character. Otherwise, I should just move on to a different character where I can try my hand at healing or tanking, since I prefer the support style roles.