Vampires and werewolves are cursed

RinneganDovahkiin

I don't think anymore negatives should be added to these forms until they add some more positives. It's annoying enough that no one recognised you as a Vampire, but if there'd be stupid *** like taking actual damage in sunlight and getting attacked on sight by invincible OP guards, then there's not much incentive to be a vampire. The skills aren't powerful enough for all that and typically vampires have far more abilities than what's being given in this game. Invisibility and super jump for example. Vampires also have increased strength and movement speed. Where's all that? I don't want more cliche negatives without more cliche positives.

usmcjdking

I think WW's should get a little bit more than just an ulti and some marginal Stamina regen. It is completely lackluster.

I would prefer to see Call of the Pack changed to Hircine's Avatar.
- Once every 2/1 hours, when you drop below 20% health you transform into Hircine's Avatar for 10/15 seconds. You become impervious to all damage and crowd control, are unable to receive any healing/stamina or magicka (outside of health regeneration) for 15 seconds. Your health regeneration during this time is tripled. Hircine's Avatar increases weapon damage by 100%.

Nice little "OH ***" feat that makes WW much more fun and impactful.

RAGUNAnoOne

starkerealm wrote: »

Prothwata wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

Some people want easy mode for their afflictions. I want to feel the curse and enjoy the benefits that come from it.

Same here how can it be called a "curse" or "disease" if it is so easy to control and use all the advantages without the weaknesses mentioned in every lore section.

I do agree that we could spice up things a bit through vamp stages, and feedings. My main has been a vampire since launch and has not fed in over a year... this is sad, as I loved playing a vampire character in all other ES titles I've played. I have no need to feed in eso... tie our regeneration passive to feeding... make it a 4 hour buff so it isn't a crazy inconvenience, but something that has to be done.

Do the same to werewolf and our devour mechanic. Yes we have to slot the ultimate in order to devour and gain our regen passive... but don't have to slot it on both bars.

As werewolves we should be attacked by gaurds in cities
and vampires rank 4 should be the same.

I know it's not very "elder scrolls" but, I still like the idea of vampires having a persistent blood resource, that is consumed every time you use a vampiric ability (instead of simply draining Magicka). With the use of your powers actually dragging you into higher stages. So a blood starved vampire would actually have fewer resources at their disposal, but their resource use would be less efficient.

this sounds a lot like the Better Vampires mod for skyrim with the blood points enabled. hope they do something like random Moonlight Tales style forced transforms for WWs.

starkerealm

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Prothwata wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

Some people want easy mode for their afflictions. I want to feel the curse and enjoy the benefits that come from it.

Same here how can it be called a "curse" or "disease" if it is so easy to control and use all the advantages without the weaknesses mentioned in every lore section.

I do agree that we could spice up things a bit through vamp stages, and feedings. My main has been a vampire since launch and has not fed in over a year... this is sad, as I loved playing a vampire character in all other ES titles I've played. I have no need to feed in eso... tie our regeneration passive to feeding... make it a 4 hour buff so it isn't a crazy inconvenience, but something that has to be done.

Do the same to werewolf and our devour mechanic. Yes we have to slot the ultimate in order to devour and gain our regen passive... but don't have to slot it on both bars.

As werewolves we should be attacked by gaurds in cities
and vampires rank 4 should be the same.

I know it's not very "elder scrolls" but, I still like the idea of vampires having a persistent blood resource, that is consumed every time you use a vampiric ability (instead of simply draining Magicka). With the use of your powers actually dragging you into higher stages. So a blood starved vampire would actually have fewer resources at their disposal, but their resource use would be less efficient.

this sounds a lot like the Better Vampires mod for skyrim with the blood points enabled. hope they do something like random Moonlight Tales style forced transforms for WWs.

Yeah, I really should use Better Vampires on a playthrough... but I never have. I'm actually thinking of the Blood Pool system from White Wolf's games... which was what Better Vampires was also pulling from, IIRC.

Chrlynsch

usmcjdking wrote: »

I think WW's should get a little bit more than just an ulti and some marginal Stamina regen. It is completely lackluster.

I would prefer to see Call of the Pack changed to Hircine's Avatar.
- Once every 2/1 hours, when you drop below 20% health you transform into Hircine's Avatar for 10/15 seconds. You become impervious to all damage and crowd control, are unable to receive any healing/stamina or magicka (outside of health regeneration) for 15 seconds. Your health regeneration during this time is tripled. Hircine's Avatar increases weapon damage by 100%.

Nice little "OH ***" feat that makes WW much more fun and impactful.

Maybe just me, but that seams a little over the top, I do however like the idea of when dropping below X health, transform into a werewolf healing Yourself for X amount. With a 20 min cooldown. Like a second wind animal instinct sort of thing, call it fight or flight.

usmcjdking

Prothwata wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

I think WW's should get a little bit more than just an ulti and some marginal Stamina regen. It is completely lackluster.

I would prefer to see Call of the Pack changed to Hircine's Avatar.
- Once every 2/1 hours, when you drop below 20% health you transform into Hircine's Avatar for 10/15 seconds. You become impervious to all damage and crowd control, are unable to receive any healing/stamina or magicka (outside of health regeneration) for 15 seconds. Your health regeneration during this time is tripled. Hircine's Avatar increases weapon damage by 100%.

Nice little "OH ***" feat that makes WW much more fun and impactful.

Maybe just me, but that seams a little over the top, I do howerewolf like the idea of when dropping below X health, transform into a werewolf healing Yourself for X amount. With a 20 min cooldown. Like a second wind animal instinct sort of thing.

I think it's moderately balanced in PVE. DPSers could use it as a 2nd life skill at the cost of having their ultimate slotted. Tanks could also use it at the cost of losing aggro during that time, healers could also use it at the cost of their ultimate and the ability to heal the team for the duration. For some bosses this would be ideal, particularily ones with big AOE damage spikes like the sleepy bug dude in Darkshade.

Right now WW is just completely lackluster, it needs something BIG and more primal/uncontrollable. 15% stam regeneration is not enough reason for anyone to slot the ultimate.

PVP is a whole different can of worms, though.

RAGUNAnoOne

starkerealm wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Prothwata wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

Some people want easy mode for their afflictions. I want to feel the curse and enjoy the benefits that come from it.

Same here how can it be called a "curse" or "disease" if it is so easy to control and use all the advantages without the weaknesses mentioned in every lore section.

I do agree that we could spice up things a bit through vamp stages, and feedings. My main has been a vampire since launch and has not fed in over a year... this is sad, as I loved playing a vampire character in all other ES titles I've played. I have no need to feed in eso... tie our regeneration passive to feeding... make it a 4 hour buff so it isn't a crazy inconvenience, but something that has to be done.

Do the same to werewolf and our devour mechanic. Yes we have to slot the ultimate in order to devour and gain our regen passive... but don't have to slot it on both bars.

As werewolves we should be attacked by gaurds in cities
and vampires rank 4 should be the same.

I know it's not very "elder scrolls" but, I still like the idea of vampires having a persistent blood resource, that is consumed every time you use a vampiric ability (instead of simply draining Magicka). With the use of your powers actually dragging you into higher stages. So a blood starved vampire would actually have fewer resources at their disposal, but their resource use would be less efficient.

this sounds a lot like the Better Vampires mod for skyrim with the blood points enabled. hope they do something like random Moonlight Tales style forced transforms for WWs.

Yeah, I really should use Better Vampires on a playthrough... but I never have. I'm actually thinking of the Blood Pool system from White Wolf's games... which was what Better Vampires was also pulling from, IIRC.

Never played those games (don't laugh) but you should use it it is epic especially after the updates just be damn sure to read his site and instructions to the letter, wouldn't want him to catch you on a RTFM error on those forums.

starkerealm

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Prothwata wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

Some people want easy mode for their afflictions. I want to feel the curse and enjoy the benefits that come from it.

Same here how can it be called a "curse" or "disease" if it is so easy to control and use all the advantages without the weaknesses mentioned in every lore section.

I do agree that we could spice up things a bit through vamp stages, and feedings. My main has been a vampire since launch and has not fed in over a year... this is sad, as I loved playing a vampire character in all other ES titles I've played. I have no need to feed in eso... tie our regeneration passive to feeding... make it a 4 hour buff so it isn't a crazy inconvenience, but something that has to be done.

Do the same to werewolf and our devour mechanic. Yes we have to slot the ultimate in order to devour and gain our regen passive... but don't have to slot it on both bars.

As werewolves we should be attacked by gaurds in cities
and vampires rank 4 should be the same.

I know it's not very "elder scrolls" but, I still like the idea of vampires having a persistent blood resource, that is consumed every time you use a vampiric ability (instead of simply draining Magicka). With the use of your powers actually dragging you into higher stages. So a blood starved vampire would actually have fewer resources at their disposal, but their resource use would be less efficient.

this sounds a lot like the Better Vampires mod for skyrim with the blood points enabled. hope they do something like random Moonlight Tales style forced transforms for WWs.

Yeah, I really should use Better Vampires on a playthrough... but I never have. I'm actually thinking of the Blood Pool system from White Wolf's games... which was what Better Vampires was also pulling from, IIRC.

Never played those games (don't laugh) but you should use it it is epic especially after the updates just be damn sure to read his site and instructions to the letter, wouldn't want him to catch you on a RTFM error on those forums.

Why would I laugh? There are people on these forums who are too young to have played those when they were still popular.

Yeah, I forget if I've actually had Better Vampires installed or not. Either way, I don't remember seeing the install instructions. So, probably not.