Enough with the name calling

Runs

CapnPhoton wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Having a soap box to stand on, without having to face the person you are criticizing, really brings out the worst in some people.

Desk chair commandos. they can be as tough as they want when they are not actually facing someone.

I wonder if the 3 people that agreed with this comment are people who dislike the use of the terms in the original post. It's ok if they label other people, but it's not ok when other people label them. I believe there is a word or two for that...

P3ZZL3

Runs wrote: »

I believe there is a word or two for that...

Is it...Care Bears ???

Spottswoode

NDwarf wrote: »

The mods are coming down with the hammer. I got my slap yesterday but I had it coming. Their house, their rules. I came in and put my feet up on the couch so a slap upside the head is warranted heh.

But you think this is bad?

On PS4 area chat in Daggerfall there was an obviously young kid (said he was 6) squeeking on the mic and a good 4 or 5 young males (their voices sound like the pimply face kid from the Simpsons) cursing him out, cursing out his mom, and saying things that would get you incarcerated in real life. I mean if an 18 yo was outside cursing out a 6 yo child the police would lock him up (and probably beat the living crap out of him for "resisting").

That's online gaming in 2015 for you.

Ok...this has been said at least 1000 times over the ages, but a six year old has no business being online in an M rated game. Mainly because we all know what kind of moronic filth comes out of teenagers on these console networks. Letting your kid run around a verbal dodgeball arena yields predictable results. (Age matters.)
That doesn't excuse the teens' behavior, however. Bullying should not be tolerated.

Leandor

willymchilybily wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Dru1076 wrote: »

But why do people insist on insulting their fellows forum users with clearly insulting terms like "PVE Carebear" or "Elitist Ganker", or "PVE Whiner" or "brainless grinder"? Do we really need to resort to schoolyard language? I sometimes wonder at the abhorrent lack of respect between people talking about a game.

When people use terms like that I instantly know that their opinion is not worth listening to. So if nothing else it's a good filter for who deserves to be ignored.

Is there actually an ignore feature? there was one person i was looking to ignore, but couldn't work out how, i wonder if i get a "well done for being an adult and ignoring someone you think is an irritating troll instead of rising to the bait" badge

Just click on their username. That takes you to their profile, where you find a button in the top right corner that will hide their comments. You can still see that they have posted and if you click their post, it is revealed.

Robbmrp

Dru1076 wrote: »

I realise people will get passionate about ESO... And I should also point out I don't really expect anything but ridicule for saying this so fire away...

But why do people insist on insulting their fellows forum users with clearly insulting terms like "PVE Carebear" or "Elitist Ganker", or "PVE Whiner" or "brainless grinder"? Do we really need to resort to schoolyard language? I sometimes wonder at the abhorrent lack of respect between people talking about a game.

What do you guys think? I am not saying nerf the forums , I just wonder if anyone else has noticed how widespread this is and how do you guys feel about it being acceptable to call another poster a crybaby because they have a concern about something. I'm just saying maybe we can do better.

It's hard to get any compassion in the world today. People don't give a sh*t about anyone but themselves. All the while the internet has connected us in ways we never dreamed of, it's also given us the options of when to apply morals if at all. When you add that they don't have to look anyone in the face when they bash you, it just makes it that much easier.

It's far easier for people to be d*cks to each other than to smile and say hello. It's as though they are afraid the smile will crack their face or something.....

The internet....technologies answer to alcohols liquid courage....

bryanhaas

Dru1076 wrote: »

I realise people will get passionate about ESO... And I should also point out I don't really expect anything but ridicule for saying this so fire away...

But why do people insist on insulting their fellows forum users with clearly insulting terms like "PVE Carebear" or "Elitist Ganker", or "PVE Whiner" or "brainless grinder"? Do we really need to resort to schoolyard language? I sometimes wonder at the abhorrent lack of respect between people talking about a game.

What do you guys think? I am not saying nerf the forums , I just wonder if anyone else has noticed how widespread this is and how do you guys feel about it being acceptable to call another poster a crybaby because they have a concern about something. I'm just saying maybe we can do better.

Try the Destiny forums a million times worse. You guys here are mostly respectful, over there no matter what you say some *** comes along with a smartass comment for the express purpose of being a ***.

Prof_Bawbag

Spottswoode wrote: »

NDwarf wrote: »

The mods are coming down with the hammer. I got my slap yesterday but I had it coming. Their house, their rules. I came in and put my feet up on the couch so a slap upside the head is warranted heh.

But you think this is bad?

On PS4 area chat in Daggerfall there was an obviously young kid (said he was 6) squeeking on the mic and a good 4 or 5 young males (their voices sound like the pimply face kid from the Simpsons) cursing him out, cursing out his mom, and saying things that would get you incarcerated in real life. I mean if an 18 yo was outside cursing out a 6 yo child the police would lock him up (and probably beat the living crap out of him for "resisting").

That's online gaming in 2015 for you.

Ok...this has been said at least 1000 times over the ages, but a six year old has no business being online in an M rated game. Mainly because we all know what kind of moronic filth comes out of teenagers on these console networks. Letting your kid run around a verbal dodgeball arena yields predictable results. (Age matters.)
That doesn't excuse the teens' behavior, however. Bullying should not be tolerated.

I agree completely with your sentiment. The truth is though, there's nothing to say a 6 year old can't play the game or any game. It does beggar belief that some adults do expose their very young children to such things. Hell, some parents let their 6 year old kids play with real guns.

Funny you can stop people owning animals, but there's nothing to stop some idiot parents from having a child.

Asherons_Call

I've been exclusively a PVE player since AC back in 99, and AC was one of the most brutal PVP environments you can imagine. I've never been a fan of it, never will. Some players do enjoy ganking and whatnot but that's their prerogative. You get used to the verbal attacks because normally the person behind the PVP player is a more aggressive person. You just have to let it roll off your back and not stoop to that level.

Sallington

Asherons_Call wrote: »

I've been exclusively a PVE player since AC back in 99, and AC was one of the most brutal PVP environments you can imagine. I've never been a fan of it, never will. Some players do enjoy ganking and whatnot but that's their prerogative. You get used to the verbal attacks because normally the person behind the PVP player is a more aggressive person. You just have to let it roll off your back and not stoop to that level.

Classic carebear.


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RAGUNAnoOne

one thing is for sure, no matter what action you enforce people are still going to be jerks anyways.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Well most of the time when some one name calls it cause there upset that the game isn't going the way they want cause they think they game is meant to suit them and there play style but no ZOS is making changes to suit the game no one play style or group of players.

Like 0 stamina regen when blocking PvE players are saying it's PvP fault and there raging that PvP players have ruined PvE now but no ZOS made this change to cut down the perma blockers for both PvP and PvE.

But side note ZOS could have done that too by getting riding of block casting instead but the PvE players would have cried harder about that cause they apparently need block casting to do any content at all.

Eriquito3

Dru1076 wrote: »

I realise people will get passionate about ESO... And I should also point out I don't really expect anything but ridicule for saying this so fire away...

But why do people insist on insulting their fellows forum users with clearly insulting terms like "PVE Carebear" or "Elitist Ganker", or "PVE Whiner" or "brainless grinder"? Do we really need to resort to schoolyard language? I sometimes wonder at the abhorrent lack of respect between people talking about a game.

What do you guys think? I am not saying nerf the forums , I just wonder if anyone else has noticed how widespread this is and how do you guys feel about it being acceptable to call another poster a crybaby because they have a concern about something. I'm just saying maybe we can do better.

I insult people because I want you to feel terrible for not agreeing with me.

Phinix1

You forgot "PVP Sociopath."

Of course you are right, and name calling is pointless. But ZOS certainly isn't helping at all to hold the community together by forcing PVE players to be bait for CP grinding PVP players just to upgrade gear.

It is an insulting amateur move forcing PVE and PVP styles together, allowing uncapped CP grinding, which I believe is done to make PVE players easy targets for bored PVP players because it is quicker and cheaper than more innovative content.

That terrible decision more than anything is responsible for the decay of this community. PVE and PVP players have never been best pals in this game or forum due to ZOS constantly falling into the easy-out of breaking PVE abilities in the name of PVP "balance" and vice versa, however FORCING one playstyle to engage in another hated playstyle just to upgrade gear and access paid content is a whole new low.

Adding this cheap, 1990's era griefer favoring corpse loot BS where you get ganked and lose all progress is really beyond my ability to comprehend without breaking forum policy with conspiracy theories about ZOS intentionally trying to fail and destroy the community.

TL:DR - I blame frustrated players who feel betrayed and resort to name calling for losing their cool, but I blame whoever is making these terrible decisions at ZOS even more.

Sorry if that sounds mean spirited. It is just how I feel about it.

DaveMoeDee

Evarwyn wrote: »

I hear ya man. Though...such is the way of forums. Sometimes its just good to either stay away or keep in mind that someone experienced something really frustrating, and they're just venting.

Take it with a grain of salt.

Yeah. Some people just have a hard time handling disappointment or frustration.

Also, some people are just jerks.

DaveMoeDee

jackiemanuel wrote: »

It's easier to be entrenched in a position when you convince yourself that those who oppose you are dumb or bad in some way. It's lazy but very common unfortunately.

So true.

People like to think that their opinions are so solid, than anyone with a differing perspective is morally inferior. Some lack the empathy to understand how other people might enjoy the game and can only focus on how they personally want things to be.

NovaMarx

I agree. Some people just don't realize that what they are saying is insulting, or they just don't care. But compared to other forums (and social media) ESO forums are pretty "tame", at least from what I've seen. Most of the people here are calm and collected adults, which is reflected in the way people respond. Those who choose to act/react in an immature, insulting, or otherwise inappropriate manner, usually do so because they feel safe behind their screens.
A good rule: never take anything someone types online personally! Ain't nobody got time for that!

Darlgon

Phinix1 wrote: »

Of course you are right, and name calling is pointless. But ZOS certainly isn't helping at all to hold the community together by forcing PVE players to be bait for CP grinding PVP players just to upgrade gear.

Wait until Monday night....

demendred

Gyudan

"forum troll" ?

Dru1076

Spottswoode wrote: »

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

*laughing* I mean really....

If "PVE Carebear" or "Elitist Ganker", or "PVE Whiner" or "brainless grinder" are classed as insults...

Come work in Global Sales for a few weeks and see how you handle real life insults.

Come into my IT department. The Sys Admin will have choice words if you don't know exactly why you're there and will berate quite loudly (volume varies with system status) if you ask a stupid question. (Followed by "There's a reason we have the help desk, (insert insult here))

Thick skin is a good solution. Not caring is even better.

I spent 12 years in the army...try a drill sargeant who thinks your slacking, or a CO out to stamp his authority on you. Your boss has nothing on some of the people I've had to take orders from. And try a guy who actually has a gun and wants you dead.

But that's work. That's why you get paid to go to work. Its unpleasant, so someone has to compensate you. In a game, nobody is paying you, your paying them.

Phinix1

demendred wrote: »

Those greedy lobes!

But Quark gets a pass. He ALMOST embodies what once was our pioneering ad-venture capitalist SOUL.

Almost.

Fruitmass

Spottswoode wrote: »

NDwarf wrote: »

The mods are coming down with the hammer. I got my slap yesterday but I had it coming. Their house, their rules. I came in and put my feet up on the couch so a slap upside the head is warranted heh.

But you think this is bad?

On PS4 area chat in Daggerfall there was an obviously young kid (said he was 6) squeeking on the mic and a good 4 or 5 young males (their voices sound like the pimply face kid from the Simpsons) cursing him out, cursing out his mom, and saying things that would get you incarcerated in real life. I mean if an 18 yo was outside cursing out a 6 yo child the police would lock him up (and probably beat the living crap out of him for "resisting").

That's online gaming in 2015 for you.

Ok...this has been said at least 1000 times over the ages, but a six year old has no business being online in an M rated game. Mainly because we all know what kind of moronic filth comes out of teenagers on these console networks. Letting your kid run around a verbal dodgeball arena yields predictable results. (Age matters.)
That doesn't excuse the teens' behavior, however. Bullying should not be tolerated.

Meh, this behavior isn't strictly a prepubescent thing. I've met plenty of adults my age or older who could throw a tantrum that would shame a toddler. Conversely I've met many people younger than myself who are infinitely more patient, charitable, and compassionate than I could ever be.

Maturity isn't about age or being rigidly serious. It's about consideration and understanding. Knowing there's a time to crack the whip and a time to cut loose. Respecting the limits of what's acceptable and not crossing that line intentionally or without good reason.

Shimmer

I like pie.

mrskinskull

bryanhaas wrote: »

Dru1076 wrote: »

I realise people will get passionate about ESO... And I should also point out I don't really expect anything but ridicule for saying this so fire away...

But why do people insist on insulting their fellows forum users with clearly insulting terms like "PVE Carebear" or "Elitist Ganker", or "PVE Whiner" or "brainless grinder"? Do we really need to resort to schoolyard language? I sometimes wonder at the abhorrent lack of respect between people talking about a game.

What do you guys think? I am not saying nerf the forums , I just wonder if anyone else has noticed how widespread this is and how do you guys feel about it being acceptable to call another poster a crybaby because they have a concern about something. I'm just saying maybe we can do better.

Try the Destiny forums a million times worse. You guys here are mostly respectful, over there no matter what you say some *** comes along with a smartass comment for the express purpose of being a ***.

Yeah forums can be dismal. These are actually very nice.

Justice31st

I never understood the word care bear being used to flame gamers. When did caring about a game you have both invested time and money in become a negative thing? If giving my opinion on what will make my future gaming endeavors a more pleasurable experience makes me a care bear, then yes I too am a care bear. 4, 3, 2, 1.

Egonieser

Don't recall anyone calling me a Elitist Ganker in school yard :P

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO

BabeestorGor wrote: »

Because its the internet, people can hide behind usernames, never meet the people they are insulting

Several countries actually have laws stating that you must use a name that is immediately identifiable to you in a public forum/email, but it's rarely enforced. However there has been some prosecutions in the past. I'm guess it's one of them laws where if they can't get you for something then they have that to fall back on.

Lightninvash

Dru1076 wrote: »

I realise people will get passionate about ESO... And I should also point out I don't really expect anything but ridicule for saying this so fire away...

But why do people insist on insulting their fellows forum users with clearly insulting terms like "PVE Carebear" or "Elitist Ganker", or "PVE Whiner" or "brainless grinder"? Do we really need to resort to schoolyard language? I sometimes wonder at the abhorrent lack of respect between people talking about a game.

What do you guys think? I am not saying nerf the forums , I just wonder if anyone else has noticed how widespread this is and how do you guys feel about it being acceptable to call another poster a crybaby because they have a concern about something. I'm just saying maybe we can do better.

yes we do you carebear =p jk bud

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO

Runs wrote: »

CapnPhoton wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Having a soap box to stand on, without having to face the person you are criticizing, really brings out the worst in some people.

Desk chair commandos. they can be as tough as they want when they are not actually facing someone.

I wonder if the 3 people that agreed with this comment are people who dislike the use of the terms in the original post. It's ok if they label other people, but it's not ok when other people label them. I believe there is a word or two for that...

I can see where you are coming from, but I actually agree with Capn, it's actually a more polite way of what I actually call them. I'm all for healthy debate in a subject where both sides are presented, but it shouldn't have to resort to personal abuse. Yes, by all means educate the other person in the error of their ways, however if the education is in the form of snobbery, then expect a nose to get bloodied so to speak.

My personal view is that if you can give it you should be able to take it (with some exceptions though), but never be the first to start something that can get out of control.

UrQuan

Justice31st wrote: »

I never understood the word care bear being used to flame gamers. When did caring about a game you have both invested time and money in become a negative thing? If giving my opinion on what will make my future gaming endeavors a more pleasurable experience makes me a care bear, then yes I too am a care bear. 4, 3, 2, 1.

And if having a giant heart tattooed on my belly makes me a care bear, then I'll just go ahead and give you all the care bear stare!

My buddy actually wanted to get a giant heart tattoo on his belly like a care bear, but his wife wouldn't let him...