/lurk

Justice31st

/lurk

Gidorick

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

This is what I think of every time I see a /lurk:



Maybe I'm just too cynical, but I feel like the /lurk is just a way to quickly placate the masses without having to address controversial topics in a substantial way.

Lol. This made me chuckle. I'm not that cynical. I think /lurk simply acknowledges that Rich either agrees with the point or is in the least acknowledging that ZOS is aware that we think it's an issue. It's better than the absolute silence most of our posts receive.

OrphanHelgen

So its not allowed to BUMP a thread, but /lurk is ok?

Kobaal

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

So its not allowed to BUMP a thread, but /lurk is ok?

That is correct, because they are 2 completely different things.

Asherons_Call

Vigarr wrote: »

I get the lurk but the / part doesn't make sense...doesn't that mean close or end?

It's a PC thang

OrphanHelgen

Kobaal wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

So its not allowed to BUMP a thread, but /lurk is ok?

That is correct, because they are 2 completely different things.

Nice, next time I want a thread bumped I just type in /lurk, got it..

Reverb

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Kobaal wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

So its not allowed to BUMP a thread, but /lurk is ok?

That is correct, because they are 2 completely different things.

Nice, next time I want a thread bumped I just type in /lurk, got it..

Not the same thing. A /lurk is a subscription to a current discussion. Bumping an old thread is just...bumping an old thread.

Dahkoht

It's how they basically have been since the beginning , slightly better communication at the time , but nothing great , and it's only gotten worse.

There's so little communication overall that the white knights think that a /lurk is something to be hailed as being noticed.

It's a sad commentary that they can't learn spending a bit more time communicating hre , and not spending 30-40 mins describing a picture or two every week on the live stream , would go a long way to help overall community.

I've said it before , they made a great core game , they are just terrible at managing it.

Taleof2Cities

Xendyn wrote: »

It's a damn sight more than the big, fat 0 we got from Paul Sage. It's also better to encourage Any communication we get than it is to be negative and discourage progress, no matter how small.

^ This. ^

Dahkoht

BTW when's the last time Firor has actually had a conversation here ? Ever ?

And yes , leads and execs at other mmo's do actually post on the boards.

Yoshida and Jacobs are two perfect examples of good communicators.

Here at Zenimax you get the /lurk and it's hailed with thank yous.

Says a lot.

Runaan

It feels like most of you are missing the major point what is this /lurk about.

In short, there's a Creative Director, Rich Lambert, that from time to time does this /lurk post so that we are aware he is looking at forums and suggestions.
I actually haven't looked at the ZoS' name every time I saw /lurk post to determinate wether it always is just Rich or some other ZoS member altough Rich Lambert is known for this /lurking in forums and also has his own shirt with /lurk written over it.

If you want to ensure yourself, watch ESO Live Ep. 23 where RIch Lambers joins around 18:20.

Justice31st

I feel /lurk for moderators is a passive way of saying, "We are listening to your opinions, but we are afraid of facing persecution if we voice our own."

Armitas

If they post, it opens up a conversation and more questions get asked than can be handled and speculation arises from questions not answered. /lurk is just a safe way of saying. "hey we heard you and were thinking about this". It's a good thing. Sure we want more but at least we get to walk away knowing that they heard us.

EQBallzz

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

This is what I think of every time I see a /lurk:



Maybe I'm just too cynical, but I feel like the /lurk is just a way to quickly placate the masses without having to address controversial topics in a substantial way.

That's sort of what I was thinking. I don't know if the whole /lurk thing is genuine or not but if all they have to do to make people believe they are listening to players is post /lurk then I suggest they change it to /lark.

Mojmir

Oh I speak lurka durka

SG_Celerrimus

I have faith that the /lurk means your opinions have been heard by ZOS.

Tolmos

I, for one, really appreciate the /lurks. It lets me know that the issue is on the devs radar, and that they want to know what we think on the issue enough that they will be watching. By /lurking, they encourage people to keep the through going rather than dying out in obscurity, getting real conversation going.

I think it's something more game companies should do.

Gidorick

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

I have faith that the /lurk means your opinions have been heard by ZOS.

And if no /lurk?.... those posts are un-heard?

Mojmir

if a /lurk gets posted on the forums and no one is around to see it,is it heard?

Arunei

I can sorta see why /lurk is used as opposed to engaging in actual discussion. Over on a site called Flight Rising (basically a dragon breeding game thing), the devs don't reply to topics made in the Suggestion board. They do this because they don't want to give the impression that a topic is either supported (if the devs say something positive) or that a topic is completely being ignored. Instead they merely let people discuss suggestions and don't stifle the threads but offering their own input.

Also, keep in mind that one dev saying something like, "That's a pretty cool idea" could very well be taken to mean "OMFG THIS IS GETTING PUT INTO THE NEXT PATCH" to some people, and that's how rumors get started. Better for them to just give us a non-intrusive sign that they're aware of what's being posted than risk posting something in a way that incites rage, flames, and rumors.

JD2013

I think /lurk is perfectly fine.

I think this because the devs do not have enough time in the day to answer every little whim on these forums.

And given the sheer amount of negativity on these forums at times, it would be akin to throwing people to a pack of lions in the collusseum in times of old.

This is also what ESO Live is for. People may not get the answers they want, but they do engage with the community.

Artis

I think topics with /lurk and topics where moderators posted something like "we renamed the topic", "we encourage opinions but be respectful" etc should not be marked with "Z", so we don't waste time looking for some new info which might be related to the game issues (e.g. balance, race change, skills changes etc).

Justice31st

Artemis wrote: »

I think topics with /lurk and topics where moderators posted something like "we renamed the topic", "we encourage opinions but be respectful" etc should not be marked with "Z", so we don't waste time looking for some new info which might be related to the game issues (e.g. balance, race change, skills changes etc).

Agreed, a waste of that kilobytes out of my bandwith. =P

b92303008rwb17_ESO

gimpdrb14_ESO wrote: »

its pretty dam annoying when someone asks a good question and to see someone form zos on the post only to find it be a /lurk
i say if zos doesnt have anything meaningful to say in a post they should just stay out of the post.

If people from ZOS don't /lurk anymore , people will say: ZOS never listens to us. As a matter of fact, while their posting /lurk without leaving or doing anything else sometimes can be irritating, I find your post far more annoying and meaningless than that.

Justice31st

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P3ZZL3

Justice31st wrote: »

I feel the /lurk as more of a troll than having us being noticed, since for over 1 year almost all our complaints haven't been heard or fixed.

Not entirely true is it. I know one of my suggestions is being implemented so to say "All our complaints" is just wrong.

When someone says "hey guys, this feature here seems to be broken or not working, can you take a look at it. Pretty sure X should be happening instead of Y" - this is more than likely going to be looked at and commented on.

When someone says "OMG, fix Trading System, put in Global Auction House immediately" then clearly this is something that is so deeply ingrained in to the game that it would be a massive overhaul to change it. This is NOT something that would happen quickly, if ever.

There's also a hell of a lot of "X game has this, why doesn't ESO have this, please implement it..." and to be honest, it would probably get on my t*ts thinking to myself "well, that's because this game is not X"....

Xendyn

Justice31st wrote: »

I feel /lurk for moderators is a passive way of saying, "We are listening to your opinions, but we are afraid of facing persecution if we voice our own."

First, learn the difference between a mod and a Dev.

Justice31st wrote: »

I feel the /lurk as more of a troll than having us being noticed, since for over 1 year almost all our complaints haven't been heard or fixed.

Furthermore that particular Dev who is the only one that does the /lurk is the Creative Director of the game.
Getting the attention of the Creative Director is not a small thing, nor is it a troll.

Alucardo

I'd probably wet myself if rich posted /lurk in this thread and then disappeared into the shadows

Justice31st

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

I feel the /lurk as more of a troll than having us being noticed, since for over 1 year almost all our complaints haven't been heard or fixed.

Not entirely true is it. I know one of my suggestions is being implemented so to say "All our complaints" is just wrong.

When someone says "hey guys, this feature here seems to be broken or not working, can you take a look at it. Pretty sure X should be happening instead of Y" - this is more than likely going to be looked at and commented on.

When someone says "OMG, fix Trading System, put in Global Auction House immediately" then clearly this is something that is so deeply ingrained in to the game that it would be a massive overhaul to change it. This is NOT something that would happen quickly, if ever.

There's also a hell of a lot of "X game has this, why doesn't ESO have this, please implement it..." and to be honest, it would probably get on my t*ts thinking to myself "well, that's because this game is not X"....

Xendyn wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

I feel /lurk for moderators is a passive way of saying, "We are listening to your opinions, but we are afraid of facing persecution if we voice our own."

First, learn the difference between a mod and a Dev.

Justice31st wrote: »

I feel the /lurk as more of a troll than having us being noticed, since for over 1 year almost all our complaints haven't been heard or fixed.

Furthermore that particular Dev who is the only one that does the /lurk is the Creative Director of the game.
Getting the attention of the Creative Director is not a small thing, nor is it a troll.

Hey if you guys feel like your voices are being heard and are happy and satisfied with the copy and pasted Dev responses and an occasional /lurk from the Creative Director with no direct feedback to legitimate and popular player concerns, then my bad and by no means is it a troll.