Why does zos hate the eso commerce community

Uriel_Nocturne

Because being able to find anything would be next to impossible.

You'd list something you're selling/looking to buy, then your post would get buried under hundreds of other posts in less than an hour.

Look in the "Players Helping Players" sub-Forum, specifically the "Looking for *blank* bite" threads.

You can't find anyone offering a bite, nor get any kind of deal worked out as any post looking for or offering a bite gets buried by hundreds of follow-up posts in less than a half-hour. A "Commerce/Trading" thread would most definitely suffer the same fate.

If they made a "Commerce/Trading" sub-Forum, then you have to deal with thousands of posts for people selling/buying/trading the exact same item. You wouldn't be able to get anything done amongst the flood of identical threads/posts.

I imagine that this reasoning is a hefty part of Zeni's decision to keep commerce/trading out of the Forums, and I have to agree with that assessment.

It would be a nightmare.

KaleidoscopeEyz

All opinions and baised observations. But here are the facts. eso lacks in efficent communication, people are having difficulty tradeing, doing group content, communicating with their guikds, and even getting into guilds.

These are not facts. I'm new to the game since console launch and I disagree. People are having difficulty trading? Not I. I have 120 items in the guild store and things move fairly quickly.

Doing group content and communicating with guilds. Use your guild channels and guild master can update the guild message.

Getting into guilds? I'm in 4 and I didn't even try getting into guilds until a month ago and they are all 500 people. Use these forums for the guild threads. Get on a waiting list.

danno8

KaleidoscopeEyz wrote: »

All opinions and baised observations. But here are the facts. eso lacks in efficent communication, people are having difficulty tradeing, doing group content, communicating with their guikds, and even getting into guilds.

These are not facts. I'm new to the game since console launch and I disagree. People are having difficulty trading? Not I. I have 120 items in the guild store and things move fairly quickly.

Doing group content and communicating with guilds. Use your guild channels and guild master can update the guild message.

Getting into guilds? I'm in 4 and I didn't even try getting into guilds until a month ago and they are all 500 people. Use these forums for the guild threads. Get on a waiting list.

It IS fact that they are lacking compared to other mmos.

Dahkoht

Here's my main beef.

They couldn't even code in a decent search function inside the 5 guild system.

Add-on's have to be used to actually make the 5 guild , or guild vendor search system work at all.

So inside their own decision for no global AH , they even went the lazy route on the functionality of what they did put in.

You can't even search for an item inside your own guild's store by name.

You have to pick 5 different damn categories using the built in system.

Someone please white knight up and defend that decision.

starkerealm

KaleidoscopeEyz wrote: »

First, it's incredibly easy to prove. Not, for you. But you're not the one who needs to prove it. For ZoS? Yes, it really should be easy for them to keep track of. All they need to do is thread up the chat logs. If they're not keeping any, then that is both incredibly stupid, and an enormous liability.

I'm assuming voice chat here on the console, which I doubt they are recording. If they are, do you really think they area going to review all of this voice chat? Not gonna happen. If it's typed chat on PC, you would be correct.

Like I said, I know Microsoft keeps logs of their VOIP chatter. Because it comes up on those, "my kid was banned from XBox Live, little Timmy would never do something like that," threads that end with audio of their twelve-year old telling people to kill themselves, or screaming racial or homophobic slurs at people. So, yeah, that gets logged.

And, honestly, I'd be fairly surprised if ZoS doesn't. So, yes, report people for the stuff they say in chat.

Uneed2Stop

starkerealm wrote: »

OzJohnD wrote: »

ZO doesn't hate you ... it's just not very smart in their product design.

Actually? It's fairly sharp. ZoS had an idea of what they wanted, and they engineered a system that produces those results. It prevents a homogeneous auction system that results in no player interaction (to speak of), and promotes a system where players will actually have to interact with one another directly, to some degree, in order to get stuff.

You would never, in an MMO with a global auction house, have to actually talk to other players to find out where you could find something on the AH. You'd just go to one and check. Here, there is room for actual interaction like that.

So, no, it does what it's supposed to. You might not like that. Or want that. Which is fine. But, it's not a stupid design. Just one you're not fond of.

I agree dude. Eso is the one game where if i want something, I need to go to a populated town and talk to people and ask them if they have what i want. And then there is negotiating with YOUR WORDS AND VOICE, not a keyboard. I enjoy it a lot. And it brings something more personal to an MMO. It seems everyone wants eso to be like every other MMO, but it has its own charm. I was raged about the text chat not being included on console at first, but then i realized. Im actually talking and interacting with people to quest/find groups/trade, not just sitting in my house like a hermit typing what i need and just getting it. Plus text chat removes a bit of immersiveness for me. I still kinda want it but im fine without it And trading is alive and well with voice chat. If i mention i want something ill have 5 people ready to trade it with me, competing for my gold immediately. Its more social then any mmo i've ever played before. And it actually DOES have an economy to it. Plus if people are blasting music I CAN JUST WALK AWAY like in real life.

Masuimi

Main problem with trader kiosks is you can't search by item name, and your search settings are not saved.
It's pretty annoying having to change your search settings every time when you have to check through 8+ vendors for 1 item.

Tandor

I don't want any form of trading system on the forums, but I do want an effective trading system open to all regardless of level, alliance, or other artificial barrier such as guild membership in the game. It's so central to any MMO, and the present guild trader system is utterly broken and effectively open only to a few well-established guilds of mainly high level players. Even those guilds for whom it works have to labour long and hard to operate it, and many only do so successfully by charging their members extortionate charges and imposing strict conditions in order to participate. One way or another, it needs fixing.

CromulentForumID

These are not facts. I'm new to the game since console launch and I disagree. People are having difficulty trading? Not I. I have 120 items in the guild store and things move fairly quickly.

Doing group content and communicating with guilds. Use your guild channels and guild master can update the guild message.

Getting into guilds? I'm in 4 and I didn't even try getting into guilds until a month ago and they are all 500 people. Use these forums for the guild threads. Get on a waiting list.

The fact that things work for you does not mean they are not a challenge or a barrier to other people. "Not I" is really not an argument against how well the system works in general. Or for other people. This point is the one thing I find missing from a lot of the posts defending the current system. Guilds are a barrier to entry, and not one that should just be hand-waved away. Your 120 items in the guild store move quickly, but do 120 of the same items move half as fast, or at all, if you put them in different guilds? I think you see the point.

I do not think that a core part of an MMO, trading schwag, should be placed behind a barrier like a guild. You can disagree, but would you if you were not in a guild? Will you admit that you maybe weren't better at the game because you found guilds? Maybe you just got lucky you managed to not spend much time and also found well-run guilds.

Many people are not fans of the fact that you need to spend time not playing the game in order to get into a guild. Sure, you can get a blind invite, but the ways you can actually put directed effort into joining a guild are to visit forums or talk to people in game. Neither of those involves playing the game. It is possible to not spend much time doing these things, or it is possible to have to spend a lot. I think it is OK that some people are not big fans of needing to work outside of a game in order to use features of a game. And even if you put the time in, there is no guarantee the guilds you find are good, or active, or anything you want to participate in. You can spend the time and still not get the outcome you want. In other words, it's not always as simple as "just put the work in."

For me personally, I don't even care about buying. I figure I will get what I want eventually. I care that there is no good way for me to sell to players. I don't play enough to meet the time or money donation requirements of the larger trade guilds. I don't play a game to incur additional obligations. I have some things that others may find useful because the RNG god was not as kind to them, and it annoys me that I can't post them for sale. I could hit the forums, but I am not playing the game. I could stand there and announce over voice I have things for sale, but then I am not playing the game, and I am also being an annoying tool.

I am more than willing to trade the convenience of a centralized AH for the potential risk of a couple of items having their market cornered. This concern seems more like a Boogeyman than any real problem to me anyway. I also realize that design choices were made, and maybe one large AH is not even technically possible. I just wish more people would not dismiss the barriers the guild system does present.

TL;DR The guild system working for you does not mean that it works for everyone.