Why does zos hate the eso commerce community

crytantrevors

Why no trading thread on forums so you can find what you want easier?
Why when people try to trade on forums does zos shut down those threads and insist that their ingame system is suffcient when its clearly not and no one can ever find what they want without hours of searching...
Why no text chat which would make selling and buying alot easier...
Why does zos think area voice chat is sufficiant for buying and selling when 90% of it is either people playing annoying music or 40 people talking over each other or imature people just being racist...

When will zos admit they effed the pooch and fix this by just adding an auction house feature at every banker location or at the very least add a forum specifically for trading.... Is it me or am i just the only one that thinks things need to change.. Especially since the devs claim they care and listen to the community but what they really meant to say was they only listen to the negative and nerf stuff they should leave alone and ignore anything thats possitive or constructive especialy when it means admitting they were wrong cause it would hurt their egos... Devs you need to fix this asap even though i know u will ignore us and scre w us all over like usal...

Weethor

I totally agree. It's a farce in my eyes. I wonder if maybe they are concerned with maybe the lore of the game, how can you have an AH with 3 warring factions. Maybe they could tie in an AH service through the thieves guild which would fit in well with the lore as it will be neutral. The current system is pants for lack of a better word. I play on the ps4 and the full social side is completely broken due to no text chat imho. There may be some who argue they have great social circles but in general it's brutal I feel.

MilwaukeeScott

There is no real economy on PS4.

It's a shame.

starkerealm

crytantrevors wrote: »

Why no trading thread on forums so you can find what you want easier?

Because thread necroing would make it unusable in fairly short order.

Someone posts a purple motif they have for sale, and six months later, after it's been sold, you get some idiot wandering in, saying they want to buy it and then loosing their mind that, no it really was sold four months ago, but they didn't see that halfway down the page.

crytantrevors wrote: »

Why when people try to trade on forums does zos shut down those threads and insist that their ingame system is suffcient when its clearly not and no one can ever find what they want without hours of searching...

It's going to depend on the caliber of your guilds. I can usually find what I'm looking for pretty quickly. Even stuff I'm not looking for, like the dwemer motif pages or imperial motifs.

The guild kiosks actually do work. I get they're a little awkward, especially with the default UI... but, you can actually use those. If you know what you're looking for. You might pay a little extra, but you will be able to find that thing you're looking for in the major cities. You might get lucky and find it a lot cheaper out in the countryside or you might waste your time.

crytantrevors wrote: »

Why no text chat which would make selling and buying alot easier...
Why does zos think area voice chat is sufficiant for buying and selling when 90% of it is either people playing annoying music or 40 people talking over each other or imature people just being racist...

Report 'em. If someone's screaming racist slurs in chat, then freakin' report them.

crytantrevors wrote: »

When will zos admit they effed the pooch and fix this by just adding an auction house feature at every banker location or at the very least add a forum specifically for trading....

Hey, guess what, they did. You just need to be in a guild to access it's banking feature. Hey, guess what? You can actually join those guilds on these forums. Just go and look for them.

crytantrevors wrote: »

Is it me or am i just the only one that thinks things need to change..

No, a lot of people don't understand the system and keep begging for it to be easier, so they don't have to try to understand what's going on.

crytantrevors wrote: »

Especially since the devs claim they care and listen to the community but what they really meant to say was they only listen to the negative and nerf stuff they should leave alone and ignore anything thats possitive or constructive especialy when it means admitting they were wrong cause it would hurt their egos...

Yeah, I do have to complement you. When asking for a feature from the devs, the single most important thing is to insult them. That will surely cause them to reconsider all of their life decisions that brought them to this point.

crytantrevors wrote: »

Devs you need to fix this asap even though i know u will ignore us and scre w us all over like usal...

Er, what?

XarxesTheScribe

It's absolutely beyond me. I'm certain Zen is looking at everything their players want, and trying to do the complete opposite. No auction house, leaving us to travel all over each map looking for items. It's beyond annoying, yet they insist on forcing us to do it.

Then, we try to trade on the forums, to prevent the hassles of that ridiculous system, and they close the threads, telling us we have to do it.

Now, people are actually setting up third-party websites to try and help.

Seriously, Zen. You're forcing us to go through third-party websites.

starkerealm

XarxesTheScribe wrote: »

It's absolutely beyond me. I'm certain Zen is looking at everything their players want, and trying to do the complete opposite. No auction house, leaving us to travel all over each map looking for items. It's beyond annoying, yet they insist on forcing us to do it.

No. The lack of an auction house makes sense. Well, it makes sense for what they're trying to do. They want to make it impossible for one or twenty players to actually corner the market on something, and then turn around and wreck the economy. Which, I mean, this does do that. The lack of a global auction house makes it impossible to meaningfully alter the value of any rare commodity by buying them up, and reselling at a new price. Even if you could clean them out of the public guilds, you couldn't get rid of them from the private trading guilds, and you couldn't force people to accept your price.

It makes flipping stuff in bulk a lot harder.

Which was the point.

Sharmony

starkerealm wrote: »

XarxesTheScribe wrote: »

It's absolutely beyond me. I'm certain Zen is looking at everything their players want, and trying to do the complete opposite. No auction house, leaving us to travel all over each map looking for items. It's beyond annoying, yet they insist on forcing us to do it.

No. The lack of an auction house makes sense. Well, it makes sense for what they're trying to do. They want to make it impossible for one or twenty players to actually corner the market on something, and then turn around and wreck the economy. Which, I mean, this does do that. The lack of a global auction house makes it impossible to meaningfully alter the value of any rare commodity by buying them up, and reselling at a new price. Even if you could clean them out of the public guilds, you couldn't get rid of them from the private trading guilds, and you couldn't force people to accept your price.

It makes flipping stuff in bulk a lot harder.

Which was the point.

Couldn't agree more about this point but there still are some money barons who do monopolize some small markets, even with that though, the guild store system does attempt to bring some diversity and as ESO tries to show, that's a good thing.

OzJohnD

ZO doesn't hate you ... it's just not very smart in their product design.

OzJohnD

Logistically a single AH would be impossible to code and manage .... if you think ESO has problems with server load now, imagine the majority of server processing power going to handle a single mega server AH database

OzJohnD

I'm already connected to two third party websites for trading.

NewBlacksmurf

The goal is to keep certain things out and bring other concepts in.
You'll find yourself really frustrated if your expectations for this game are that of other MMO's or if you're a person who has attached game features to a genre vs looking at a game to allow it to have its own features.

Lots of posts seem to identify people's desires to play a completely different game in this skin or their desires to bring other games features into this game.

It's a different game...no hate, it's just different. Some of us like change

KaleidoscopeEyz

Report 'em. If someone's screaming racist slurs in chat, then freakin' report them.

This is super hard to prove. I'm not even sure that this is ZOS's area or if this would fall to Xbox/PSN. I have a feeling it would fall to Microsoft to handle and I believe they would do nothing. Also, being racist and saying racist things aren't a crime, only the actions that support it and impede on other's rights or violate laws are.

starkerealm

OzJohnD wrote: »

ZO doesn't hate you ... it's just not very smart in their product design.

Actually? It's fairly sharp. ZoS had an idea of what they wanted, and they engineered a system that produces those results. It prevents a homogeneous auction system that results in no player interaction (to speak of), and promotes a system where players will actually have to interact with one another directly, to some degree, in order to get stuff.

You would never, in an MMO with a global auction house, have to actually talk to other players to find out where you could find something on the AH. You'd just go to one and check. Here, there is room for actual interaction like that.

So, no, it does what it's supposed to. You might not like that. Or want that. Which is fine. But, it's not a stupid design. Just one you're not fond of.

starkerealm

KaleidoscopeEyz wrote: »

Report 'em. If someone's screaming racist slurs in chat, then freakin' report them.

This is super hard to prove. I'm not even sure that this is ZOS's area or if this would fall to Xbox/PSN. I have a feeling it would fall to Microsoft to handle and I believe they would do nothing. Also, being racist and saying racist things aren't a crime, only the actions that support it and impede on other's rights or violate laws are.

Well, okay, there's a lot of wrong to unpack here.

First, it's incredibly easy to prove. Not, for you. But you're not the one who needs to prove it. For ZoS? Yes, it really should be easy for them to keep track of. All they need to do is thread up the chat logs. If they're not keeping any, then that is both incredibly stupid, and an enormous liability.

It isn't Microsoft's problem. Though, you can certainly take it to them instead. And, they do keep logs of voice chat, IIRC. If they have logs of in game chat, I don't know. But stuff that goes over their normal VOIP servers? Oh, you better believe it.

As for this not being a crime? So what? It is a violation of the contract you signed with ZoS. You know, those terms of service you skimmed over when you were agreeing to the EULA? Yeah, that's actually a contract. A legally binding contract. You break the terms of it, they can terminate your account at will. It says so, in the EULA.

Even if that wasn't the case, it's not like your first amendment rights apply here.

Look, your freedom of speech applies to government action. That is to say, you cannot be literally arrested for your actions. The first amendment does not protect you from private action. ZoS and Microsoft are not governmental agencies. They are not tangled up in the legal prohibitions that force them to silently listen to whatever you spout off. If they want you out, they can, and will.

So, yeah, report them. Don't tell me it's hard. Just do it. And go on with your day. Because, honestly, this has nothing to do with criminal action.

danno8

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The goal is to keep certain things out and bring other concepts in.
You'll find yourself really frustrated if your expectations for this game are that of other MMO's or if you're a person who has attached game features to a genre vs looking at a game to allow it to have its own features.

Lots of posts seem to identify people's desires to play a completely different game in this skin or their desires to bring other games features into this game.

It's a different game...no hate, it's just different. Some of us like change

Problem is the "new" features are in many cases just a lack of features. Nothing new or improved.

-Don't like global AH's? We have a new feature called...no global AH! (keep in mind they didn't even have guild kiosks until people asked for SOMETHING)
-Don't like floating numbers on your UI? We thought hard and long on how to make it more immersive and came up with...no numbers at all!
-Don't you hat all those buff icons from other games? We came up with a great way to show you your buffs and debuffs that no one thought about before. We just removed all of them!
-Text chat spam got you down? Boom!! Gone too! Now you can hear voice chat spam instead!

It's like they threw the baby out with the bath water and called it a day on many of their "new concepts". I like change and different approaches to gameplay also, but I don't see anything new here at all, just a lack of features period.

Dahkoht

danno8 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The goal is to keep certain things out and bring other concepts in.
You'll find yourself really frustrated if your expectations for this game are that of other MMO's or if you're a person who has attached game features to a genre vs looking at a game to allow it to have its own features.

Lots of posts seem to identify people's desires to play a completely different game in this skin or their desires to bring other games features into this game.

It's a different game...no hate, it's just different. Some of us like change

Problem is the "new" features are in many cases just a lack of features. Nothing new or improved.

-Don't like global AH's? We have a new feature called...no global AH! (keep in mind they didn't even have guild kiosks until people asked for SOMETHING)
-Don't like floating numbers on your UI? We thought hard and long on how to make it more immersive and came up with...no numbers at all!
-Don't you hat all those buff icons from other games? We came up with a great way to show you your buffs and debuffs that no one thought about before. We just removed all of them!
-Text chat spam got you down? Boom!! Gone too! Now you can hear voice chat spam instead!

It's like they threw the baby out with the bath water and called it a day on many of their "new concepts". I like change and different approaches to gameplay also, but I don't see anything new here at all, just a lack of features period.

Most of this can be attributed to their flow chart on an option that requires more coding and work vs just not having X feature and calling it "innovative"

danno8

starkerealm wrote: »

OzJohnD wrote: »

ZO doesn't hate you ... it's just not very smart in their product design.

Actually? It's fairly sharp. ZoS had an idea of what they wanted, and they engineered a system that produces those results. It prevents a homogeneous auction system that results in no player interaction (to speak of), and promotes a system where players will actually have to interact with one another directly, to some degree, in order to get stuff.

This point is fairly moot. In other mmos people interact and sell with each other face to face all the time. You've never seen a WTB or WTS or WTT in other mmos?

idk

Another thread of this topic. Fortunately they die fast since most players like and accept the trading system in ESO.

Kudos to ESO for not the excruciatingly boring central AH that is used when the developers lack imagination.

starkerealm

danno8 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

OzJohnD wrote: »

ZO doesn't hate you ... it's just not very smart in their product design.

Actually? It's fairly sharp. ZoS had an idea of what they wanted, and they engineered a system that produces those results. It prevents a homogeneous auction system that results in no player interaction (to speak of), and promotes a system where players will actually have to interact with one another directly, to some degree, in order to get stuff.

This point is fairly moot. In other mmos people interact and sell with each other face to face all the time. You've never seen a WTB or WTS or WTT in other mmos?

Not as much as in ESO. And if that's the point? Then, mission accomplished.

danno8

starkerealm wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

OzJohnD wrote: »

ZO doesn't hate you ... it's just not very smart in their product design.

Actually? It's fairly sharp. ZoS had an idea of what they wanted, and they engineered a system that produces those results. It prevents a homogeneous auction system that results in no player interaction (to speak of), and promotes a system where players will actually have to interact with one another directly, to some degree, in order to get stuff.

This point is fairly moot. In other mmos people interact and sell with each other face to face all the time. You've never seen a WTB or WTS or WTT in other mmos?

Not as much as in ESO. And if that's the point? Then, mission accomplished.

lol, ok. Feel free to tack on whatever unprovable % increase figure you wish to your statement. From my personal experience I can say I feel no more "social" in ESO than I do in other mmos due solely to the lack of an AH. That's my point. Mission accomplished.

danno8

starkerealm wrote: »

KaleidoscopeEyz wrote: »

Report 'em. If someone's screaming racist slurs in chat, then freakin' report them.

This is super hard to prove. I'm not even sure that this is ZOS's area or if this would fall to Xbox/PSN. I have a feeling it would fall to Microsoft to handle and I believe they would do nothing. Also, being racist and saying racist things aren't a crime, only the actions that support it and impede on other's rights or violate laws are.

Well, okay, there's a lot of wrong to unpack here.

First, it's incredibly easy to prove. Not, for you. But you're not the one who needs to prove it. For ZoS? Yes, it really should be easy for them to keep track of. All they need to do is thread up the chat logs. If they're not keeping any, then that is both incredibly stupid, and an enormous liability.

It isn't Microsoft's problem. Though, you can certainly take it to them instead. And, they do keep logs of voice chat, IIRC. If they have logs of in game chat, I don't know. But stuff that goes over their normal VOIP servers? Oh, you better believe it.

As for this not being a crime? So what? It is a violation of the contract you signed with ZoS. You know, those terms of service you skimmed over when you were agreeing to the EULA? Yeah, that's actually a contract. A legally binding contract. You break the terms of it, they can terminate your account at will. It says so, in the EULA.

Even if that wasn't the case, it's not like your first amendment rights apply here.

Look, your freedom of speech applies to government action. That is to say, you cannot be literally arrested for your actions. The first amendment does not protect you from private action. ZoS and Microsoft are not governmental agencies. They are not tangled up in the legal prohibitions that force them to silently listen to whatever you spout off. If they want you out, they can, and will.

So, yeah, report them. Don't tell me it's hard. Just do it. And go on with your day. Because, honestly, this has nothing to do with criminal action.

Though I do want to say I agree with you here. It is incredible how many people think they can say or do whatever they want without repercussion, citing freedom of speech. Yah that don't fly in private businesses. Society can kick you out of any club they feel like, with a few limits like discrimination based on sex, race, etc...

Sithisvoid

They don't care unless we are directly paying them.

danno8 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The goal is to keep certain things out and bring other concepts in.
You'll find yourself really frustrated if your expectations for this game are that of other MMO's or if you're a person who has attached game features to a genre vs looking at a game to allow it to have its own features.

Lots of posts seem to identify people's desires to play a completely different game in this skin or their desires to bring other games features into this game.

It's a different game...no hate, it's just different. Some of us like change

Problem is the "new" features are in many cases just a lack of features. Nothing new or improved.

-Don't like global AH's? We have a new feature called...no global AH! (keep in mind they didn't even have guild kiosks until people asked for SOMETHING)
-Don't like floating numbers on your UI? We thought hard and long on how to make it more immersive and came up with...no numbers at all!
-Don't you hat all those buff icons from other games? We came up with a great way to show you your buffs and debuffs that no one thought about before. We just removed all of them!
-Text chat spam got you down? Boom!! Gone too! Now you can hear voice chat spam instead!

It's like they threw the baby out with the bath water and called it a day on many of their "new concepts". I like change and different approaches to gameplay also, but I don't see anything new here at all, just a lack of features period.

^Exactly.

SugaComa

crytantrevors wrote: »

Why no trading thread on forums so you can find what you want easier?
Why when people try to trade on forums does zos shut down those threads and insist that their ingame system is suffcient when its clearly not and no one can ever find what they want without hours of searching...
Why no text chat which would make selling and buying alot easier...
Why does zos think area voice chat is sufficiant for buying and selling when 90% of it is either people playing annoying music or 40 people talking over each other or imature people just being racist...

When will zos admit they effed the pooch and fix this by just adding an auction house feature at every banker location or at the very least add a forum specifically for trading.... Is it me or am i just the only one that thinks things need to change.. Especially since the devs claim they care and listen to the community but what they really meant to say was they only listen to the negative and nerf stuff they should leave alone and ignore anything thats possitive or constructive especialy when it means admitting they were wrong cause it would hurt their egos... Devs you need to fix this asap even though i know u will ignore us and scre w us all over like usal...

Encourage people to sign up n use http://esotradingpost.uk then

NewBlacksmurf

danno8 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The goal is to keep certain things out and bring other concepts in.
You'll find yourself really frustrated if your expectations for this game are that of other MMO's or if you're a person who has attached game features to a genre vs looking at a game to allow it to have its own features.

Lots of posts seem to identify people's desires to play a completely different game in this skin or their desires to bring other games features into this game.

It's a different game...no hate, it's just different. Some of us like change

Problem is the "new" features are in many cases just a lack of features. Nothing new or improved.

-Don't like global AH's? We have a new feature called...no global AH! (keep in mind they didn't even have guild kiosks until people asked for SOMETHING)
-Don't like floating numbers on your UI? We thought hard and long on how to make it more immersive and came up with...no numbers at all!
-Don't you hat all those buff icons from other games? We came up with a great way to show you your buffs and debuffs that no one thought about before. We just removed all of them!
-Text chat spam got you down? Boom!! Gone too! Now you can hear voice chat spam instead!

It's like they threw the baby out with the bath water and called it a day on many of their "new concepts". I like change and different approaches to gameplay also, but I don't see anything new here at all, just a lack of features period.

To be honest, I do not prefer everything you just mentioned.
You raise a lot of features that seemingly were a part of the prior games that exist on PC in this genre.

This isn't PC and the genre doesn't come with features, a developer makes feature decisions when creating any game regardless of genre. There are games on console in this genre that may have some or all of those features you are accustomed to but you're here and not there for a reason.

I disagree with your last statement as well, the reality is the game was developed for the market this company found as profitable and who they knew would enjoy it. PC and console don't actually have the same targets therefore we each would want to buy as it pertains to our interests and enjoyment.

That's pretty much it.
Personally, I'm happy with the choices they've made and love the game presentation in respects to each platform as I own it on PC and Xbox One. I still play PTS on PC and the regular game on Xbox One.

Maybe another game that is out or that's coming will be more to your liking. I would say, give the game another try and use what exists and lets also continue feedback on current in-game features that are not working as intended.

XarxesTheScribe

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Another thread of this topic. Fortunately they die fast since most players like and accept the trading system in ESO.

Kudos to ESO for not the excruciatingly boring central AH that is used when the developers lack imagination.

^^ Lol. I don't know if you were attempting to make a joke, or if you truly believe this. To your benefit, I'll assume the former.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Don't blame ZoS for the troll dung economy blame the high end elitest merchant guilds they control the prices of every thing.

KaleidoscopeEyz

First, it's incredibly easy to prove. Not, for you. But you're not the one who needs to prove it. For ZoS? Yes, it really should be easy for them to keep track of. All they need to do is thread up the chat logs. If they're not keeping any, then that is both incredibly stupid, and an enormous liability.

I'm assuming voice chat here on the console, which I doubt they are recording. If they are, do you really think they area going to review all of this voice chat? Not gonna happen. If it's typed chat on PC, you would be correct.

danno8

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The goal is to keep certain things out and bring other concepts in.
You'll find yourself really frustrated if your expectations for this game are that of other MMO's or if you're a person who has attached game features to a genre vs looking at a game to allow it to have its own features.

Lots of posts seem to identify people's desires to play a completely different game in this skin or their desires to bring other games features into this game.

It's a different game...no hate, it's just different. Some of us like change

Problem is the "new" features are in many cases just a lack of features. Nothing new or improved.

-Don't like global AH's? We have a new feature called...no global AH! (keep in mind they didn't even have guild kiosks until people asked for SOMETHING)
-Don't like floating numbers on your UI? We thought hard and long on how to make it more immersive and came up with...no numbers at all!
-Don't you hat all those buff icons from other games? We came up with a great way to show you your buffs and debuffs that no one thought about before. We just removed all of them!
-Text chat spam got you down? Boom!! Gone too! Now you can hear voice chat spam instead!

It's like they threw the baby out with the bath water and called it a day on many of their "new concepts". I like change and different approaches to gameplay also, but I don't see anything new here at all, just a lack of features period.

To be honest, I do not prefer everything you just mentioned.
You raise a lot of features that seemingly were a part of the prior games that exist on PC in this genre.

This isn't PC and the genre doesn't come with features, a developer makes feature decisions when creating any game regardless of genre. There are games on console in this genre that may have some or all of those features you are accustomed to but you're here and not there for a reason.

I disagree with your last statement as well, the reality is the game was developed for the market this company found as profitable and who they knew would enjoy it. PC and console don't actually have the same targets therefore we each would want to buy as it pertains to our interests and enjoyment.

That's pretty much it.
Personally, I'm happy with the choices they've made and love the game presentation in respects to each platform as I own it on PC and Xbox One. I still play PTS on PC and the regular game on Xbox One.

Maybe another game that is out or that's coming will be more to your liking. I would say, give the game another try and use what exists and lets also continue feedback on current in-game features that are not working as intended.

"the reality is the game was developed for the market this company found as profitable and who they knew would enjoy it."

And yet they clearly formatted the gameplay to be nearly exactly the same as other themepark mmos. If they developed it for the console crowd why did they make hotbars/skills/classes etc? Why not just make "Skyrim Online" as many people (not myself mind you) expected it to be? I would have been fine with all the missing features if that was the case.

But they didn't. They made a themepark mmo, and the features listed above work specifically for a themepark mmo for a reason. And when they are not there you find yourself not saying "hey this is missing", but rather "hey I have no way of doing this". That is the difference. That is where ESO failed to innovate, and rather just didn't include.

People don't want these features just because they are used to them. They want them because the lack of them make playing the game less fun and informative.

Eriquito3

Adding text chat would solve alot of these issues.

NewBlacksmurf

danno8 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

The goal is to keep certain things out and bring other concepts in.
You'll find yourself really frustrated if your expectations for this game are that of other MMO's or if you're a person who has attached game features to a genre vs looking at a game to allow it to have its own features.

Lots of posts seem to identify people's desires to play a completely different game in this skin or their desires to bring other games features into this game.

It's a different game...no hate, it's just different. Some of us like change

Problem is the "new" features are in many cases just a lack of features. Nothing new or improved.

-Don't like global AH's? We have a new feature called...no global AH! (keep in mind they didn't even have guild kiosks until people asked for SOMETHING)
-Don't like floating numbers on your UI? We thought hard and long on how to make it more immersive and came up with...no numbers at all!
-Don't you hat all those buff icons from other games? We came up with a great way to show you your buffs and debuffs that no one thought about before. We just removed all of them!
-Text chat spam got you down? Boom!! Gone too! Now you can hear voice chat spam instead!

It's like they threw the baby out with the bath water and called it a day on many of their "new concepts". I like change and different approaches to gameplay also, but I don't see anything new here at all, just a lack of features period.

To be honest, I do not prefer everything you just mentioned.
You raise a lot of features that seemingly were a part of the prior games that exist on PC in this genre.

This isn't PC and the genre doesn't come with features, a developer makes feature decisions when creating any game regardless of genre. There are games on console in this genre that may have some or all of those features you are accustomed to but you're here and not there for a reason.

I disagree with your last statement as well, the reality is the game was developed for the market this company found as profitable and who they knew would enjoy it. PC and console don't actually have the same targets therefore we each would want to buy as it pertains to our interests and enjoyment.

That's pretty much it.
Personally, I'm happy with the choices they've made and love the game presentation in respects to each platform as I own it on PC and Xbox One. I still play PTS on PC and the regular game on Xbox One.

Maybe another game that is out or that's coming will be more to your liking. I would say, give the game another try and use what exists and lets also continue feedback on current in-game features that are not working as intended.

"the reality is the game was developed for the market this company found as profitable and who they knew would enjoy it."

And yet they clearly formatted the gameplay to be nearly exactly the same as other themepark mmos. If they developed it for the console crowd why did they make hotbars/skills/classes etc? Why not just make "Skyrim Online" as many people (not myself mind you) expected it to be? I would have been fine with all the missing features if that was the case.

But they didn't. They made a themepark mmo, and the features listed above work specifically for a themepark mmo for a reason. And when they are not there you find yourself not saying "hey this is missing", but rather "hey I have no way of doing this". That is the difference. That is where ESO failed to innovate, and rather just failed to include.

People don't want these features just because they are used to them. They want them because the lack of them make playing the game less fun and informative.

I believe it's you who doesn't like what's available and you're not alone but that doesn't mean that more people feel the way you do.

Specific to Xbox One there are as of now 5 different clans from games like BF, Destiny and COD who have grown tired of the FPS offerings but truly like this game as is. Two of these clans are top 5 clans on Destiny and COD on Xbox one or Xbox 360

More are coming over as friends recruit friends so while there are things that you feel the game should change so you can be happy also consider there are a lot of us who are happy as is.

If they fixed things not functioning as intended there would be more

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The goal is to keep certain things out and bring other concepts in.
You'll find yourself really frustrated if your expectations for this game are that of other MMO's or if you're a person who has attached game features to a genre vs looking at a game to allow it to have its own features.

Lots of posts seem to identify people's desires to play a completely different game in this skin or their desires to bring other games features into this game.

It's a different game...no hate, it's just different. Some of us like change

Problem is the "new" features are in many cases just a lack of features. Nothing new or improved.

-Don't like global AH's? We have a new feature called...no global AH! (keep in mind they didn't even have guild kiosks until people asked for SOMETHING)
-Don't like floating numbers on your UI? We thought hard and long on how to make it more immersive and came up with...no numbers at all!
-Don't you hat all those buff icons from other games? We came up with a great way to show you your buffs and debuffs that no one thought about before. We just removed all of them!
-Text chat spam got you down? Boom!! Gone too! Now you can hear voice chat spam instead!

It's like they threw the baby out with the bath water and called it a day on many of their "new concepts". I like change and different approaches to gameplay also, but I don't see anything new here at all, just a lack of features period.

To be honest, I do not prefer everything you just mentioned.
You raise a lot of features that seemingly were a part of the prior games that exist on PC in this genre.

This isn't PC and the genre doesn't come with features, a developer makes feature decisions when creating any game regardless of genre. There are games on console in this genre that may have some or all of those features you are accustomed to but you're here and not there for a reason.

I disagree with your last statement as well, the reality is the game was developed for the market this company found as profitable and who they knew would enjoy it. PC and console don't actually have the same targets therefore we each would want to buy as it pertains to our interests and enjoyment.

That's pretty much it.
Personally, I'm happy with the choices they've made and love the game presentation in respects to each platform as I own it on PC and Xbox One. I still play PTS on PC and the regular game on Xbox One.

Maybe another game that is out or that's coming will be more to your liking. I would say, give the game another try and use what exists and lets also continue feedback on current in-game features that are not working as intended.

"the reality is the game was developed for the market this company found as profitable and who they knew would enjoy it."

And yet they clearly formatted the gameplay to be nearly exactly the same as other themepark mmos. If they developed it for the console crowd why did they make hotbars/skills/classes etc? Why not just make "Skyrim Online" as many people (not myself mind you) expected it to be? I would have been fine with all the missing features if that was the case.

But they didn't. They made a themepark mmo, and the features listed above work specifically for a themepark mmo for a reason. And when they are not there you find yourself not saying "hey this is missing", but rather "hey I have no way of doing this". That is the difference. That is where ESO failed to innovate, and rather just failed to include.

People don't want these features just because they are used to them. They want them because the lack of them make playing the game less fun and informative.

I believe it's you who doesn't like what's available and you're not alone but that doesn't mean that more people feel the way you do.

Specific to Xbox One there are as of now 5 different clans from games like BF, Destiny and COD who have grown tired of the FPS offerings but truly like this game as is. Two of these clans are top 5 clans on Destiny and COD on Xbox one or Xbox 360

More are coming over as friends recruit friends so while there are things that you feel the game should change so you can be happy also consider there are a lot of us who are happy as is.

If they fixed things not functioning as intended there would be more

All opinion, just like the guy you are quoteing.

All opinions and baised observations. But here are the facts. eso lacks in efficent communication, people are having difficulty tradeing, doing group content, communicating with their guikds, and even getting into guilds.

Eso needs something to supplement the voice chat, a way to communicate with entire zones and groups without switching voice channeks and being restricted to a small proximity. Something that is in game. Andbthat thing is text chat.

It is desperately needed