[Bug] Sorcerer's 'Liquid Lightning' grants 'Might of the Guild'

Xantaria

Currently the Sorcerer's Liquid Lightning Ability Triggers The Mage Guild Passive 'Might of the Guild' granting the Empower Buff.

Those are not related and should not interact with each other in this way.

Dracane

It still does ? When I tested it on pts, I did not get the bonus anymore (sadly)

Saturn

This is true, since they changed Might of the Guild to light up your arms I have noticed that my characters arms would light up when using Liquid Lightning also. This is already a thing on Live I would like to point out, I think if you have an addon keeping track of buffs you should see the buff pop up, there just isn't any visual indication of the buff.

Dracane

Saturn wrote: »

This is true, since they changed Might of the Guild to light up your arms I have noticed that my characters arms would light up when using Liquid Lightning also. This is already a thing on Live I would like to point out, I think if you have an addon keeping track of buffs you should see the buff pop up, there just isn't any visual indication of the buff.

I believe you. I just didn't recognize an increase in damage on my tooltips, so I closed this topic and thought, this got removed from lightning splash.

I shall try it again

Armitas

I wonder if this is a remnant of beta when we had 6 classes and things got cannibalized into the 4 classes we have now.

Erraln

The skill has been doing this for months on live, there's just not an animation for it.

cschwingeb14_ESO

The "arms lightning up" is indicative of a number of buffs. It happens with the undaunted light and medium sets, ravager and a champ passive to I think. With different colors for stam vs magicka

Emma_Overload

I don't think this is bug at this point... it's been there so long, it's just an undocumented feature.

Xantaria

It is definitely a bug and needs fixing. we're getting some 2 year old bugs fixed here, so why not this one.

Saturn

Xantaria wrote: »

It is definitely a bug and needs fixing. we're getting some 2 year old bugs fixed here, so why not this one.

The game hasn't been out for 2 years yet

I don't think it's a bug honestly, but if it is, it will be fixed after the PTS is over, since it is now extremely obvious that the skill gives you Empower as your arms start glowing when you cast it.

Alcast

Xantaria wrote: »

Currently the Sorcerer's Liquid Lightning Ability Triggers The Mage Guild Passive 'Might of the Guild' granting the Empower Buff.

Those are not related and should not interact with each other in this way.

It still does on Live AND PTS.

ToRelax

Saturn wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

It is definitely a bug and needs fixing. we're getting some 2 year old bugs fixed here, so why not this one.

The game hasn't been out for 2 years yet

I don't think it's a bug honestly, but if it is, it will be fixed after the PTS is over, since it is now extremely obvious that the skill gives you Empower as your arms start glowing when you cast it.

There are still bugs from beta.

Nowhere is mentioned in patchnotes or tooltip that this skill should grant Empower, so I consider it a bug and hope it gets fixed rather sooner than later.

Flaminir

ToRelax wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

It is definitely a bug and needs fixing. we're getting some 2 year old bugs fixed here, so why not this one.

The game hasn't been out for 2 years yet

I don't think it's a bug honestly, but if it is, it will be fixed after the PTS is over, since it is now extremely obvious that the skill gives you Empower as your arms start glowing when you cast it.

There are still bugs from beta.

Nowhere is mentioned in patchnotes or tooltip that this skill should grant Empower, so I consider it a bug and hope it gets fixed rather sooner than later.

Because that's exactly what PvE Sorcs need.... lower DPS!

I have no idea why anybody would want this fixed..... hardly used/an issue in PvP.... and in PvE sorcs need more dps not less... even if you werent a sorc yourself, you may run dungeons with them, so surely would want them doing as much damage as possible.

Alcast

Flaminir wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

It is definitely a bug and needs fixing. we're getting some 2 year old bugs fixed here, so why not this one.

The game hasn't been out for 2 years yet

I don't think it's a bug honestly, but if it is, it will be fixed after the PTS is over, since it is now extremely obvious that the skill gives you Empower as your arms start glowing when you cast it.

There are still bugs from beta.

Nowhere is mentioned in patchnotes or tooltip that this skill should grant Empower, so I consider it a bug and hope it gets fixed rather sooner than later.

Because that's exactly what PvE Sorcs need.... lower DPS!

I have no idea why anybody would want this fixed..... hardly used/an issue in PvP.... and in PvE sorcs need more dps not less... even if you werent a sorc yourself, you may run dungeons with them, so surely would want them doing as much damage as possible.

Sorc dps will be highest next patch lol, single target wise. It already is

RoyJade

Alcast wrote: »

Sorc dps will be highest next patch lol, single target wise. It already is

Ah ? Why ?
I don't see any boost for a magicka dps in the patch note, nor I see one after some test. But perhaps I have missing something.
I have just noticed a little less damage with burning proc, and concussive proc don't do a lot of damage.

Ludof

Alcast wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

It is definitely a bug and needs fixing. we're getting some 2 year old bugs fixed here, so why not this one.

The game hasn't been out for 2 years yet

I don't think it's a bug honestly, but if it is, it will be fixed after the PTS is over, since it is now extremely obvious that the skill gives you Empower as your arms start glowing when you cast it.

There are still bugs from beta.

Nowhere is mentioned in patchnotes or tooltip that this skill should grant Empower, so I consider it a bug and hope it gets fixed rather sooner than later.

Because that's exactly what PvE Sorcs need.... lower DPS!

I have no idea why anybody would want this fixed..... hardly used/an issue in PvP.... and in PvE sorcs need more dps not less... even if you werent a sorc yourself, you may run dungeons with them, so surely would want them doing as much damage as possible.

Sorc dps will be highest next patch lol, single target wise. It already is

I had exactly the same feeling;
As for Stamina something like:
Molag Kena+Hunding/Sheer Venom+Agility

Surge+ other Buffs
2 overload light attack
Wrecking blow spam

ssewallb14_ESO

You can actually get double empower with this and motg if you're fast enough.

ZOS_GinaBruno

This was never intended, but we are working on a fix for it that we hope to get in by time this update goes live.

RoyJade

I hope you will replace that bug by a legit increase power for pve sorc ^^
Both overload exploit and that was necessary to have a decent dps without overload spamming.

Xantaria

thank you gina!

CP5

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

This was never intended, but we are working on a fix for it that we hope to get in by time this update goes live.

I'm all for bug fixes and like seeing them get taken care of, but does Eric's team still have plans on how to help sorcs at all? He teased us a few weeks back about some change that was still coming, and the list of goals from February hasn't really been addressed. Any word on those?

Xael

ssewallb14_ESO wrote: »

You can actually get double empower with this and motg if you're fast enough.

No you can't.
The "Empower" it procs is MotG.

As was stated earlier, this is one of those bugs that's been around since launch.

tordr86b16_ESO

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

This was never intended, but we are working on a fix for it that we hope to get in by time this update goes live.

You really should delay this update...

Flaminir

Alcast wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

It is definitely a bug and needs fixing. we're getting some 2 year old bugs fixed here, so why not this one.

The game hasn't been out for 2 years yet

I don't think it's a bug honestly, but if it is, it will be fixed after the PTS is over, since it is now extremely obvious that the skill gives you Empower as your arms start glowing when you cast it.

There are still bugs from beta.

Nowhere is mentioned in patchnotes or tooltip that this skill should grant Empower, so I consider it a bug and hope it gets fixed rather sooner than later.

Because that's exactly what PvE Sorcs need.... lower DPS!

I have no idea why anybody would want this fixed..... hardly used/an issue in PvP.... and in PvE sorcs need more dps not less... even if you werent a sorc yourself, you may run dungeons with them, so surely would want them doing as much damage as possible.

Sorc dps will be highest next patch lol, single target wise. It already is

As per another comment... how is that going to be the case?

I'm assuming you don't mean literally what you said... and that you think magicka sorc will be highest dps in the game.

The only real buff is 10% on our execute which isn't that big.

A few small limited moments of high dps... Molag Kena procc'ing on Overload perhaps.

Other than that I can't see anything in any of these patch notes which is going to take sorcs above DK's in PvE dps... or even above jabsy templars if i'm honest ( I really hope to be proved wrong).

What have you seen in the patch notes that I've missed?

Xantaria

Flaminir wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

It is definitely a bug and needs fixing. we're getting some 2 year old bugs fixed here, so why not this one.

The game hasn't been out for 2 years yet

I don't think it's a bug honestly, but if it is, it will be fixed after the PTS is over, since it is now extremely obvious that the skill gives you Empower as your arms start glowing when you cast it.

There are still bugs from beta.

Nowhere is mentioned in patchnotes or tooltip that this skill should grant Empower, so I consider it a bug and hope it gets fixed rather sooner than later.

Because that's exactly what PvE Sorcs need.... lower DPS!

I have no idea why anybody would want this fixed..... hardly used/an issue in PvP.... and in PvE sorcs need more dps not less... even if you werent a sorc yourself, you may run dungeons with them, so surely would want them doing as much damage as possible.

Sorc dps will be highest next patch lol, single target wise. It already is

As per another comment... how is that going to be the case?

I'm assuming you don't mean literally what you said... and that you think magicka sorc will be highest dps in the game.

The only real buff is 10% on our execute which isn't that big.

A few small limited moments of high dps... Molag Kena procc'ing on Overload perhaps.

Other than that I can't see anything in any of these patch notes which is going to take sorcs above DK's in PvE dps... or even above jabsy templars if i'm honest ( I really hope to be proved wrong).

What have you seen in the patch notes that I've missed?

you missed that sorcs pull more singletarget dps than any other class ... already ... and with the new sets it's only going to get worse.

Dymence

Xantaria wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Saturn wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

It is definitely a bug and needs fixing. we're getting some 2 year old bugs fixed here, so why not this one.

The game hasn't been out for 2 years yet

I don't think it's a bug honestly, but if it is, it will be fixed after the PTS is over, since it is now extremely obvious that the skill gives you Empower as your arms start glowing when you cast it.

There are still bugs from beta.

Nowhere is mentioned in patchnotes or tooltip that this skill should grant Empower, so I consider it a bug and hope it gets fixed rather sooner than later.

Because that's exactly what PvE Sorcs need.... lower DPS!

I have no idea why anybody would want this fixed..... hardly used/an issue in PvP.... and in PvE sorcs need more dps not less... even if you werent a sorc yourself, you may run dungeons with them, so surely would want them doing as much damage as possible.

Sorc dps will be highest next patch lol, single target wise. It already is

As per another comment... how is that going to be the case?

I'm assuming you don't mean literally what you said... and that you think magicka sorc will be highest dps in the game.

The only real buff is 10% on our execute which isn't that big.

A few small limited moments of high dps... Molag Kena procc'ing on Overload perhaps.

Other than that I can't see anything in any of these patch notes which is going to take sorcs above DK's in PvE dps... or even above jabsy templars if i'm honest ( I really hope to be proved wrong).

What have you seen in the patch notes that I've missed?

you missed that sorcs pull more singletarget dps than any other class ... already ... and with the new sets it's only going to get worse.

Sorcs are only pulling the highest single target dps in fights where overload doesn't run out. In longer fights e.g. serpent DK still comes out on top. And with the new sets? Well, we'll just have to see about that

Paulington

Xantaria wrote: »

you missed that sorcs pull more singletarget dps than any other class ... already ... and with the new sets it's only going to get worse.

As @Dymence has said, Sorcs only pull top with Overload and even then it can still be close with DKs. As soon as our Overload is gone our DPS plummets.

Not sure about the new sets, maybe one or two sets will be viable from what I've seen but I don't think the meta will alter a whole lot.

Xantaria

Well whatever is the result of that it doesn't change the fact that bugs should get removed. Stamina was only able to compete against magicka because of the bugged armor penetration. Now it's fixed and they will drop hard compared to magicka builds. Would that justify to keep the armor penetration bug in the game? No. And same goes for this liquid lightning bug.

Aunatar

It's only a visual bug The only thing changing is the number in the tooltip, me and a friend of mine tested it 2 or 3 months ago. He wondered why many players, that week, were throwing random liquid lightnings before fighting. We discovered that the skill would have emulated the MotG passive, but without any real increased dmg.

Septimus_Magna

Aunatar wrote: »

It's only a visual bug The only thing changing is the number in the tooltip, me and a friend of mine tested it 2 or 3 months ago. He wondered why many players, that week, were throwing random liquid lightnings before fighting. We discovered that the skill would have emulated the MotG passive, but without any real increased dmg.

I had the same idea, most sorcs are using entropy anyways so it makes little difference imo.

Now it would be great if Lightning Spash and/or its morphs would cause some addition effect, like minor spell penetration or something similar.

Alcast

Aunatar wrote: »

It's only a visual bug The only thing changing is the number in the tooltip, me and a friend of mine tested it 2 or 3 months ago. He wondered why many players, that week, were throwing random liquid lightnings before fighting. We discovered that the skill would have emulated the MotG passive, but without any real increased dmg.

Nope, i tested it and I did indeed MORE damage when liquid is on the ground. It is not visual. you need Liquid Lightning tho, not the other morph. And you need Power overload iirc