What is the purpose of Sword & Board ? A Tank ?

hrothbern

Indeed !
The whole purpose of S&B is a role with high damage mitigation from blocking and low DPS from the available abilities

Edited as addition:
IF ZOS nerfs the role of a Tank because of PVP abuse of S&B, they nerf an archetype role:

A Tank: Heavy Armor with Sword & Board

That should not happen !

Rinmaethodain

Try to explain that to people who state in official patch notes of PTS that they see tank type characters as someone who is supposed to have low health and do damage

"Monsters

Mages, skirmishers, and tanks have all been tweaked to have less dramatic variation. In general, mages will have less damage and more health, while tanks will have less health and more damage."

The fact that people who think that way, decide what is "good" and what is "bad" for tanks and ignore feedback because "we dont know what is good for us" is terrifying.

OGLezard

You must have been playing the WRONG game if that is what you thought lol venture into pvp once and see that almost all of the pvp players are using sword and shield. The only people who dont are A) Those who refuse to conform to what the meta is B ) Those who do not know any better.


The better question is why do they still want to give the spell damage benefit to melee weapons......that makes ZERO sense

PBpsy

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Try to explain that to people who state in official patch notes of PTS that they see tank type characters as someone who is supposed to have low health and do damage

"Monsters

Mages, skirmishers, and tanks have all been tweaked to have less dramatic variation. In general, mages will have less damage and more health, while tanks will have less health and more damage."

The fact that people who think that way, decide what is "good" and what is "bad" for tanks and ignore feedback because "we dont know what is good for us" is terrifying.

I think they meant that as compared to their current values not compared relative to each other.

Rinmaethodain

PBpsy wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Try to explain that to people who state in official patch notes of PTS that they see tank type characters as someone who is supposed to have low health and do damage

"Monsters

Mages, skirmishers, and tanks have all been tweaked to have less dramatic variation. In general, mages will have less damage and more health, while tanks will have less health and more damage."

The fact that people who think that way, decide what is "good" and what is "bad" for tanks and ignore feedback because "we dont know what is good for us" is terrifying.

I think they meant that as compared to their current values not compared relative to each other.

Maybe, maybe not. It would be nice if they would clarify a lot of things, especially when they suddenly make changes that go against PVE tanks who actually do tanking in game.
Explain what in their mind tank is supposed to do.
Explain the true reasons behind stamina nerf.
A statement in one post, not scraps of information spread around reddit, over 9000 dev posts on forums and few second statements on various ESO live episodes and streams.

MCMancub

PBpsy wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Try to explain that to people who state in official patch notes of PTS that they see tank type characters as someone who is supposed to have low health and do damage

"Monsters

Mages, skirmishers, and tanks have all been tweaked to have less dramatic variation. In general, mages will have less damage and more health, while tanks will have less health and more damage."

The fact that people who think that way, decide what is "good" and what is "bad" for tanks and ignore feedback because "we dont know what is good for us" is terrifying.

I think they meant that as compared to their current values not compared relative to each other.

It's this. This thead is a non-issue. That change isn't saying mages are suddenly going to have more health and do less damage than tanks. It was just a relative change to compress the differences.

PBpsy

MaximusDargus wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Try to explain that to people who state in official patch notes of PTS that they see tank type characters as someone who is supposed to have low health and do damage

"Monsters

Mages, skirmishers, and tanks have all been tweaked to have less dramatic variation. In general, mages will have less damage and more health, while tanks will have less health and more damage."

The fact that people who think that way, decide what is "good" and what is "bad" for tanks and ignore feedback because "we dont know what is good for us" is terrifying.

I think they meant that as compared to their current values not compared relative to each other.

Maybe, maybe not. It would be nice if they would clarify a lot of things, especially when they suddenly make changes that go against PVE tanks who actually do tanking in game.
Explain what in their mind tank is supposed to do.
Explain the true reasons behind stamina nerf.
A statement in one post, not scraps of information spread around reddit, over 9000 dev posts on forums and few second statements on various ESO live episodes and streams.

Well this has gone for a long time and one shouldn't expect for better. I personally stooped caring and have been unable to take combat changes seriously in this game since that hilarious ESO live where they announced dynamic ultimate generation removal and the buff system. Anything after that was just downhill. I learned to enjoy it.

Now the fun is seeing how they will make this game more "fun" by ruining everything in it.

Wing

OGLezard wrote: »

You must have been playing the WRONG game if that is what you thought lol venture into pvp once and see that almost all of the pvp players are using sword and shield. The only people who dont are A) Those who refuse to conform to what the meta is B ) Those who do not know any better.


The better question is why do they still want to give the spell damage benefit to melee weapons......that makes ZERO sense

the reason a lot of builds use sword and board is because they focus on class skills and thus the weapons become just "slots" thus you want to use a 2 slot set, that leaves either dual wield and sword and board, unless you are going for a specific set (stygian) dual wield gives no good passives, where as sword and board not only has better passives it grants you some passive armor.

builds that use sword and board passively are things like casters that don't need a staff, or stamina that has built in class damage, etc.

jrkhan

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Try to explain that to people who state in official patch notes of PTS that they see tank type characters as someone who is supposed to have low health and do damage

"Monsters

Mages, skirmishers, and tanks have all been tweaked to have less dramatic variation. In general, mages will have less damage and more health, while tanks will have less health and more damage."

The fact that people who think that way, decide what is "good" and what is "bad" for tanks and ignore feedback because "we dont know what is good for us" is terrifying.

Please reread this section. They are referring to enemy mobs (npcs) and not player characters. This was, I believe, to somewhat even out the difficulty/grindability of pve encounters.

Of course, I may have missed out on some attempt at humor, but it's quite clear to me that this statement has nothing to do with their view on player roles and simply on making monsters somewhat more homogeneous.

Rinmaethodain

jrkhan wrote: »

MaximusDargus wrote: »

Try to explain that to people who state in official patch notes of PTS that they see tank type characters as someone who is supposed to have low health and do damage

"Monsters

Mages, skirmishers, and tanks have all been tweaked to have less dramatic variation. In general, mages will have less damage and more health, while tanks will have less health and more damage."

The fact that people who think that way, decide what is "good" and what is "bad" for tanks and ignore feedback because "we dont know what is good for us" is terrifying.

Please reread this section. They are referring to enemy mobs (npcs) and not player characters. This was, I believe, to somewhat even out the difficulty of pve encounters.

Yes im fully aware they are referring to enemy mobs, but with complete lack of communication from ZOS side regarding the "stamina regen issue" and "how they see future of tanks" we have no idea what happens in heads of ZOS designers, the thing they wrote about "enemy mobs", they both may and may not think the same way about player tanks.
Unless ZOS will come out from behind curtain and finally start communicating, we will have peculiar situation of "Schroedinger tanks".

Dracane

You get another set piece slot and a slot for a major armor enchant. This alone make Sword & Board so strong and attractive.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Yea no idea what you're talking about i'm a 2h tank and don't use a SnS ....... How ever since we are topic of tanks they NEED to buff heavy armor specially after the 100% armor boost light armor just got .

UrQuan

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Yea no idea what you're talking about i'm a 2h tank and don't use a SnS ....... How ever since we are topic of tanks they NEED to buff heavy armor specially after the 100% armor boost light armor just got .

I know it's possible to tank without using sword & board (as long as you use Inner Fire or a morph - if you're not using S&B and you're not using Inner Fire then you're simply not tanking, because you need to be able to taunt if you want to tank), but oh man are you ever making things tougher on yourself by doing so. Without using S&B you're missing out on a 38% reduction in the cost of blocking, a 28% increase in the amount of damage you can block, an additional 15% increase in the amount of ranged/projectile damage you can block, a 100% increase in the damage of your bashes, and a 40% reduction in the cost of bashing. Those all make such a big difference to a tank. And all of that's without even activating any of the active skills in the skill line...

Forestd16b14_ESO

@UrQuan does make it more fun though

UrQuan

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

@UrQuan does make it more fun though

More challenging definitely... If you don't find the current vet dungeons & trials to be enough of a challenge to your tanking abilities and you want that extra challenge, I say more power to you. I couldn't tank effectively without sword & board, but if you can pull it off why not do it?

Forestd16b14_ESO

@UrQuan exactly ......... Does help being a DK nord though XD

Emma_Overload

Now that blocking is dead, why can't Sword & Board have some DPS skills?

It really bugs me that NPCs have Power Bashes that hit for 20K, while MY Power Bash only does about 4000 or something. If blocking is now pointless as a "meta", we should have some high damage abilities that we can use to build a new meta.

@ZOS_RichLambert, can we have a /lurk on this?

trimsic_ESO

Meanwhile sorcs can stack their shields and obviously they can scale the power of their shields off magicka.

trimsic_ESO

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Now that blocking is dead, why can't Sword & Board have some DPS skills?

It really bugs me that NPCs have Power Bashes that hit for 20K, while MY Power Bash only does about 4000 or something. If blocking is now pointless as a "meta", we should have some high damage abilities that we can use to build a new meta.

@ZOS_RichLambert, can we have a /lurk on this?

Especially true for a stamina DK by the way.

DaveMoeDee

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Now that blocking is dead, why can't Sword & Board have some DPS skills?

It really bugs me that NPCs have Power Bashes that hit for 20K, while MY Power Bash only does about 4000 or something. If blocking is now pointless as a "meta", we should have some high damage abilities that we can use to build a new meta.

@ZOS_RichLambert, can we have a /lurk on this?

I remember when they nerfed bashing a few months after launch. My DK S&B stamina tank died a bunch in PvE when that went into effect.