Nerien'eth Set

saintmurray

Can anyone confirm this set is getting a big buff in IC thus making it useful. I heard the proc rate is being increased to 10% and the damage buffed quite a bit as well. If this is true then I am actually sort of excited!

Thanks

vortexman11

Confirmed

Stalwart385

10% proc and the 175% damage increase (from patch notes).

Mean while Skoria recieved a 25% damage nerf according to posts here.

actosh

Nerienth wont proc of dots, mentioned in the 2piece bonus.

saintmurray

So increased damage and proc rate. But no procs from Dot's. Still much better then before.

Ishammael

Confirmed nerien'eth is viable. 10% proc rate on non-dot attacks. Really solid.

Beesting

I was in ic just then watching a guy fight mobs in front of him and the proc crytal exploded 3x behind the player

I lolled when i saw that, it did 0 damage in 3 procs lol

IxSTALKERxI

I've used the set. It's very strong but only if your enemies don't move. There is a long period of time between when the set procs, and when it actually does the damage. Imo due to the delay, it won't be as strong in pvp unless the enemy completely turtles on a flag or something.

There is one thing that synergizes very well with it though and that is bombard. Bombard + nerienth in PVE = OP.

actosh

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

I've used the set. It's very strong but only if your enemies don't move. There is a long period of time between when the set procs, and when it actually does the damage. Imo due to the delay, it won't be as strong in pvp unless the enemy completely turtles on a flag or something.

There is one thing that synergizes very well with it though and that is bombard. Bombard + nerienth in PVE = OP.

Makes Bow a bit more viable ^^

Armitas

What was their point in exchanging one meta for another?

ZOS sees one pole longer than the other so they shorten the tall pole and lengthen the short pole. Then they examine their work and say "There, now that pole is no longer taller than that one; whats next on my agenda". Who does that, really who does that?....

saintmurray

I was thinking talon+flame lash spam or even biting jabs. Either way I'm glad this will actually see some use! So many set out there that just need slight tweaking and they will be used!

Armitas

If you light attack weave thats 2 chances at 10% every GCD. Anything else we can stack on to that? Any sets that can add a regular chance on top of our light attack weaves? I wonder if inferno can trigger it.

Ishammael

Armitas wrote: »

If you light attack weave thats 2 chances at 10% every GCD. Anything else we can stack on to that? Any sets that can add a regular chance on top of our light attack weaves? I wonder if inferno can trigger it.

Crushing shock plus light weaving gives you 4 hits per second.

saintmurray

This is turning out better than I thought

ToRelax

Light attack with crushing shock procs it extremely often.
However, I still don't think it's a very good set for PvP because the radius is small and players move out, and in the Imperial City it will more often hurt you because it aggros the mobs.

Armitas

Ishammael wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

If you light attack weave thats 2 chances at 10% every GCD. Anything else we can stack on to that? Any sets that can add a regular chance on top of our light attack weaves? I wonder if inferno can trigger it.

Crushing shock plus light weaving gives you 4 hits per second.

Nice! This thing is aoe too right?

I think it will work in pvp using cc or in tight spaces or zerg balls. Even if they keep running out the hassle will be in your favor. Shoot you could even hassle a zerg ball with it at range with force pulse.....

force pulse is aoe on burning targets and hits every burning target 3 times each. Get wrecked.

ToRelax

Armitas wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

If you light attack weave thats 2 chances at 10% every GCD. Anything else we can stack on to that? Any sets that can add a regular chance on top of our light attack weaves? I wonder if inferno can trigger it.

Crushing shock plus light weaving gives you 4 hits per second.

Nice! This thing is aoe too right?

I think it will work in pvp using cc or in tight spaces or service balls. Even if they keep running out the hassle will be in your favor. Shoot you could even hassle a zerg ball with it at range with force pulse.....

force pulse is aoe on burning targets and hits every burning target 3 times each. Get wrecked.

I was told Force Shock was bugged, not applying any elemental effects. If that is true, it turns this aspect of the morph useless, so test it first.

Dracane

Armitas wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

If you light attack weave thats 2 chances at 10% every GCD. Anything else we can stack on to that? Any sets that can add a regular chance on top of our light attack weaves? I wonder if inferno can trigger it.

Crushing shock plus light weaving gives you 4 hits per second.

Nice! This thing is aoe too right?

I think it will work in pvp using cc or in tight spaces or service balls. Even if they keep running out the hassle will be in your favor. Shoot you could even hassle a zerg ball with it at range with force pulse.....

force pulse is aoe on burning targets and hits every burning target 3 times each. Get wrecked.

Force pulse got hit extremely hard by the changes to elemental damage. It basically never procs elemental effect in 1.7, I think force pulse is completely useless now. A good combo was to force pulse 1 enemy, which most likely resulted in him having an elemental effect on him and then attacking the target next to him. This combo is destroyed now, I will definately respec to crushing shock in 1.7, even though I hate this op cookie cutter ability.

Armitas

I saw that abilities were standardized for their chance to apply burning but fire ring and force pulse always had their own special chance to apply it(40%). What does the tool tip say for fire ring and force pulse say now, 10%?

Dracane

Armitas wrote: »

I saw that abilities were standardized for their chance to apply burning but fire ring and force pulse always had their own special chance to apply it(40%). What does the tool tip say for fire ring and force pulse say now, 10%?

The chance to apply it is definately not 10%. The chance is like 0,5% or so, especially since force shock has 3 chances to proc it. This must be bugged (both morphs).

I think, the tooltip says nothing about a chance to apply effects in 1.7. Have to check it again.

Armitas

Will pets trigger it?

Dracane

Armitas wrote: »

Will pets trigger it?

Yes. Concussion now also deals a tiny tiny amount of damage.
But the chance for it to trigger is almost non existing and only the twilight and the familiar can proc the shock effect.

Armitas

Dracane wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Will pets trigger it?

Yes. Concussion now also deals a tiny tiny amount of damage.
But the chance for it to trigger is almost non existing and only the twilight and the familiar can proc the shock effect.

So thats 6, at least for sorcs. Imagine that with bolterity's pet build.

The Affliction set, if it works, will pump out 1 try every other time you are hit. "50% chance on hit to cause X disease damage".

I wonder if necrotic orb spam through a zerg ball will work as well.

Ishammael

Armitas wrote: »

I wonder if necrotic orb spam through a zerg ball will work as well.

Necrotic orb is still an excellent skill that is rarely used.

ToRelax

Since the sets all have internal cooldowns to at least "queue" the effects and maybe disable their proc chance completely, I don't quite see what's the point in trying to optimize the proc against a zergball.
Wouldn't mind if someone proved me wrong though (as in, show a picture with several procs active by the same person).

asneakybanana

Ishammael wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

I wonder if necrotic orb spam through a zerg ball will work as well.

Necrotic orb is still an excellent skill that is rarely used.

Counts as a dot.

Dracane

Armitas wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Will pets trigger it?

Yes. Concussion now also deals a tiny tiny amount of damage.
But the chance for it to trigger is almost non existing and only the twilight and the familiar can proc the shock effect.

So thats 6, at least for sorcs. Imagine that with bolterity's pet build.

The Affliction set, if it works, will pump out 1 try every other time you are hit. "50% chance on hit to cause X disease damage".

I wonder if necrotic orb spam through a zerg ball will work as well.

Ahhh excuse me. You asked, if pets can trigger Nerien. No, they can't proc it. I thought you were talking about elemental effects

vortexman11

Armitas wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Will pets trigger it?

Yes. Concussion now also deals a tiny tiny amount of damage.
But the chance for it to trigger is almost non existing and only the twilight and the familiar can proc the shock effect.

So thats 6, at least for sorcs. Imagine that with bolterity's pet build.

The Affliction set, if it works, will pump out 1 try every other time you are hit. "50% chance on hit to cause X disease damage".

I wonder if necrotic orb spam through a zerg ball will work as well.

Affliction was the first set I tested in 1.7, because it was amazing ( even though no one used it ) in 1.6, it proced on all/most skills, turned talons into an AoE heal debuff. Now in 1.7 they raised its damage but added a 4 second cooldown, so it can only proc on one person at a time, although, it still procs on everything, caltrops, impulse, wall of elements, flame lash, every skill I tested it proced on.

In 1.6 it was great, you could use a skill such as rapid strikes, have a fire enchant on your daggers, and have affliction proc on 50% of the hits, paired with something like Evil hunter this added up to alot of damage, now due to the cooldown, its not great

Ishammael

asneakybanana wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

I wonder if necrotic orb spam through a zerg ball will work as well.

Necrotic orb is still an excellent skill that is rarely used.

Counts as a dot.

Oh, didn't know that. Boo.

Ankael07

Nerieneth is mostly useless in pvp unless youre in really tight spaces or your opponent runs out of stamina.Valkyn's procc chance might be lower but it isnt visible before impact and falls right down on your enemy which is very useful for a fast phased gameplay like pvp

NBrookus

My experience with Nerien'eth in PvP was that it mostly worked as a battlefield annoyance, making people dodge roll more. The only interesting/fun part was having it proc on siege, and it could be the last straw for people that were slow to move off their seige weapons when under counter siege.