Is this game too hard to learn?

wDzZ

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Ishammael

How about playing for a few weeks or months, then reassessing your position as a player and the game. If you think you can hop onto a vet 16 template, grab syphers latest build, and win, then you are very mistaken. ESO has quite a steep learning curve. This is because of (unfortunately) obscured gameplay mechanics and (fortunately) rich combinations of skills and gear. Rather than "mindlessly search the Internet" (lol) try playing the game for a while.

Ishammael

I realized that my previous post is quite negative.

To add: ESO offers gameplay experiences unlike much of what is out there. That is why players remain after a year of bugs and lag. The learning curve is worth it.

wDzZ

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Robbmrp

It really depends on the player your fighting. They could be a shield stacker in which case you were hardly doing any damage to them. They also could have top rated gear giving them the advantage over you.

Best thing to do is go try out Cyrodil on your character on the Live server. Don't try to take on someone one on one as you'll get creamed that way starting out. Those that fight one on one have been doing so for over a year and have their rotations down. Find a group to hang with and see how the fights go.

SeptimusDova

to the OP
My advice

Start a new character with your class of choice and make wise race decisions. A decision that harmonizes with your selected class.
Follow the standard training and equipping guides found both on here and the interwebz. Get to level 10 Jump into Blackwater Blade. And PVP everyday. an hour a day. Leave BwB and gain a few levels, gain some skill points and jump back into BwB. Rinse and repeat. Make friends in BwB Join a PVP guild that is present in BwB and Vet campaigns. Seek a mentor of your class .

Enjoy Cyrodiil

Zanen

It takes some time and effort to get good at this game like anything else, and ZOS doesn't make it any easier with their tendency to hide or even mislead about game mechanics.

That said I wouldn't worry too much about getting crushed by a magicka player on a stamina build right now on pts.

Too much stuff is broken and what you've described is what I'd expect to happen.

Rosveen

ESO isn't impossible to learn, it isn't even the most complex MMO out there. What could pose a problem to new players are Champion Points, but they have nothing to do with the player's proficiency at the game.

Nobody can tell you how to play, it comes with experience. Throwing twelve skills on your bar is no good if you don't understand how they work together, how to manage your resources, how to react to a variety of your opponents' tactics or how to cleverly use the terrain to your advantage. I agree with the poster above, the best thing you could do is stop looking at online guides and just play the game, experiment with different combinations and find your own flavor. That's how you become a good player. Watch people, talk to more experienced guildmates, look at popular builds for general guidance - but don't blindly copy them. Find those that explain why they use the skills they use.

As to why people obscure their best builds... Well duh, they want to win, why would they reveal all their secrets to random strangers?

ToRelax

The PTS is not where I would go if I didn't already know my class and the overall game mechanics really well.
Try to ask some players you find to play exceptionally well in the way you'd like to play on the Live server for advice.
Learn to use all the aspects of animation cancelling if you haven't yet. I can not emphasize this enough.
Whenever you watch a PvP video, ask if the player does something you do not understand.
I would also say it's worth it staying at it as the gameplay really is awesome once you master it, but I don't agree with the course ZOS has taken with this game myself.

BalticBlues

wDzZ wrote: »

I got people in my friend list that told me I've made a mistake buying this game, because I will get stomped in PVP, and now this proves them right.

I am afraid your friends are right about the stomping.
ZOS seems not to know how to balance the game.

PVP in TESO is a really great where it is balanced. Unfortunately, this is only the case in non-veteran campaigns. Among players up to level 50 the balance is fine, and non-veteran players in non-veteran campaings are having a great time. On the other side, in veteran campaigns no V1 stands a chance against a V14 because the differences in values - especially from nirnhoned stuff coming in Craglorn (V10) - are so huge that there is no balance at all.

Unfortunately, this "unbalance value gap" is widening with each expansion.
The result: new players are becoming cannon fodder

Imagine you are playing a game of soccer where the pro players receive a smaller and smaller goal with each season. At a certain point, the goal of pro players is getting so tiny that there is no sense in playing anymore for beginners...

Therefore, I would suggest having not two but three PVP campaigns:

1: non-veterans PVP level 1-49
2: Veteran PVP level V1-V9
3: Veteran PVP level V10-V1x

Players then could pick a campaign equal or above their level.

Zsymon

The only solution to your problem is to play, play and play some more. People got good after 1 year of PvP'ing, and you won't beat them as a PvP newbie no matter how hard you try, no matter what build you use. All you can do is practice hard.

Personally I have no desire to kill others, I have most fun as a healer.

Huggalump

moved this post to its own thread

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2117556#Comment_2117556

Strider_Roshin

It's very skill dependent and you have to be a quick thinker and remain calm in combat against other players. This is what helps me kill 3 people before going down as I'm fighting a zerg by myself. I'm personally very aggressive in combat, evasive, and in your face; which is why I picked the Nightblade, and I do extremely well. Btw I find the majority of Nightblade players easy to kill, they're actually the easiest in my opinion so don't say it's because of my class. If you like to be tanky and be in your opponent's face but your evasiveness is lacking then choose a dragonknight. If you're aggressive but you like to keep your distance then choose a magicka sorcerer. If you like to keep your distance, but you're not an aggressive player then choose a magicka templar.

If you want my opinion on which classes are easiest to successful with it's: 1) dragonknight 2) sorcerer 3) templar 4) Nightblade

Now obviously you can play any way you'd like with any class but I'm just giving you general builds.

Xael

OP what faction are you? I don't mind you running alongside me in cyro... I will try and help you with what I can. You will need ts/vent though. Pick the class you want to get better at and lets go from there.

Tannus15

BalticBlues wrote: »

Therefore, I would suggest having not two but three PVP campaigns:

1: non-veterans PVP level 1-49
2: Veteran PVP level V1-V9
3: Veteran PVP level V10-V1x

Players then could pick a campaign equal or above their level.

It's worth pointing out that only level cap people *really* care about their gear since everyting under that will get replaced. For instance I only craft green items for my characters <VR1 and blue for <VR14 and purple+ for my VR14.

wDzZ

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Leandor

Simple answer to the topic question: No. All of those with knowledge/experience advantage went through the same game and learned it. They even had less sources of information, since sites like deltia or tamriel foundry were not yet existing or did not yet have the wealth of information they have now. Try and fail until you try and succeed. Same as those that are on top nowadays.

kevlarto_ESO

Animation canceling, this is not in the tutorial and something that I believe you should start learning and doing day one with your toon, there are many videos on youtube that explain it, I would bet a lot of players level a toon and don't even know animation canceling exists.

eliisra

I would say no. There's a lot of similarities in how you play different classes and builds in this game. Like, if you know how to play a caster or a 2-Hander dps in ESO, you can do it fairly well on any class. The game just isn't that skill heavy, so you never have to re-learn completely.

Most builds have the same basic idea, since skill slots are limited. You have your main dps, DoT, AoE and defensive skills like self-heal, shield or some kind of escape. Focus on your main attribute, learn to use/time action abilities like block and dodge and you're pretty good to go. You dont need a guide

Reason it's hard for new players is the lack of information. We have all these restrictions, like avoiding hybrid builds, not shared in some tutorial. Same with PvP, many skills or armor sets look good on paper, but actually doesn't work in action v.s. other player.

Also sad fact that current meta often involves using a combination of things that allows you to do way more dmg than intended(some call it exploits) or gain more survivability than indented, makes it frustrating for new players.

Artheiron

just wait until everything gets a nerf. then learning light/heavy attacks won't be hard.

Vampire-Mk2

I think it's easy to learn. Tough to master. MMO's are designed to keep people playing for years so us as players having to invest that amount of time to learn it all is probably the intent.

VincentBlanquin

luckily for us newbies there is level increase on the horizon so at least gear gap will get smaller than it is. just farm mats, gold and be ready

i have issues with combat in this game too. i started as stamina dragonknight and try sword and board and archery (dont laugh please - already gave up this char as a whole). Now i am vr7 nightblade archery a please tell me how this combat works. when i have encounter 1vs1 i cant handle almost anything. opponent dancing around me and damaging me and i cant barely even targeting him with some ability. whats up? he has 3 hands? or he use tab targeting me and then just move like crazy and because i am autotargeting he only spam abilities? seems to me like that. i never play tab targeting mmo, i only play neverwinter and think i am solid, not a bad pvp pvper. there changes with tab targeting on preview i heard.... any advice for me?

Thecapeo

I'm a noob myself. Only started playing this game when it came out on PS4. I'm about to hit VR7 and only in the last week or so have I finally felt basically in control and been racking up the kills in small to one on one fights. I play a stam DK. For me the learning curve wasn't my own skills but finally recognizing other classes skills. I'd keep dying to the same abilities so I'd look up those abilities and see how people dealt with them and how they fit into a typical strategy. Once you understand what your opponent is trying to do you're much more likely to anticipate thier actions and be able to exploit one of the weaknesses that all classes/builds have. I found it took me much longer in this game than other MMOs because every class can wield every weapon and wear any armor so you don't get an instant visual clue as to what they're going to try to do like many other games until they use a class ability. Just stick with it. It gets really fun when things start to click.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

A lot of people, myself included, find the PvE part of the game enjoyable, although a bit too easy after you have played it for a while, but can't be bothered to keep up with the build of the month and learn the game mechanics well enough to be competitive in PvP. You will notice that the number of people playing PvP is quite small compared to the total number of players. PvE is for everyone and is a reasonably casual game. PvP is not for everyone, and requires quite a bit more time and effort to learn. People say it's worth the effort, but I wouldn't know, since I would never find the time even if I tried.

VincentBlanquin

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

luckily for us newbies there is level increase on the horizon so at least gear gap will get smaller than it is. just farm mats, gold and be ready

i have issues with combat in this game too. i started as stamina dragonknight and try sword and board and archery (dont laugh please - already gave up this char as a whole). Now i am vr7 nightblade archery a please tell me how this combat works. when i have encounter 1vs1 i cant handle almost anything. opponent dancing around me and damaging me and i cant barely even targeting him with some ability. whats up? he has 3 hands? or he use tab targeting me and then just move like crazy and because i am autotargeting he only spam abilities? seems to me like that. i never play tab targeting mmo, i only play neverwinter and think i am solid, not a bad pvp pvper. there changes with tab targeting on preview i heard.... any advice for me?

nobody can give me a hint?

Stalwart385

Remember that people you are fighting probably know your build better than you do. There are alot of counters and combos. Being good at pvp isnt just knowing your build but theres also. It will take time to master your build and more time to quickly figure out what others are doing that could counter you.

My advice to a new player. Look up a good sorc build and always have hardened ward up. They give you some of the best survivability and damage in pvp. Just watch out for cc's and be ready to break free. You can also escape easily if needed.

Most current nb pvp builds (and stam builds in general) are made for lots of dodge rolling and that was pretty heavily nerfed on pts. NB are some of the best in pvp but can quickly die with mistakes. They are a very offensive class. They dont have big shields or self heals. They rely on cloaking as their best defense. This would be the last class I would recommend starting off with solo. In protected groups they are very deadly. As they are solo in experienced hands.

DK's and Templars aren't bad choices since they have good heals for survivability, still not the easiest classes to win with though.

Basically the other classes can make alot of mistakes. The main mistake a sorc can make is not recasting hardened ward when its low and not having stamina to break free.

That should at least get you in the game to get a better idea of whats going on.

ToRelax

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

luckily for us newbies there is level increase on the horizon so at least gear gap will get smaller than it is. just farm mats, gold and be ready

i have issues with combat in this game too. i started as stamina dragonknight and try sword and board and archery (dont laugh please - already gave up this char as a whole). Now i am vr7 nightblade archery a please tell me how this combat works. when i have encounter 1vs1 i cant handle almost anything. opponent dancing around me and damaging me and i cant barely even targeting him with some ability. whats up? he has 3 hands? or he use tab targeting me and then just move like crazy and because i am autotargeting he only spam abilities? seems to me like that. i never play tab targeting mmo, i only play neverwinter and think i am solid, not a bad pvp pvper. there changes with tab targeting on preview i heard.... any advice for me?

Tab targeting will increase the radius in that you will hit the target when you aim at it and also allow to hit the target through other possible targets (though the latter doesn't work on PTS currently).
So no, that is not the reason. I certainly manage well enough to attack and move at the same time, keeping my target in sight with two hands. ^^
You are not playing in first person, are you?

VincentBlanquin

no, to be honest, i play at 3d with maximal viewing range (smallest character)

so if i understand i need to memorize my combos to be able move and attack at the same time with my left hand fingers.... ?

newtinmpls

From the "left hand fingers" comment I'm guessing you are on PC. And yes, that is a skill you will totally need (took me forever to begin to master it).

A lot of it is figuring out not only what you want to play (class/skills) but who you might want to play with. Most classes have skills which potentially are good for synergies - either with skills, or with the synergy option - or both. Play with people you can talk to (skype, teamspeak) and ask questions about what is working - and why.

The other day I had a really good experience in PvP; I'm fairly clueless, but we were on teamspeak and the leader was really awesome about telling us what to do - and why. That made me a better player.

VincentBlanquin

i already doing snipe-light atack combo and move left or right at the same time, so hope i am on the right way, thanks

Thecapeo

VincentBlanquin wrote: »

luckily for us newbies there is level increase on the horizon so at least gear gap will get smaller than it is. just farm mats, gold and be ready

i have issues with combat in this game too. i started as stamina dragonknight and try sword and board and archery (dont laugh please - already gave up this char as a whole). Now i am vr7 nightblade archery a please tell me how this combat works. when i have encounter 1vs1 i cant handle almost anything. opponent dancing around me and damaging me and i cant barely even targeting him with some ability. whats up? he has 3 hands? or he use tab targeting me and then just move like crazy and because i am autotargeting he only spam abilities? seems to me like that. i never play tab targeting mmo, i only play neverwinter and think i am solid, not a bad pvp pvper. there changes with tab targeting on preview i heard.... any advice for me?

I'm finding Stam DKs are very viable. At least at my current skill level anyway. I don't consider myself to be very good but I currently kill more than I die. Only issue is I have to rely on Wrecking Blow for burst as there is no decent stam morph that compares. You mention you're using Archery but what else? Bows are cool for opening up a long distance attack out of stealth to soften up a target or taking out people already fighting something else but in close quarters small fights burst damage doesn't seem to be there. And you say the opposing player is dancing around you so what are you using for CCs? Surprise Attack stuns for instance and you can get into stealth with cloak. You have fear too which can be powerful. And then when you get that CC you have to take advantage quickly. What are you using for burst damage?