Skill Reset with 2.1

Enodoc

ZOS are planning on giving everyone a free skill point reset when Patch 2.1 (Update 7/Imperial City) is released, as they usually do, since they are changing a bunch of skills. What I would like to suggest, however, is that instead of automatically refunding every skill point immediately on login like they did before, which often catches people off-guard and leaves them spending ages respeccing into exactly the same builds, that it be an optional reset, at the player's own convenience.

The easiest way to make this optional would be to give every character a free Respec Scroll via the in-game mail. That way, no skill points are forcibly reset, and players can decide for themselves whether they want to respec their skills or not.

Knootewoot

/agree

JasonSilverSpring

I agree. Without any convenient method to record your current build it is very hard to rebuild. I think the respec scroll is a good idea. Though I think a great long term resolution to all respecs would be to allow us to remove and reassign rather than wiping out our current assignments.

Enodoc

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

I agree. Without any convenient method to record your current build it is very hard to rebuild. I think the respec scroll is a good idea. Though I think a great long term resolution to all respecs would be to allow us to remove and reassign rather than wiping out our current assignments.

Yeah that may be a good idea, but it might also make respeccing trivial. It's supposed to be a gold sink, so if they changed the system so you could do it "per point", they would need to increase the cost to ensure it still feels like a major character decision.

teladoy

I believe they reset all skill points not for a reason of "hey new talents, here, skill points reset for free, you are my friend"

They do it for a technical reason, to avoid bugs, to avoid conflicts, etc.

So that's why "the need" of reset all before login in, not skill points should be set in any new skill, that was previously set in a old one, for a matter of conflict in serious cases, where the skill have been dramastically changed.

TequilaFire

Easy to record your build, just take screenshots of your skill pages before the update.

The Uninvited

Great idea! Hated the last time when I had to respec my characters for an hour or two.

@ZOS_RichLambert : Can we get a /lurk here?

F7sus4

Enodoc wrote: »

What I would like to suggest, however, is that instead of automatically refunding every skill point immediately on login like they did before, which often catches people off-guard and leaves them spending ages respeccing into exactly the same builds, that it be an optional reset, at the player's own convenience.

I play this game for too long not to know that this would cause a massive rage at the forums from people who "misclicked" and refused to respec just to notice that their Magicka build has a new Stamina morphs shortly afterwards that they "didn't notice" (e.g. Thundering Presence), thus shouting and demanding another respec. No. No. And no. Take your time, try how the new passives affect your character, then choose.

/dontlurk

Enodoc

teladoy wrote: »

I believe they reset all skill points not for a reason of "hey new talents, here, skill points reset for free, you are my friend"

They do it for a technical reason, to avoid bugs, to avoid conflicts, etc.

So that's why "the need" of reset all before login in, not skill points should be set in any new skill, that was previously set in a old one, for a matter of conflict in serious cases, where the skill have been dramastically changed.

That's possible, but considering each skill retains its rank, I don't see what technical issues could arise by allowing a character to keep it.

Say, for example, the change from Blinding Light to Radiant Destruction that occurred previously. I assume what they did was rewrite "Skill 2876" in the code from one to the other, not remove "Skill 2876" and add "Skill 4831", otherwise the progress would not have been transferred. It's the same as when they revamped provisioning; "Ingredient 34324" stayed as "Ingredient 34324" in your inventory, but turned from Honey Comb into Carrots.

TequilaFire wrote: »

Easy to record your build, just take screenshots of your skill pages before the update.

Yeah, but it's a waste of time and would easily be avoided by giving a free scroll instead of a forced reset.

JasonSilverSpring

Enodoc wrote: »

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

I agree. Without any convenient method to record your current build it is very hard to rebuild. I think the respec scroll is a good idea. Though I think a great long term resolution to all respecs would be to allow us to remove and reassign rather than wiping out our current assignments.

Yeah that may be a good idea, but it might also make respeccing trivial. It's supposed to be a gold sink, so if they changed the system so you could do it "per point", they would need to increase the cost to ensure it still feels like a major character decision.

I did not suggest changing the gold or crown cost. I am OK with that but still let us remove and add instead of starting from scratch.

Enodoc

F7sus4 wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

What I would like to suggest, however, is that instead of automatically refunding every skill point immediately on login like they did before, which often catches people off-guard and leaves them spending ages respeccing into exactly the same builds, that it be an optional reset, at the player's own convenience.

I play this game for too long not to know that this would cause a massive rage at the forums from people who "misclicked" and refused to respec just to notice that their Magicka build has a new Stamina morphs shortly afterwards that they "didn't notice" (e.g. Thundering Presence), thus shouting and demanding another respec. No. No. And no. Take your time, try how the new passives affect your character, then choose.

/dontlurk

I don't understand. What do you mean by "misclicked and refused to respec"? And how would you try the new passives and then choose if you'd already had everything reset?

JasonSilverSpring

TequilaFire wrote: »

Easy to record your build, just take screenshots of your skill pages before the update.

I did this last time since I followed forums and knew it was coming. What about those that do not? Also it took a ridiculous number of screen shots to capture actives and passives.

A respec scroll would give them warning and time to capture current build.

Enodoc

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

I agree. Without any convenient method to record your current build it is very hard to rebuild. I think the respec scroll is a good idea. Though I think a great long term resolution to all respecs would be to allow us to remove and reassign rather than wiping out our current assignments.

Yeah that may be a good idea, but it might also make respeccing trivial. It's supposed to be a gold sink, so if they changed the system so you could do it "per point", they would need to increase the cost to ensure it still feels like a major character decision.

I did not suggest changing the gold or crown cost. I am OK with that but still let us remove and add instead of starting from scratch.

Oh right, so you'd need to pay the "full" price of 50 gold per point, even if you didn't use it all? Yeah, that would work.

JasonSilverSpring wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Easy to record your build, just take screenshots of your skill pages before the update.

I did this last time since I followed forums and knew it was coming. What about those that do not? Also it took a ridiculous number of screen shots to capture actives and passives.

A respec scroll would give them warning and time to capture current build.

Yeah, that's the issue here. It coming as a surprise and people not knowing to screenshot their build beforehand.

Elsir

I agree with the base of the idea but instead of scroll in the mail, I think a simple UI type of system would be sufficient. Tucked away after first initial "You have a respec available after this patch" on first login of course so it doesn't come up every time.

The reason I say that instead of a scroll in the mail is because either you get that scroll and only 1 character can use it per account, or every character on your account gets a scroll in the mail, which they don't accept, and suddenly you can have 1 main and 7 mules at level 3 with all 8 free respec items going to the main. A UI function in this regard would moderate the use of per-character respeccing.

RooBeeO

What an awesome idea having a respec scroll. Also all my hirerlings won't of reset thier timers.

The Uninvited

PaulScelus wrote: »

The reason I say that instead of a scroll in the mail is because either you get that scroll and only 1 character can use it per account, or every character on your account gets a scroll in the mail, which they don't accept, and suddenly you can have 1 main and 7 mules at level 3 with all 8 free respec items going to the main. A UI function in this regard would moderate the use of per-character respeccing.

That would indeed be the problem of doing this with scrolls. I still like the idea, but a UI function would be better.

Merlin13KAGL

Why don't they just do it like they do CP repspecs now?

+/- pull points out of where you don't want them and relocate them where you do?

AlnilamE

TequilaFire wrote: »

Easy to record your build, just take screenshots of your skill pages before the update.

That is a lot of screenshots, though.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Why don't they just do it like they do CP repspecs now?

+/- pull points out of where you don't want them and relocate them where you do?

I was just saying this to my guildies last night. Charge the full price, like CC, but let us just +/- the changes.

Merlin13KAGL

AlnilamE wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Easy to record your build, just take screenshots of your skill pages before the update.

That is a lot of screenshots, though.

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Why don't they just do it like they do CP repspecs now?

+/- pull points out of where you don't want them and relocate them where you do?

I was just saying this to my guildies last night. Charge the full price, like CC, but let us just +/- the changes.

*Has flashbacks of 1.6 and whether or not Skyhards would be credited, gear would still exist in the bank, etc, records of achievements...

x8 characters...*

*Weeps in corner*

Gidorick

The auto-reset always annoys me. Having a scroll would be very helpful and a welcomed change.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

They should at least have the option for a full skill reset or a skill morps only reset, just like at the shrines.

Sleep

i don't want to spend an hour picking up skills

TequilaFire

Even with a scroll per character you would still have to remember what you had before scroll reset.
Been through this several times since PC beta so I can reset by knowing my character skills.
Pencil and paper? lmao

UrQuan

TequilaFire wrote: »

Easy to record your build, just take screenshots of your skill pages before the update.

It would be easy if you could see where all of your skill points were on one screen. Because of how the skills screen is laid out (including usually having to use scroll bars to see everywhere you may have put skill points in a skill line) in order to actually do this you'd have to take up to 41 screenshots per character. Boy oh boy, is that ever easy! Especially for those of us with 16 characters!

Enodoc

TequilaFire wrote: »

Even with a scroll per character you would still have to remember what you had before scroll reset.

True, but in that instance you at least know when the skills will reset (because you'd be doing it yourself), and you'd only reset if you actually wanted to.

Sallington

/signed

Reassigning skill points becomes annoying when you have 230+ of them.

The Uninvited

Enodoc wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Even with a scroll per character you would still have to remember what you had before scroll reset.

True, but in that instance you at least know when the skills will reset (because you'd be doing it yourself), and you'd only reset if you actually wanted to.

Exactly. I looked at Deltia's DK tank build and apparently I will be using the same skills as I'm using now on my tank. Same goes for my DK dps and NB (checked the changes and don't even need to change morphs).

So I'm stuck with the task of respeccing skills on 3 main characters that don't even need a respec...

Champion Points is a different story, I would reassign them but that's a lot less work.

Victus

I'd support scrolls if they were character bound, and therefore not transferable to someone's main or alt for storage.

nine9six

Not a bad idea.

I record all of my builds, so they're not TOO much of a PITA to rebuild. It's not a perfect system, mind you, but it's better than going blind and taking 30 minutes.

SLy_Kyti

Thanks to Nestor ( yet again) for a great heads up post.

My suggestion is that the first two weeks of patch, respec is free. After that, everyone gets a respec scroll in mail, for those that missed it. My thinking is, while it may seem overly generous to have two weeks, things have changed enough that tweaking a build will be needed for those of us that are serious and passionate about our ESO.

Also a heads up that racials are changed or reverted. And Campaigns are being reset. Giving everyone a freebie for Home and Faction.

SLy_Kyti

nine9six wrote: »

Not a bad idea.

I record all of my builds, so they're not TOO much of a PITA to rebuild. It's not a perfect system, mind you, but it's better than going blind and taking 30 minutes.

I screenshot my build, my armors, my dyes and....especially after the last fiasco.... My bank, my achievements and my keybinds.

Also, though out of date> get the add-on Binder for your keybinds. Hopefully they won't accidentally reset those gameplay settings but well...it happened twice before!