GDB nerf or is it a bug?

aco5712

Only heals 16% of missing health because of the generalized healing nerf..... Hoping this is a bug....

If its not and its working as intended... Any suggestions on how to survive as DK?

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO

aco5712 wrote: »

Only heals 16% of missing health because of the generalized healing nerf..... Hoping this is a bug....

If its not and its working as intended... Any suggestions on how to survive as DK?

I'm not sure for Magika builds, probably Healing Ward would be better than GDB. On my stam DK I've had good success with Igenous Shield and Vigor and I can still roll dodge a few times in a row without completely gimping myself. Ferocious Leap whenever I can helps too, for damage shield and battle roar.

I'm betting GDB is working as intended, though.

Springt-Über-Zwerge

aco5712 wrote: »

Only heals 16% of missing health because of the generalized healing nerf..... Hoping this is a bug....

If its not and its working as intended... Any suggestions on how to survive as DK?

Well all heals were cut in half so its the same for all classes. I don't think DKs will have a bigger problem than other classes

kkampaseb17_ESO

Same as Blood Magic that is supposed to heal you for 8% of your total health. It is only 4% so I guess it is intended.

Armitas

It just gets better and better. Sad thing is nothing we say here matters in time, this train is going full speed ahead to release, if anything we say makes a difference it will be for the next update not this one. This is the just the last leg of the course.

Would be great if we had a pts in the malleable stage of development rather than the "it's too late to stop" phase.

aco5712

Any % max health heals should be immune to the 50% cut otherwise they should actually change the tooltips or do something.

Armitas

self moderated.

The Uninvited

Was this only in PVP? Or PVE also?

Armitas

The Uninvited wrote: »

Was this only in PVP? Or PVE also?

PvP, they are sticking -50% stickers on just about everything in cyrodiil.

vortexman11

Like I said a few weeks ago. The reduced health we all have in Cyrodiil was already a nerf to the "OP" DragonBlood/GreenDragonBlood/CoagulatingBlood, now that heals are debuffed even more this skill is absolutely terrible. I personally use it (the Coagulating Morph) just to buff the effectiveness of other heals such as healing ward and degeneration.

Ishammael

Yes, the 50% heal de buff is applying to Dragon Blood and its morphs. This skill is now lol-worthy.

ThyIronFist

The skill is almost useless now as rally and vigor with igneous shield pretty much out heal it.

I'm thinking of just dropping the skill as I can get my 20% stamina regen just from using a potion. If it's intended then it's yet again another DK skill that has been nerfed into the ground.

Ishammael

For magicka DK, can use blessing of restoration with igneous and/or healing ward. (Necessitating resto staff)

For stam DK, igneous plus vigor is still strong.

Also, "+17% healing received" by ensuring that a draconic power skill is active will help (e.g. Volatile armor)

Bashev

The skill is a little bit useless now as a heal. It is nice as a buff. Before when you are in an execute range you can use it and heal over that range. Now you cannot. You stay at execute range or on the border.

actosh

If u want to stick with GDb, u have to put cp into the one that increases your healing done(blue tree), the one that increases Healin received, Choose Ritual Mundus Stone, and maybe get some Healin received + dk passive. Then it is pretty strong again ....or use Vigor ^^

Erock25

I'm seeing quite a few very tanky DK in IC using this still.

Bashev

Erock25 wrote: »

I'm seeing quite a few very tanky DK in IC using this still.

They use it for heal or for buff? Cause when I try to heal myself it really sucks compared to live. It can be useful for a health recovery build probably. 3k health recovery build wont be bad at all with all damage reductions.

Saturn

aco5712 wrote: »

Only heals 16% of missing health because of the generalized healing nerf..... Hoping this is a bug....

If its not and its working as intended... Any suggestions on how to survive as DK?

The skill is essentially a fixed a heal, but is broken down as a normal heal. Same thing with Killer's Blade (Nightblade execute) or the Clannfear selfheal (Sorcerer ability). They are affected by x% increased healing taken and champion point passives like Blessed (increased healing given) and Quick Recovery (increased healing taken).
Outside of Cyrodiil on both PTS and Live, my Dragon Blood heals me for 70% of missing health, when I buff with Igneous shield before using because I have: 100 points in Blessed (25% increased healing done by me), 10 points in Quick Recovery (4% increased healing taken), 5 pieces of heavy armour = 5% increased healing taken from Rapid Mending (heavy armour passive), 30% increased healing taken from Igneous Shield buff and 8% increased healing taken from 5 pieces of Yokeda gear (either normal version or Eternal).

TL:DR: It is a normal heal that is effected by reduced healing, but also increased healing.

On the PTS with Igneous Shield going before a Dragon Blood heal it will give me 40% of missing health.

aco5712

Saturn wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

Only heals 16% of missing health because of the generalized healing nerf..... Hoping this is a bug....

If its not and its working as intended... Any suggestions on how to survive as DK?

The skill is essentially a fixed a heal, but is broken down as a normal heal. Same thing with Killer's Blade (Nightblade execute) or the Clannfear selfheal (Sorcerer ability). They are affected by x% increased healing taken and champion point passives like Blessed (increased healing given) and Quick Recovery (increased healing taken).
Outside of Cyrodiil on both PTS and Live, my Dragon Blood heals me for 70% of missing health, when I buff with Igneous shield before using because I have: 100 points in Blessed (25% increased healing done by me), 10 points in Quick Recovery (4% increased healing taken), 5 pieces of heavy armour = 5% increased healing taken from Rapid Mending (heavy armour passive), 30% increased healing taken from Igneous Shield buff and 8% increased healing taken from 5 pieces of Yokeda gear (either normal version or Eternal).

TL:DR: It is a normal heal that is effected by reduced healing, but also increased healing.

On the PTS with Igneous Shield going before a Dragon Blood heal it will give me 40% of missing health.

40%.... I don't have a 100 champ points to throw into blessed because I need my 100 champ points to go into elemental expert so I can actually do some type of reasonable damage. I have had to put so many debuffs n my bars now to combat this damage nerf but in order for the only heal to work I need to lose all that damage again.... GG ZOS

earth_angel

As a said above all healing has been nerfed. i don't think dragonblood should be exempt to it. It would be OP. just for comparison It now takes 4-5 spams of BoL of a templar healer to bring back someone from the verge of death. That's intended because they don't want anyone to be able to overheal damage.

Now the real question is : did they overdo it with the battle spirit nerfs ?

Baragorath

This game is worst for DK with every patch and shortly will start looking to change game.

We loosing slots to have it combine with other skill as alone is useless.

So if we miss 20k health it will return as 3.3k health?

1 magicka resource point is equal to 1 health resource point with this skill - great.......

So what sorceror lost with this patch???????

If they not make shield critable DK will be solo free frag as nearly is nowadays against exploited sorcs with 3rd bar on.

Some will say you have wings - yeah great 4 projectiles to reflect and my reply is yes sorc put wards on and what i reflect wards negate plus additional he have free huge heal - great balance

Pre update 6 was joking what knight I am that I am forced to go with sticks.

Now question is:

What kind of knight I am that will not be able to stand still as sorceror will eat me in few seconds???????

GDB was great skill but actually price of it is doubled to have not same benefits as it is on live.

Reduce cost of this skill by half pls as its our only one good healing skill and we have no chance to leave battlefield.....

actosh

Well ill had fun as Stam Dk on Pts yesterday.
Had same setup on my temp and nb. Gues who done better ^^.

Dks will be more challanging with the new patch.
Just remember that every heal, no matter what, will be halfed.
Counts for all classes and u can offset some things with the cp or sadly, roll another class

Baragorath

actosh wrote: »

Well ill had fun as Stam Dk on Pts yesterday.
Had same setup on my temp and nb. Gues who done better ^^.

Dks will be more challanging with the new patch.
Just remember that every heal, no matter what, will be halfed.
Counts for all classes and u can offset some things with the cp or sadly, roll another class

Rolling is not an option as this game change with every patch.

Problem is Zenimax has no professional game testers which would check all bugs and exploits and put balance to the game.

They fully trust community and thats a problem.

Example - when they revealed that shield soon will start receiving critical hits all those guys which were exploiting start showing sorceror bugs and how to fix shields without improving them how ZOS announced and suggested.

This game needs professional game testers or this ship called ESO will sink.

actosh

Same as in most other games. Exploits dont get reported. They use them until they get bored and start crying if they dont use it anymore but others do.

Ive been Dk since Launch where dk was ok but all other classes were totally *** made by zos.
Theyve improved the classes and i'm ok with it.

You are right, rerollin is not an option but it happenz from patch to patch.
last major patch we had a lot of new templers. This time u see a lot of nb's ^^.

aco5712

actosh wrote: »

Same as in most other games. Exploits dont get reported. They use them until they get bored and start crying if they dont use it anymore but others do.

Ive been Dk since Launch where dk was ok but all other classes were totally *** made by zos.
Theyve improved the classes and i'm ok with it.

You are right, rerollin is not an option but it happenz from patch to patch.
last major patch we had a lot of new templers. This time u see a lot of nb's ^^.

hence why i made all 4 classes. Its never fun when your class is lacking something major. time to templar it up

Baragorath

actosh wrote: »

Same as in most other games. Exploits dont get reported. They use them until they get bored and start crying if they dont use it anymore but others do.

Ive been Dk since Launch where dk was ok but all other classes were totally *** made by zos.
Theyve improved the classes and i'm ok with it.

You are right, rerollin is not an option but it happenz from patch to patch.
last major patch we had a lot of new templers. This time u see a lot of nb's ^^.

This game is nearly 1.5 years old and still no balance with classes achieved??????

Soon I believe we will hear about new top key personnel leaving this game stating that game is better then was.......

The Uninvited

Armitas wrote: »

The Uninvited wrote: »

Was this only in PVP? Or PVE also?

PvP, they are sticking -50% stickers on just about everything in cyrodiil.

Okay, thanks. I was just asking because I use it on my PVE tank build.

Zsymon

Baragorath wrote: »

This game is nearly 1.5 years old and still no balance with classes achieved??????

No MMO has ever achieved balance between classes, the entire pursuit is futile and shouldn't even be undertaken. Different classes should be good at different things, they should NOT be balanced across the board, because then what is the point of having multiple classes, just different visuals?

Baragorath

Zsymon wrote: »

Baragorath wrote: »

This game is nearly 1.5 years old and still no balance with classes achieved??????

No MMO has ever achieved balance between classes, the entire pursuit is futile and shouldn't even be undertaken. Different classes should be good at different things, they should NOT be balanced across the board, because then what is the point of having multiple classes, just different visuals?

I play mmo's since 2002 and such buggy and exploited game as ESO have not seen.

In which game glass canon class is tank, dps and self healing class?

U call such game balanced? Why then with each update peoples rolling new OP class with race?

Last year was DK dunmer and what is he worth on pvp nowadays?

Coming time for DK Nord with health regen sets which will give more then GDB?

How about those peoples which were doing pve side with every quest, read every book to realize that when they reach vet16 will discover that class/race which was good half year ago is now a mistake?

How about game masters which had to be online and looking for cheaters and exploiters in Cyrodill?

That is why this game need professional game testers.